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Mon 09/08/14 02:15 PM

This isn't crazy is it?

Not if you are a 15 year old girl.

I just don't understand something though
met this woman a week ago now through an arranged one on one...(she is taken at present)

Who would set you up with a "taken" woman?
Or did she magically get a committed relationship in a week?

You don't give all that much information in your OP.

It (most likely) reads like you met a girl once, she rejected you by telling you that she was seeing someone else/had a boyfriend, and now you are trying to rationalize forcing yourself back into her life by averring how deep and meaningful it is because you feel so much, as though you think that's what women want so you've chosen to give it to her trying to force some sort of emotional obligation onto her.

Otherwise I wonder
an arranged one on one...(she is a wrestler and boxer and travels around meeting guys for sessions)

If she's a hooker you've fallen in love with, or you are trying to learn wrestling/boxing and your mom signed you up for a lesson and she happened to have a hot body.
...Although really, it would lead to no different conclusion.


Number one....I arranged to meet her myself, been doing wrestling related sessions similar to this for a few years now. No sex involved ever mind you, those I've seen don't do that. Second, I found out later she has a boyfriend through her manager whom I had communicated with long before I ever met her. I have been told by someone via tarot this will change though and the effects of our meeting are already beginning. Whether it does or not remains to be seen but guess I'll find out soon.

and as for flaws and things. Yeah I do think I could handle it. I would commit to this wholeheartedly if this is what I believe it to be. Scares me but....I would go with it without a thought.

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Mon 09/08/14 01:30 AM
Edited by Kleisto on Mon 09/08/14 01:30 AM
Haven't been here in a long while but I'd like to get some opinions on this. Ever since I met this woman a week ago now through an arranged one on one get together (she is a wrestler and boxer and travels around meeting guys for sessions)....and since I've really realized what she may mean to me...I've been consumed by her.....my thoughts are almost entirely fixated on her. Appetite is gone, sex drive (and it was always really high I might add) gone, very little interest in it anymore, like it feels wrong/odd if not shared with her in some form, focus on tasks, gone. It's like I'm going through the motions, like I'm almost missing a part of myself, of my soul.

The whole thing is like nothing I've ever felt, it's incredibly intense....I'd go travel with her tomorrow if she asked me to without even a thought. I've become THAT sure that there is something here....that I have to follow this path, follow what my heart seems to be screaming, despite anything else in the way, be it distance, other people around both of us (she is taken at present), the fact I just met her, etc etc. I've never had someone effect my life like this, nothing I've been through before or felt before can compare to it even remotely.

This isn't crazy is it? I feel so sure about her, about my relationship to her.....never been as sure about anything before.

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Sat 11/09/13 03:11 AM
Edited by Kleisto on Sat 11/09/13 03:12 AM
I haven't used soap in the shower (or shampoo either) for quite some time using just water instead as I feel neither are that good for the body in the form we know them. Funny thing too.....before I had this big brown patch on my legs when I was using soap......stopped using it and scrubbed it good, never came back. Funny no?

I may try this olive oil trick in addition to water.....wonder what it would do for hair as well, any thoughts there? Thanks for sharing in any case.

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Fri 11/01/13 04:21 PM
I can't say what I manifested today.......but I think I have manifested, or seen the results of a manifest this week. As I've mentioned here before.......I have been dabbling into wrestling for fun and as a physical test the last year or two.

Well since I had started, I have had these thoughts in my head of what it'd be like to do that for a living or in part.....be it helping out girls that travel in dealing with potential clients for sessions (the most recent idea I had but never had the guts to ask about), coming up with creative ideas for video shoots, be them competitive matches, or more fantasy stuff, or even being in videos myself.

For a while it seemed like all of that was a pipe dream, and I had been questioning just what I was doing, where my priorities were after having spent so much on all this....and thinking about where I could be with money if I had spent less even though getting out has had its' benefits.

But I guess in my subconscious mind having that small shred of hope somewhere has actually paid off, cause now everything has changed after seeing a woman this past week. I hadn't anticipated anything to come of it beyond just a typical session like the others but.....not only did we get into the idea of doing work on her site to help girls out as they travel (which was something I was hoping maybe to do for an in at some point), but....we actually got it planned now to do some shooting together when she comes back here. I am gonna talk to the next woman I see this week upcoming about arranging a shoot with her too perhaps if she is onboard with it.

