The real problem, on my view at least, is the overwhelmingly popular idea that it is ok for those with power over the people to be allowed to and/or get away with spreading lies, and/or saying things that quite simply are not true.

Well,why don't you get some People together in the Canadian Wilderness,and build your Utopia then?
What you are scared of?

Yup... some folk don't want(or don't know how) to do the work it takes to find out the way things are, what is the case, etc...

Easier to find another 'expert' opinion which agrees with our own.

I get the news from the Internet a day or two before I see it on televisions usually.

It's a drawback of freedom of speech, a ncessary evil as it were. Problem is that other dumbarses will believe it. There are a lot of those.

Entire thread, save a few points, looks like unjustifiable spewing of ignorance based opinion.

not gonna hold my Breath,though!

don't forget the Soma and Soylent Green!

We been thinking of relocating the BIS to Ottawa!

So,you really think that Referendum has a Snowball's chance in Hell?

Got a Bridge in Venice I can let you have cheap!

Your remarks just show me how little you really know about the inner workings of the Swiss Federation!

It's nothing more than stirring the Poop what you are doing!

No working System in your Corner!

All Talk!

None of your Utopian Schemes have ever worked!
BTW,that Bridge is a Masonry Bridge!

And how will they ensure that the People don't vote for the measure?

More intricate Knowledge of our political System?

yep,a National Referendum,called by the same People you want to impeach!
That will work!
Besides,there is nothing wrong with the US Constitution!
It's the People who violate it!

Everything has a price in a capitalist society, even freedom.

The problem stems from millionaire legislators imposing laws, regulations, and taxes on a population with no concept of the impact to it.

Think about it. The majority of the career politicians now in service (isn't that a joke) in congress are former lawyers, CEOs, Harvard or Columbia grads that have never "worked" or missed a meal in their lives.

What do you expect from them but misrepresentation, excuses, lies, finger pointing, or control?

The buck stops here.....not at the top!

Simple (not really so simple but limited in scope) impeachment would do nothing but put still another finger in a breaking dyke, and cost taxpayers millions more we don't have.

The imposition would tell the tale. It would depend on how far measures were taken or ruled on as to how it would be applied.

Like Nixon, he could resign keeping all his presidential bennies, avoiding a possible trial, investigation (which could still be done), and possible criminal charges (but that would take an act or ruling of congress to impose any judgement), or like Clinton and simply have some powers reined in, but still hold his office.

It does need to be done tho and would start the ball rolling. As low as his credibility/favorability is at present it would go a long way at waking people up and getting their attention to his deeds for once.

Biden, as VP and the heir to the throne, pretty much insures he won't be removed.... NOBODY wants that idiot at the wheel, not even the Dems!

Charges brought against the entire admin would be the only good action, but, Obozo and Biden, by the privileges of their office, would be brought down, but untouchable. Unless treason could be proven beyond the shadow of a doubt, that will never happen tho because of all the dirty laundry in the whole of the capital hill cesspool.

Who gonna pay for it,Sunshine?

I wonder why they always forget that the Trial in the Senate determines whether POTUS will be removed from Office or not!

Okay, thanks. If I tell them I am proud to serve on the jury (for free,) they will probably not put me on it.

Now would you please tell me why you would charge to give out your name but you would not charge to serve on a jury? How do you decide what you might charge a fee for?

Money is a great power,because, in a free or even a semi-free society, it is a frozen form of productive energy. And, therefore, the spending of money is a grave responsibility. Contrary to the altruists and the advocates of the so-called academic freedom, it is a moral crime to give money to support ideas with which you disagree; it means: ideas which you consider wrong, false, evil. It is a moral crime to give money to support your own destroyers.

The Voice of Reason

The Sanction of the Victims,

Most people lump together into the same category all men who become rich, refusing to consider the essential question: the source of the riches, the means by which the wealth was acquired.

Money is a tool of exchange; it represents wealth only so long as it can be traded for material goods and services. Wealth does not grow in nature; it has to be produced by men. Nature gives us only the raw materials, but it is man's mind that has to discover the knowledge of how to use them. It is man's thinking and labor that transform the materials into food, clothing, shelter or television sets into all the goods that men require for their survival, comfort and pleasure.

Behind every step of humanity's long climb from the cave to New York City, there is the man who took that step for the first time the man who discovered how to make a fire or a wheel or an airplane or an electric light.

When people refuse to consider the source of wealth, what they refuse to recognize is the fact that wealth is the product of man's intellect, of his creative ability, fully as much as is art, science, philosophy or any other human value.

The Objectivist Forum

The Money-Making Personality


So long as men live together on earth and need means to deal with one another,their only substitute, if they abandon money, is the muzzle of a gun.

For the New Intellectual

The Meaning of Money


Money rests on the axiom that every man is the owner of his mind and his effort. Money allows no power to prescribe the value of your effort except the voluntary choice of the man who is willing to trade you his effort in return. Money permits you to obtain for your goods and your labor that which they are worth to the men who buy them, but no more. Money permits no deals except those to mutual benefit by the unforced judgment of the traders.

For the New Intellectual

The Meaning of Money


So you think that money is the root of all evil? . . . Have you ever asked what is the root of money? Money is a tool of exchange, which can't exist unless there are goods produced and men able to produce them. Money is the material shape of the principle that men who wish to deal with one another must deal by trade and give value for value. Money is not the tool of the moochers, who claim your product by tears, or of the looters, who take it from you by force. Money is made possible only by the men who produce. Is this what you consider evil?

When you accept money in payment for your effort, you do so only on the conviction that you will exchange it for the product of the effort of others. It is not the moochers or the looters who give value to money. Not an ocean of tears nor all the guns in the world can transform those pieces of paper in your wallet into the bread you will need to survive tomorrow. Those pieces of paper, which should have been gold, are a token of honor,your claim upon the energy of the men who produce. Your wallet is your statement of hope that somewhere in the world around you there are men who will not default on that moral principle which is the root of money. Is this what you consider evil?

Have you ever looked for the root of production? Take a look at an electric generator and dare tell yourself that it was created by the muscular effort of unthinking brutes. Try to grow a seed of wheat without the knowledge left to you by men who had to discover it for the first time. Try to obtain your food by means of nothing but physical motions and you'll learn that man's mind is the root of all the goods produced and of all the wealth that has ever existed on earth.

But you say that money is made by the strong at the expense of the weak? What strength do you mean? It is not the strength of guns or muscles. Wealth is the product of man's capacity to think. Then is money made by the man who invents a motor at the expense of those who did not invent it? Is money made by the intelligent at the expense of the fools? By the able at the expense of the incompetent? By the ambitious at the expense of the lazy? Money is made before it can be looted or mooched,made by the effort of every honest man, each to the extent of his ability. An honest man is one who knows that he can't consume more than he has produced.

For the New Intellectual

The Meaning of Money


http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/money.html

I believe the Libertarians have a similar Idea about it!


No,Rand is not talking about Federal Reserve-Money!

The trick is not to fight the system but to use it against them.