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Wed 03/23/11 08:37 PM
A mom was giving a very young twin boy and girl a bath together.

Suddenly the litle girl notices the differences in anatomy.

She asked her brother what is that?

Her brother said I don't know what u call it.

The girl said well I don't have one.

The little boy said





















well, duh, u have done broke yours off.


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Wed 03/23/11 02:22 PM
hmmm....not removing Khadafi from power....sounds like Iraq 1.

except...Sadddam had invaded a sovereign country.




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Tue 03/22/11 08:30 PM
Edited by crickstergo on Tue 03/22/11 08:34 PM
"The reason we are in Iraq is to plant the seeds of democracy so they flourish there and spread to the entire region of authoritarianism." - George W. Bush 2003

It was....

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Tue 03/22/11 08:23 PM
Wasn't it the Bush administration that said that if there was a seed of hope for democracy in that region as Iraq would be that it would spread throughout the Arab world? I don't think Obama had a clue.
It all has been news to him.

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Tue 03/22/11 02:49 PM
Edited by crickstergo on Tue 03/22/11 02:54 PM

I have to ask some questions about all this. Is it that the psycological functioning of these trouble-makers has become more virulent, or is it just that the weaponry has become more deadly? Are we producing more sociopaths or more narcissists? Ha the culture changed? Are we a more mean society?

This can get to be an awfully big topic, but it's probably worth some effort and deep thougt to examine the prospects for the next generation. I don't profess to have any answer. I only feel strongly that draconian punishment doesn't hold any answers.


I don't think so - some of it is that people are just made more aware of the bad stuff because of the ease of access to info through the internet and expanded tv.

making sure the parents are involved is key for the schools - and not alienating parents by discipling children in a way diffent than what parents or the law would do. I don't think anyone at say the mall would feel overly threatened by the kids of most of the examples given in the article if say they observed that behavior at the mall. Not saying children should bring toys to school butjust about how it is dealt with.

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Tue 03/22/11 01:13 PM

School is not like it was a generation ago. When the most that happened was a fist fight or pulled hair. Now days the threat of real violence seems to hit every where.
My daughter teaches in a very small rural school that just went through a lock down last week and police escorts at the school this Monday because of a shooting threat that was found in the restroom. Although the day passed without any sign of violence it makes a person stop and think what the hell is going on?


Sounds like the school should be complimented based on that information. All threats should be handled by the police - and that's just what they did.

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Tue 03/22/11 11:12 AM
grumble

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Tue 03/22/11 11:05 AM
It really disturb me that a lot of people think most kids are bad nowadays. And that parents don't care.

That's partly because of tragedies that ocurr and the sensationalized reporting of them. I admit such tragedies get my emotions boiling too but I try to look at the whole picture.

Schools used to work very well with parents. That in my opinion has changed. Parents have been alienated because of the punish first attitudes of schools. In many cases, parents aren't even given the opportunity to be parents. The best policy for many of the examples given would be to address it first with the parents. Also, a theme in the articles was that these kids were good students.

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Tue 03/22/11 09:49 AM
Edited by crickstergo on Tue 03/22/11 09:51 AM

This is just my opinion BUT we need to be strict with our children in school. They are there to learn and not to do such silly things that you are talking about. In these times you can not trust our young people any more...they do carry guns. Not all young kids are bad but IF parents were there more for their children and knew exactly what they were doing and who they were with, maybe things wouldn't be so tough.
Hey I am all for adults being able to have guns to protect their homes but when they get into the hands of our children...forget it!! Have you seen some of these toys guns? They look real. A child actually got shot by a police officer because they thought this little boy had a real gun....it was a toy gun. No toy guns should ever be taken into the school. NEVER!!!!
All I know is that I am glad that I only have 1 son left in school. 1 down and 1 to go. You think things are bad now, just wait...its going to be twice as bad in a few years!!!


excuse me...the right to express your opinion, even of a teacher, is a protected 1st amendment right of all citizens. There is nothing
"silly" about violating someones rights. For the school to reach into a home and discipline is serious to me.

"can't trust young people anymore" u say

I don't expect most adults feel even close to that one. I know I don't. Young people should not be thought of as being suspects or criminals.

Young people make mistakes.