I really can't believe this is happening but it is. This may very well be my big break, it's a huge opportunity for me. I don't know where this is gonna take me but I feel more motivated and inspired than I have in a long long time. Makes me wanna push myself to get into a better position too.....from learning to drive to get around easy without expenses (something that prevented me from going back to see this woman again last night to possibly film a shoot she was to do with another guy), to getting reacquainted to using a camera again after several years not.....I just have a huge push of motivation right now that I haven't had a lot of in the past.

It's really true isn't it? If you want something badly enough.....the universe will help you make it happen somehow. I know I had noticed that with this wrestling stuff even when it's been challenging to arrange, I've found a way to make it happen if I really wanted to do it. It's all about that energy isn't it? Having that passion for something. You push for it, you believe it, you will get where you wish to be....

So yeah.....this week may well be the defining moment in my life where everything really starts to change....


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Tue 10/29/13 10:18 AM
That's all well and good if people kept such beliefs personal to themselves.......but that doesn't happen. Religious people tend to wield their religion like a sword, you either agree with them/live like they do, or you are wrong and cast out. This is a problem. I have no problem with people believing as they want to believe, my problem is when they use that belief to shun others who think differently.

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Mon 10/28/13 11:42 PM





when will people realize the traits of respect or mutual agreement don't equate to being 'told how to think'

??

there is not a church I have attended which doesn't have bible study time for those questions people may have


should someone disrupt a card reading, spell casting, or other occasion with questions?

there is a time and place, there is nothing that should be particularly disturbing or new about that fact



What does my post have to do with card readings? (Those are one on one two way conversations, like therapy.)

Specifically, I am referring to people here on mingle who will preach the gospel (according to them) but will not discuss or debate the reasoning of what they are preaching, and comparing it to a preacher on Sunday standing behind a pulpit preaching to a crowd.

He does not want to discuss anything, he just wants to influence people to agree with him.

Its why I don't go to church.

"Bible Study" is a better approach, but all is still subject to the interpretation of the Church or the preacher in charge. If you don't agree with them or him, you are free to go to another church or start your own church. That is why there are so many different denominations.

So preachers who say, "It's my way or the highway" are the cause of so much separation of people and religions.












I agree, prechers who say its any way but the bibles way, or Gods way contribute to separation


doesn't that lend itself to separation too? There's still a problem there, as Christians, no matter what denomination you subscribe to, the Bible is treated as the ULTIMATE authority on right and wrong....you cannot question it or challenge it without it coming on you as not having enough faith or whatever way you wish to put it. If that doesn't limit discussion and debate I don't know what does. How can you freely talk about the validity of something when you HAVE to agree ahead of time that what you're challenging is true as written or you are wrong? You can't.



No that is not true at all. You just do not understand who they are


who who is? Christians?

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Mon 10/28/13 10:19 PM



when will people realize the traits of respect or mutual agreement don't equate to being 'told how to think'

??

there is not a church I have attended which doesn't have bible study time for those questions people may have


should someone disrupt a card reading, spell casting, or other occasion with questions?

there is a time and place, there is nothing that should be particularly disturbing or new about that fact



What does my post have to do with card readings? (Those are one on one two way conversations, like therapy.)

Specifically, I am referring to people here on mingle who will preach the gospel (according to them) but will not discuss or debate the reasoning of what they are preaching, and comparing it to a preacher on Sunday standing behind a pulpit preaching to a crowd.

He does not want to discuss anything, he just wants to influence people to agree with him.

Its why I don't go to church.

"Bible Study" is a better approach, but all is still subject to the interpretation of the Church or the preacher in charge. If you don't agree with them or him, you are free to go to another church or start your own church. That is why there are so many different denominations.

So preachers who say, "It's my way or the highway" are the cause of so much separation of people and religions.












I agree, prechers who say its any way but the bibles way, or Gods way contribute to separation


doesn't that lend itself to separation too? There's still a problem there, as Christians, no matter what denomination you subscribe to, the Bible is treated as the ULTIMATE authority on right and wrong....you cannot question it or challenge it without it coming on you as not having enough faith or whatever way you wish to put it. If that doesn't limit discussion and debate I don't know what does. How can you freely talk about the validity of something when you HAVE to agree ahead of time that what you're challenging is true as written or you are wrong? You can't.

