Um excuse me?? The Salem Witch Trials had nothing to do with Paganism or a Goddess/Earth based religion and a lot of Christian resentment of that belief structure which was its predecessor? Just how in denial are you? That’s laughable.

As far as how these earth based religions were handed down from generation to generation and from people to people is not totally known. It wasn't by the use of force as was often the case with Christianity if that is what you are getting at. Many scholars and archeologists as well as physical and cultural anthropologists tend to lean towards visualization. Peoples simply practiced and had faith in what they stood on, the Earth. They also tended to associate the cycles of the Earth with the female as a life bringer and nurturer. There was a definite correlation there and still is. That was part of the reason why Christianity was met with a bit of puzzlement to these early civilizations. A male god that rides solo up in the clouds? He gives birth? No he doesn’t give birth really but he does ask for payment when the females continue to perform this oldest of tasks on Earth as they have been since the beginning of humans. Hmmm. Confusing.

12 people being tortured, oh, how these early story tellers suffered, please, try all of the Pagans who were tortured, mutilated, raped over the centuries. Horrible.

I am curious. Has anyone here had any contact with women from China looking for a relationship?

I received a message from one on this site yesterday. I messaged her back and we talked quiite a bit via "chat". How does one know if they are scammers? She's very close in age to me and seemingly very sincere. Still, I'm a bit suspicious about a woman from overseas seeking relationship with a man in the United States.

I remember as a kid turning the hose on just to watch the rainbow, and my mom yelled at me to not waste water... and we had well water.

And the Pagans, whose beliefs predated the Christians by thousands of years? How do you explain them exactly? They were tortured beyond description. Do I really need to start bringing all those examples up? I will if need be and it wont be pretty. I won’t go in chronological order either and start with the Salem Witch Trials if you like.

The same way we have explained most all of these discrepancies and contradictions. Its a made up story story written by a man.

how do you get this:

Angels struggle with demons. The demons are led by Satan, while the angel's actions are directed by prayers. Those prayers which God deems to answer are answered by angels. This is why Christians believe in praying for spiritual warfare. The more prayers for a worthy cause, the more angels who will be assigned that task. Satan will assign demons to oppose angels. Thus warfare. But God isn't directly involved. God's power makes it impossible for God to have a rival or enemy or to fail at any goal which God focuses his will upon.


out of whats stated in Ephesians? - 1 verse turns into a paragraph? explain it biblically - not "extra" biblically, spider - show me in scripture where your paragraph states what you have written please.

Then said he unto me, Fear not, Daniel: for from the first day that thou didst set thine heart to understand, and to chasten thyself before thy God, thy words were heard, and I am come for thy words. Then said he unto me, Fear not, Daniel: for from the first day that thou didst set thine heart to understand, and to chasten thyself before thy God, thy words were heard, and I am come for thy words. But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.

Then said he, Knowest thou wherefore I come unto thee? and now will I return to fight with the prince of Persia: and when I am gone forth, lo, the prince of Gre'cia shall come.

I’m also not so sure about your tomb theories. Even if they did go back to the correct burial area. You claim Romans were guarding it? Would it not have been possible that the Romans took it upon themselves to get rid of his body? It could have been dumped in a trash heap, torn to pieces, moved. Any number of things might have happened to it. Are there any witnesses that he went anywhere mystical or spooky? Or just the accounts of those that couldn’t find it later on? None of this would hold up to the cross examination of even a first year public defender in a court of law.

Abra had a good point that more than likely, that story about him resurrecting himself from the grave was written a long time after the actual event of his death. Unless you are still arguing this was written by god? The tone of the scripture sure changes a lot to be written by one pen.


The issue of him rising is not a contradiction per se. Its just easily questioned, much like the virgin birth and any number of other lofy claims espoused by the bible. I found another contradiction so are we done with these? Let me know. Thank you.

well a pulitzer prize winning auther is a verry good source in my book. Isuppose some people would need a signed confession from these criminals and I dont expect that to be forthcomeing either

the accusations are made by a pullitzer prise winning auther/writer examin his interview the U tube is posted. If he was lieing its slander and knowing ****y Cheneye he would sue him for slander
Its a true story face it man

spider im seeing when looking that "pricipalities and powers are angels - if this is incorrect then what are they?

Doesn't wash because of all the sacrificial lambs of the old testament. Clearly the sinners weren't being punished. The lambs would be taking their punishment for them. But that is totally nonsensical to me.

And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.

I’m not totally buying all this "rising from the dead" so quickly. They placed him in a cave correct? Amongst how many caves exactly? They were mourning, presumably indulging in spirits all night, paranoid about the Romans and what they were going to do at that point.

Is it possible, just throwing this out there, that they went back to the wrong burial site?

Strawman fallacy?

You've already stated that people must believe that Jesus Christ is God.

That idea only comes from the Bible.

Face it Spider, you're a Paper Pope of Christianity in denial.

only in the doctrines of the Christian Holy Bible?