Punishment should be at appropriate levels to harm or damages caused. Zero tolerance policies should be called zero intelligence policies. For example, a student if attacked can't even defend themselves anymore at school without fear of being suspended. There is no recourse in schools - u r guilty until proven innocent. U serve the time before being declared innocent. That is so wrong. That is not the way to prevent tragedies you speak of.















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Mon 03/21/11 10:26 PM
noway noway noway

a bit much...there shouldn't have been any at all..next time an officer of the law stops u for anything he should take your license and your car...that's just how schools discipline...zero tolerance policies...there is no recourse except to sue...and the punishment is already served...
We got to stop treating children as suspects. and yeah, you can have your car back after u sue. It not like that in the real world outside of school.

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Mon 03/21/11 10:02 PM
http://mingle2.com/topic/show/299206

more insanity by schools

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Mon 03/21/11 08:59 PM

Having a daughter. A father's worst nightmare? A quote I remember, "When you have a son, you only have to worry about one penis in the neighborhood. When you have a daughter, you have worry about every penis in the neighborhood".


how true it is...

:smile: :wink: happy happy happy

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Mon 03/21/11 08:53 PM
Ninth grader Andrew Mikel is merely the latest in a long line of victims whose educations have been senselessly derailed by school administrators lacking in both common sense and compassion. A freshman at Spotsylvania High School in Virginia, Andrew was expelled in December 2010 for shooting a handful of small pellets akin to plastic spit wads at fellow students in the school hallway during lunch period. Although the initial punishment was only for 10 days, the school board later extended it to the rest of the school year. School officials also referred the matter to local law enforcement, which initiated juvenile proceedings for criminal assault against young Andrew.

Andrew is not alone. Nine-year-old Patrick Timoney was sent to the principal’s office and threatened with suspension after school officials discovered that one of his LEGOs was holding a 2-inch toy gun. That particular LEGO, a policeman, was Patrick’s favorite because his father is a retired police officer. David Morales, an 8-year-old Rhode Island student, ran afoul of his school’s zero tolerance policies after he wore a hat to school decorated with an American flag and tiny plastic Army figures in honor of American troops. School officials declared the hat out of bounds because the toy soldiers were carrying miniature guns. A 7-year-old New Jersey boy, described by school officials as “a nice kid” and “a good student,” was reported to the police and charged with possessing an imitation firearm after he brought a toy Nerf-style gun to school. The gun shoots soft ping pong-type balls.

Things have gotten so bad that it doesn’t even take a toy gun to raise the ire of school officials. A high school sophomore was suspended for violating the school’s no-cell-phone policy after he took a call from his father, a master sergeant in the U.S. Army who was serving in Iraq at the time. A 12-year-old New York student was hauled out of school in handcuffs for doodling on her desk with an erasable marker. In Houston, an 8th grader was suspended for wearing rosary beads to school in memory of her grandmother (the school has a zero tolerance policy against the rosary, which the school insists can be interpreted as a sign of gang involvement). Six-year-old Cub Scout Zachary Christie was sentenced to 45 days in reform school after bringing a camping utensil to school that can serve as a fork, knife or spoon. And in Oklahoma, school officials suspended a first grader simply for using his hand to simulate a gun.

What these incidents, all the result of overzealous school officials and inflexible zero tolerance policies, make clear is that we have moved into a new paradigm in America where young people are increasingly viewed as suspects and treated as criminals by school officials and law enforcement alike.

Adopted in the wake of Congress’ passage of the 1994 Gun-Free Schools Act, which required a one-year expulsion for any child bringing a firearm or bomb to school, school zero tolerance policies were initially intended to address and prevent serious problems involving weapons, violence and drug and alcohol use in the schools. However, since the Columbine school shootings, nervous legislators and school boards have tightened their zero tolerance policies to such an extent that school officials are now empowered to punish all offenses severely, no matter how minor. Hence, an elementary school student is punished in the same way that an adult high school senior is punished. And a student who actually intends to harm others is treated the same as one who breaks the rules accidentally—or is perceived as breaking the rules.

For instance, after students at a Texas school were assigned to write a “scary” Halloween story, one 13-year-old chose to write about shooting up a school. Although he received a passing grade on the story, school officials reported him to the police, resulting in his spending six days in jail before it was determined that no crime had been committed. Equally outrageous was the case in New Jersey where several kindergartners were suspended from school for three days for playing a make-believe game of “cops and robbers” during recess and using their fingers as guns.