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Mon 10/07/13 02:57 AM
Edited by Kleisto on Mon 10/07/13 02:59 AM

I also think the way parents raise the child is a very important factor here, as their education of the child can put things in perspective.


This. I think how we educate, or really don't about sex, does a lot more harm than any porn ever could. We make it all a forbidden fruit, and we all should know what happens when you do that, it makes the desire for said fruit stronger. If we educated our kids about their hormones, their sexuality, and how to express it all healthily, porn would not impact them as it does now I believe, nor would they be acting out on their own half as much as they do. To me it starts with the parent.

We try so hard to protect our kids on this topic, that we end up in the long run pushing them from us I believe. We need to be communicating with them.........not just trying to dictate. You'd have a much more well adjusted, sexually responsible society if you did that in my opinion. What we are seeing now is a result of repression of what is only natural in all human beings. Take that lid off it all and I think you'd see changes, but not before.

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Thu 10/03/13 12:35 AM


If is not a God of love why did he put us on this earth????


Morie, he is a God of love. There is also more to God than
just loving his people. The only thing God hates is sin. He
pours his wrath on the unrighteous when they die.


You don't know what love is then, love doesn't torture without end.

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Sat 09/28/13 03:47 PM





You can believe whatever you like. As far as I know, Christianity
is the only way to get to Heaven. If you pass away and don't come
back as an eagle, you had no one to blame but yourself.


Oh! Had i know, i would've believe this while i was in the earth. May it not be our cry.


I don't believe in a God that uses fear to get what it wants, sorry I just don't. Any being on this earth that would tell you "love me or I will ensure you die and burn" would be seen as a monster and quite rightly. Why is it then that God can do the same thing and it's suddenly ok? Why do we expect more out of ourselves, than we do out of a God that is supposed to be higher than us spiritually? Why do we worship a God that is effectively less loving than we? It makes no sense. If anything we should expect MORE out of a being claiming to be divine.....not less.


Actually Kleisto, a lot of people misinterpret what the fear
of God means. Putting the "fear of God" into someone isn't
to make a person believe that they should be petrified about
God striking them down. Fear of god, realistically, means
to revere, believe, and keep his word. To love him like he
loves us. Fear actually mean reverance and respect toward
Lord Jesus and his Father, our creator, God.


Again, God does not send us to hell. Only we can send ourselves
there by ignoring, rejecting or by being unbelievers of God.
Like it says in the Bible " all non believers will be thrown
into the lake of fire". I didn't say that, Jesus did.


Why should I respect a person who only cares for what it wants, not what I do? Is that really what love does? It's not to me. Love is not selfish, your Bible even says that, to demand things is the antithesis of that. Respect is a two way street, if I am not respected, what's the point of giving it back?

And you are full of crap on the 2nd, God can ALWAYS choose to not damn anyone.....no one realistically would choose that for themselves......God is the one that makes it possible. So yeah he entirely DOES send us there since no one else can do it but the creator. And no matter if "we do it" or not, it's still completely unloving. Not a God worth worshipping to me at all, who would do such a thing.

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Sat 09/28/13 11:53 AM
Edited by Kleisto on Sat 09/28/13 11:54 AM



You can believe whatever you like. As far as I know, Christianity
is the only way to get to Heaven. If you pass away and don't come
back as an eagle, you had no one to blame but yourself.


Oh! Had i know, i would've believe this while i was in the earth. May it not be our cry.


I don't believe in a God that uses fear to get what it wants, sorry I just don't. Any being on this earth that would tell you "love me or I will ensure you die and burn" would be seen as a monster and quite rightly. Why is it then that God can do the same thing and it's suddenly ok? Why do we expect more out of ourselves, than we do out of a God that is supposed to be higher than us spiritually? Why do we worship a God that is effectively less loving than we? It makes no sense. If anything we should expect MORE out of a being claiming to be divine.....not less.

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Sat 09/28/13 02:37 AM





We all sin to some degree. Remember it's God that is perfect.
We're just his creations that can go either one way or the other,
in this spiritual battle of life.


