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creativesoul Joined Mon 04/16/07 Posts: 8184	Fri 02/10/12 09:39 PM Topic: No doesn't matter -- Law of attraction I'm puzzled... You said this... QUOTE: 1.Think about what you want, not what you don't want. 2.Think about what you have, not what you don't have. And this... QUOTE: 3.If you don't want what you have, take your attention off of it and put your attention on what you do want. 4.If you want what you don't have intend to get it. Put your attention on it. Take steps to acquire it. So, if you don't want what you have, then nevermind 2. and follow 1. If you don't have what you want, then nevermind 2. and follow 1. -- Seems like 2. is kinda useless, unless one is content with what they have. Edited by creativesoul on Fri 02/10/12 09:51 PM

creativesoul Joined Mon 04/16/07 Posts: 8184	Fri 02/10/12 09:24 PM Topic: Draw a quick self portrait. No interest.

creativesoul Joined Mon 04/16/07 Posts: 8184	Thu 02/09/12 07:37 PM Topic: Draw a quick self portrait. Nope. Never have. Never will. Really, no kidding.

creativesoul Joined Mon 04/16/07 Posts: 8184	Wed 02/08/12 09:36 PM Topic: Draw a quick self portrait. Very talented folks... Nice.

creativesoul Joined Mon 04/16/07 Posts: 8184	Wed 02/08/12 09:23 PM Topic: No doesn't matter -- Law of attraction What if you don't want what you have, or if you want what you don't have? Hi JB.

creativesoul Joined Mon 04/16/07 Posts: 8184	Wed 02/01/12 09:20 PM Topic: Theory of everything? Or nothing? See what philosophy does to some people?

creativesoul Joined Mon 04/16/07 Posts: 8184	Sat 01/21/12 10:55 PM Topic: RF disorder - should it be studied? I agree with the possibility of harmful effects upon civil liberties and/or society at large. History and knowledge confirm that this is the case many times over. I'm not too sure of the psychological link, although I do not think that there can be any doubt regarding the negative effects of teching children at an early age to think illogically. Have you ever read Bertrand Russell's book "Why I'm Not a Christian"? If not, I strongly suggest that you do. His description(s) of religious faith offer(s) your position very strong philosophical ground. If you'd like, I'm almost certain that I still have a copy on hand and could put forth a few examples after a moment or two of brisking through the book. Although, it'll probably be tomorrow morning, my time. Just say the word, and I'd be happy to oblige.

creativesoul Joined Mon 04/16/07 Posts: 8184	Fri 01/20/12 09:48 PM Topic: RF disorder - should it be studied? I rest my case.

creativesoul Joined Mon 04/16/07 Posts: 8184	Fri 01/20/12 09:31 PM Topic: RF disorder - should it be studied? As I've already said spider, everyone is not moved equally by equal evidence. Thus, just because the evidence supports one position or the other, it does not mean that "people will move to your side of the aisle." You're the one who is affirming the consequent. The continued existence of religious fundamental extremists who deny scientific evidence simply because is conflicts with the Bible clearly show that your claim is false. Edited by creativesoul on Fri 01/20/12 09:35 PM

creativesoul Joined Mon 04/16/07 Posts: 8184	Fri 01/20/12 08:51 PM Topic: RF disorder - should it be studied? I would think that by and in large JB, you have a relatively good grasp of the way things are.

creativesoul Joined Mon 04/16/07 Posts: 8184	Fri 01/20/12 08:48 PM Topic: RF disorder - should it be studied? Have faith in what... truth?

creativesoul Joined Mon 04/16/07 Posts: 8184	Fri 01/20/12 08:42 PM Topic: RF disorder - should it be studied? QUOTE: Creative said this: QUOTE: Having faith is completely trusting in the truthfulness of a source. It is having no doubt that the source is truthful. Really? I don't think faith is simply a matter of trust in the truthfulness of a source. I have perfect faith in what is, but not much faith in any particular individual source. Not in the your own ability to understand the way things are?