With the distinctions between student offenses erased, and all offenses expellable, we now find ourselves in the midst of what Time magazine described as a “national crackdown on Alka-Seltzer.” Indeed, at least 20 children in four states have been suspended from school for possession of the fizzy tablets in violation of zero tolerance drug policies. In some jurisdictions, carrying cough drops, wearing black lipstick or dying your hair blue are actually expellable offenses. Students have also been penalized for such inane “crimes” as bringing nail clippers to school, using Listerine or Scope, and carrying fold-out combs that resemble switchblades. A 13-year-old boy in Manassas, Virginia, who accepted a Certs breath mint from a classmate, was actually suspended and required to attend drug-awareness classes, while a 12-year-old boy who said he brought powdered sugar to school for a science project was charged with a felony for possessing a look-alike drug. Another 12-year-old was handcuffed and jailed after he stomped in a puddle, splashing classmates.

The American Bar Association has rightly condemned these zero tolerance policies as being “a one-size-fits-all solution to all the problems that schools confront.” Unfortunately, when challenged about the fact that under these draconian policies, a kid who shoots a spitball is punished the same as the kid who brings a gun to school, school officials often insist that their hands are tied. That rationale, however, falls apart on several counts.

First, such policies completely fail to take into account the student’s intentions, nor do they take into account the long-term damage inflicted on school children. For example, as a result of the criminal charges against him, Andrew Mikel, an honor student active in Junior ROTC and in his church who had hoped to attend the U.S. Naval Academy, can no longer be considered as an applicant.

Second, these one-strike-and-you’re-out policies have proven to be largely unsuccessful and been heavily criticized by such professional organizations as the National Association of School Psychologists: “[R]esearch indicates that, as implemented, zero tolerance policies are ineffective in the long run and are related to a number of negative consequences, including increased rates of school drop out and discriminatory application of school discipline practices.”

Third, with the emergence of zero tolerance policies, school officials have forsaken the time-honored distinction between punishment and discipline. Namely, that schools exist to educate students about their rights and the law and discipline those who need it, while prisons exist to punish criminals who have been tried and found guilty of breaking the law. And, as a result, many American schools now resemble prisons with both barbed wire perimeters and police walking the halls.

Fourth, such policies criminalize childish, otherwise innocent behavior and in many cases create a permanent record that will haunt that child into adulthood. Moreover, by involving the police in incidents that should never leave the environs of the school, it turns the schools into little more than a police state. For example, 9-year-old Michael Parson was suspended from school for a day and ordered to undergo a psychological evaluation after mentioning to a classmate his intent to “shoot” a fellow classmate with a wad of paper. Despite the fact that the “weapon” considered suspect consisted of a wadded-up piece of moistened paper and a rubber band with which to launch it, district officials notified local police, suspended Michael under the school’s zero tolerance policy, and required him to undergo a psychological evaluation before returning to class. Incredibly, local police also went to Michael’s home after midnight in order to question the fourth grader about the so-called “shooting” incident.

Finally, these policies, and the school administrators who relentlessly enforce them, render young people woefully ignorant of the rights they intrinsically possess as American citizens. What’s more, having failed to learn much in the way of civic education while in school, young people are being browbeaten into believing that they have no true rights and government authorities have total power and can violate constitutional rights whenever they see fit.

There’s an old axiom that what children learn in school today will be the philosophy of government tomorrow. As surveillance cameras, metal detectors, police patrols, zero tolerance policies, lock downs, drug sniffing dogs and strip searches become the norm in elementary, middle and high schools across the nation, America is on a fast track to raising up an Orwellian generation—one populated by compliant citizens accustomed to living in a police state and who march in lockstep to the dictates of the government. In other words, the schools are teaching our young people how to be obedient subjects in a totalitarian society.