God is perfect you say? Then how on earth is it possible that he could create a creation capable of doing something it did not intend for them to be able to do, to the point he regrets ever creating them before the great flood? Would that not be a mistake? Would this not indicate a flaw in his creation if he made them this way? How does that really work?

If you ask me it doesn't.......either God is perfect and so are we for our purpose here, flaws and all, or God screwed up. There is no middleground. Make a choice, is God perfect or isn't he?

God is perfect and he created as to have our own will so if we have flaws it does not make him any less perfect ,it's our decisions that makes us imperfect.


If our "decisions" make us imperfect then would you say that maybe we should not make any decisions? Should we just blindly listen to the voices in our heads and follow their instructions?

Or should we blindly follow orders from so-called preachers who claim to talk to God?

I don't think so.



We can't live without making decisions ,our decisions make us who we are. God is aware of the flaws that we have as humans, that is why there is grace and forgiveness .



except of course when there's not.........that's the most ridiculous aspect of all of this......God KNOWINGLY makes us flawed, yet then gets mad when we act according to those flaws? What? If God didn't want us to be flawed and sin, why did he give us the capability? Further, why then is it OUR fault that we act according to how we were made, when God had the final say on how we were formed, what we could do and could not. How is the creator not responsible?

The whole story plain stinks.

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Wed 09/25/13 08:35 PM


I don't think so. Because say I put a gun to a Christian's head, no doubt he'd beg for dear life. Kind of strange don't you think, considering how afterwards he'd go to heaven.


You put a gun to anyone's head and their going to have
that initial fear and shock. At least the saved, righteous
person will be going to the right place.



So that justified it? I think not! Love doesn't use terror tactics to get what it wants. Period. If you think it does, you don't know love or God.

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Mon 09/23/13 11:06 AM
Edited by Kleisto on Mon 09/23/13 11:07 AM







We all sin to some degree. Remember it's God that is perfect.
We're just his creations that can go either one way or the other,
in this spiritual battle of life.


God is perfect you say? Then how on earth is it possible that he could create a creation capable of doing something it did not intend for them to be able to do, to the point he regrets ever creating them before the great flood? Would that not be a mistake? Would this not indicate a flaw in his creation if he made them this way? How does that really work?

If you ask me it doesn't.......either God is perfect and so are we for our purpose here, flaws and all, or God screwed up. There is no middleground. Make a choice, is God perfect or isn't he?


Kleisto, what are you referring to in the first couple of sentences?


I am saying that it is impossible for a being who created us perfect to make us imperfect UNLESS that's what it intended us to be, it defies logic. To say it's true means God made a mistake and perfect beings are incapable of that. God had to know why he made us the way we did.......otherwise how can he be perfect and all knowing if we can do something it didn't expect or anticipate? It just does not make any sense whatsoever. If God didn't want us to be the way we are it would have made us different, but it didn't. Therefore we must be perfect for our purpose, because if we weren't, it'd mean God made a mistake which again is something perfection cannot do by definition.



I don't think God had any intention of making us to be
perfect beings. It starts with the story of Adam and Eve.
First humans ever to be created by God. Satan is cast out
of Heaven for his plot to overtake God. Satan them tempts
Adam and Eve, and they give in.

Today, whether you believe or you don't, we fight with
the negative and positive forces. A spiritual battle if
you will, with God on one side and satan on the other, vying
for our souls. God for good, wants us all to be in Heaven with
him. Satan is furious with God for casting him out into hell
forever, and will try to entice any of God's creations "us" into
sinning, so when we pass, we enter into his lair of torture and
pain for eternity.

You may know the story I've just posted? Not sure? May all be
just fiction to you, and you just may believe in what modern
science teaches you and that's it? Faith though is about keeping
an open mind and doing all the right things. To love your neighbor as yourself. Never hate, be jealous, envious, hurtful or racist to anyone. Jesus only taught peace.


First of all that's a lie, Jesus himself even said that he comes not to bring peace but a sword in the Bible, and speaks of dividing families........you are being dishonest. If he was all about peace his words would reflect it and they do not.

That's number one, number two, if God did not intend us to be perfect beings as you say, then what sense does it make to punish us eternally in the way that it does, and wipe out whole civilizations at times in addition to? You're gonna tell me God KNOWINGLY makes us imperfect and flawed, and then gets mad when we act exactly as it wanted us to be able to? Bullcrap. Again, either God made everything and everyone as it intended, or God screwed up, it cannot be both.