creativesoul Joined Mon 04/16/07 Posts: 8184	Fri 01/20/12 08:41 PM Topic: RF disorder - should it be studied? QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: The "substance" of you post is entirely dependant on your gratuitous assertion.... Which is??? As it pertains to Christians, the assertion that Christians use "faith-based thinking" rather than traditional reasoning. I never asserted that. Sorry. Oh geeze. Okay. I guess you changed your mind between making this post and the one right before it. Show me.

creativesoul Joined Mon 04/16/07 Posts: 8184	Fri 01/20/12 08:36 PM Topic: RF disorder - should it be studied? QUOTE: QUOTE: That is NOT an example of begging the question. Absolutely it is! I stated that people will gravitate to the side with the best reasoning and he said (essentially) that "No they won't agree with the non-faith side, because they are brain washed." In other words, if they go to the non-faith side, it's because they are thinking and if they don't go to the non-faith side, it's because they are brain washed. Either way, his assumption is that the non-faith side is right. This is begging the question. That is not begging the question spider. If it were, stating anything at all during a debate would be begging the question, assuming honest testimony. We all think that our beliefs are true and when they conflict with anothers, as in if one is the negation of the other, then we all think that the others' is wrong. I suggest you brush up a little on your knowledge of fallacy.

creativesoul Joined Mon 04/16/07 Posts: 8184	Fri 01/20/12 08:09 PM Topic: RF disorder - should it be studied? QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: The "substance" of you post is entirely dependant on your gratuitous assertion.... Which is??? As it pertains to Christians, the assertion that Christians use "faith-based thinking" rather than traditional reasoning. I never asserted that. Sorry.

creativesoul Joined Mon 04/16/07 Posts: 8184	Fri 01/20/12 08:06 PM Topic: RF disorder - should it be studied? Spider, Offering examples of members of faith who have turned to evidence and reason to establish their beliefs when those beliefs conflict with the book does not deny the effects/affects of faith-based thinking. Those are exceptions. Those are not the kind of people in question. I've never claimed that all people of faith have unshakable conviction. A careful reader will note that. The existence of some people of faith who have chosen to side with more scientific evidence is progress well made, however it does not deny the continued existence of the extremists who hold to what the Bible says in spite of evidence.

creativesoul Joined Mon 04/16/07 Posts: 8184	Fri 01/20/12 07:55 PM Topic: RF disorder - should it be studied? QUOTE: The "substance" of you post is entirely dependant on your gratuitous assertion.... Which is???

creativesoul Joined Mon 04/16/07 Posts: 8184	Fri 01/20/12 07:47 PM Topic: RF disorder - should it be studied? QUOTE: You made a claim, you were challenged on that claim by Peter_Pan69, but now you claim that "I have no need to show evidence for that claim". If you won't back up the claim, then it's a gratuitous assertion and can be refuted by simply saying "Nuh uh!" (blowing a raspberry is entirely optional at this point). Ok then spider. So, I retract the claim and subsequently concede that the God of Abraham does not determine what is right/wrong for people. Nevermind the Ten Commandments, nevermind the Golden Rule, never mind the Garden of Eden and much of the Old Testament Happy now... you win! Nevermind the book that the religion is based upon. Jeeez!

creativesoul Joined Mon 04/16/07 Posts: 8184	Fri 01/20/12 07:39 PM Topic: RF disorder - should it be studied? The substance of my post is being entirely ignored in lieu of focusing upon an irrelevant and ridiculous point. And this comment... -- "So you get to assert the religious person's knowledge of the Bible and how it's applied?" -- ...is indicative of a breach between thought/belief and fact/reality. I mean, I have no idea what you're even talking about here. I've not asserted the religious person's knowledge of the Bible, nor how it's applied. I merely pointed out a contradiction which, really, is irrelevant to the topic but true none-the-less.

creativesoul Joined Mon 04/16/07 Posts: 8184	Fri 01/20/12 07:24 PM Topic: RF disorder - should it be studied? Awwwww... here we go again with the presupposition that one is somehow privy to the mental/physical activities of another, as if you know that I've never read the Bible. Let's take a slightly different tack. I have no need to show evidence for that claim. Rather, I scoff at the request and choose to keep the thread on topic. I'm really not interested.

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