Constitutional attorney and author John W. Whitehead is founder and president of The Rutherford Institute. His new book The Freedom Wars (TRI Press) is available online at www.amazon.com.
He can be contacted at johnw@rutherford.org. Information about The Rutherford Institute is available at www.rutherford.org

http://njtoday.net/2011/02/14/zero-tolerance-policies-are-the-schools-becoming-police-states/

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Might as well add mine...a vice principal suspended my nephew for 4 days for updating his status from home on facebook that a teacher (he did not identify the teacher by name or class) couldn't take a joke. It was overturned but not until after he served the suspension.
The school board had just recently adopted a bullying and harassing
policy. The above examples and mine clearly show what will happen
when schools stop teaching and start policing. I am sensitive of the need to stop bullying and harassment but speech off campus is protected by the 1st amendemnt and until vice principals and principals are required to have law degrees I am not willing to support any such policies in fear of destroying constitutional rights and due process that the civil and criminal justice system affords. Maybe we just need to educate people how they should use those systems to stop the bullying and harassment. And also require students to take more stop bullying education courses at school.
Having to deal with that one instance was enough for my nephew's Mom.
The child is now home schooled.







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Mon 03/21/11 01:46 PM
Edited by crickstergo on Mon 03/21/11 01:47 PM

Should we authorize the schools to do drug testing to eliminate this from happening?

In order for this kid to be that out of it there would have to be a health problem of some kind but schools are limited in the medical testing they can do and/or access to medical records which may be why they had to go on the superficial determination.


laugh laugh laugh

r u kidding me...call the parent...she was sick. Schools need to stick to teaching...the nurse should only be there to treat emergercies or call 911 or until students are handed over to parents... Schools testing sick children...what a joke...

School power is getting ridiculous.

A family member's child missed 9 days of high school for being sick and did not get credit for a whole semester work even though he made up all the work and passed EOC's. One doctors note didn't get turned in...policy is that if a student misses over 8 days all notes must be turned in within 48 hrs. To get the credits the school insisted
the student go through some lenghty after school program. The mom told em where to go and the student is better off being home schooled.

Schools gone wild...no logic involved.

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Mon 03/21/11 11:02 AM
laugh laugh laugh

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Mon 03/21/11 10:53 AM
Edited by crickstergo on Mon 03/21/11 10:54 AM


why not just ask the kid if any drugs were taken, and then call the parents and let them pick up the child for the day?

In washington dc last week, i think it was a 4th or 5th grader that had brought cocaine to school and gave it to the classmates who were all hospitalized, anyone see that?



I am not sure a kid would be honest about having taken drugs. I think it is appropriate for a school nurse to act on SUSPICION of drug use, although to call police or suspend without EVIDENCE of drug use is a different story.


link has detailed info...it was about an hour...

http://galvestondailynews.com/story/218002

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Mon 03/21/11 08:24 AM

Personally, I think we're getting a little extreme, here. It's not the people. It's the culture. It's how America seems to have decided it wants our teachers and administrators to deal with problems. I put it squarely on the heads of the Conservative "off with their heads" mentality. I think there should be a lawsuit, but not as punishment. Rather as a teaching tool. This is a stupid way for people to think.


Lawsuits are for damages...damages are for punishment for violating someones rights....not teaching tools...that is exactly what schools want people to believe about zero tolerance...that it's a teaching tool..I call those policies zero intelligence policies...it's not political but more of an issue of assumption of authority....Schools are now claiming they can suspend students for what happens off campus and that is a dangerous precedent. There are enough civil and criminal remedies so schools don't have to get involved as police. Schools by these actions are claiming that they don't have to protect individual constitutional rights or due process.


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Mon 03/21/11 07:38 AM
She has already won her case in the court of public opinion...hoping
someone will take up the cause and represent her and not stop short
of getting all these idiots fired.


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Mon 03/21/11 06:48 AM
Edited by crickstergo on Mon 03/21/11 07:02 AM
On March 15th, 2011 a student was suspended because a school nurse
called a deputy to give a student that didn't feel well a sobriety test. A decision was made by the deputy, nurse, and school counselor that the student was under the influence of something
but they couldn't determine what. The suspension was for 30 days.
The mom immediately took the child to the doctor and a detailed drug test was negative. The school and district is still standing by their decision.


http://galvestondailynews.com/story/218002

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Sat 03/19/11 09:25 PM
Obama starts a war and all is quiet on mingle...imagine that...no
one screaming warmonger...Pakistan is geting droned daily and Guantanamo military trials resume...prison still open...Chenny
would be proud...maybe he's been whispering in Obama ear...

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