Finally, any divine being that would let people burn eternally in hell knowing it could prevent it and wants all to be saved in the place, is not one worthy of any worship at all. Such is a being a monster, and as far from anything loving as one could get. Love does not let someone suffer just for the sake of suffering.


If You actually read the Bible, you'll see there are many
verses where Jesus mentions peace. Here are just some
of them:

John 14:27 ESV /

Peace I leave with you; my peace I give to you. Not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your hearts be troubled, neither let them be afraid.

Exodus 20:13 ESV /

“You shall not murder.

Thessalonians 3:16 ESV /

Now may the Lord of peace himself give you peace at all times in every way. The Lord be with you all.

John 16:33 ESV /

I have said these things to you, that in me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation. But take heart; I have overcome the world.”

1 Peter 3:11 ESV /

Let him turn away from evil and do good; let him seek peace and pursue it.

Romans 12:18 ESV /

If possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all.

There are two forces at work here, remember that. God is the spiritual force controlling all that is good in humankind, and
of the earth. Satan has just enough power to sway people into
doing bad, heinous acts. Ultimately though, it's up to us to
control what's thrown our way by satan and his minions. Satan
wants people to be atheists agnostics, and occultists. He has
gotten through to people like these, in order to aquire their
souls when they pass over. He's the ultimate tempter and
deceiver.

It's sin within ourselves and through satan that works
the karma towards natural disasters, as far as I know.
I'll have to look into this some more.

God is a loving God. However he's also just and a good
judge. His rules are clear, that either you get saved
and follow his commandments to the best of your ability.
If one get "saved", which means you believe Jesus came
down to earth and eventually died for our sins, meaning
he sacrificed himself in order that, if we repented and
prayed for forgiveness of our sins,we could escape the fires of hell. Also believing that he was
resurrected three days later going up to Heaven, and that
he is our Lord and Saviour. According to scripture, we
are then "saved".

Now, you can be saved and still sin. One just need to have
a conscience and pray for forgiveness once they do commit
a sin, whereas an unsaved person or non-believer will not
be forgiven. There are some who believe that "once saved
always saved. However, I had been told my my pastor that
the only way to become unsaved, the only unforgivable sin
is to be a believer who then turn back to being a non-believer.


Doesn't the Bible say love never fails? If God is love and love doesn't fail, yet it fails to save every single soul willing it to be, how does that NOT make it a failure?

Also if God is supposed to not be a keeper of wrongs.....how does it make sense that if you sin too much you can go to hell or at the least cease to exist? And if God is supposed to be merciful and forgiving even if one rebels against it (Daniel 9:9), how does it have the capacity to NOT forgive at the same time?

Finally about Jesus, ok fine it says all those things about peace, but it does not change the fact that it ALSO talks about bringing a sword in other parts of the Bible. Which is true?

Bottom line to me is simply that the Bible is one of the most contradictory pieces of literature ever written, it constantly speaks this double speak. As such, it is not the least bit credible to be any kind of complete truth in my estimation.


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Sat 09/21/13 01:21 PM
Edited by Kleisto on Sat 09/21/13 01:21 PM

I also have faith and belief in the creator. I just don't make the claim that I know and understand what the creator is. Religions wrongly believe and claim that they know and understand it. They don't.


This is something gets me........religious people will always say we cannot understand the mind of God to defend their beliefs. Uhh......they do realize that applies to them too right? If we can't know, how the hell can they? What makes them so special? It's a double standard, if we can't know, they can't either.

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Fri 09/20/13 11:46 PM





We all sin to some degree. Remember it's God that is perfect.
We're just his creations that can go either one way or the other,
in this spiritual battle of life.


God is perfect you say? Then how on earth is it possible that he could create a creation capable of doing something it did not intend for them to be able to do, to the point he regrets ever creating them before the great flood? Would that not be a mistake? Would this not indicate a flaw in his creation if he made them this way? How does that really work?

If you ask me it doesn't.......either God is perfect and so are we for our purpose here, flaws and all, or God screwed up. There is no middleground. Make a choice, is God perfect or isn't he?


Kleisto, what are you referring to in the first couple of sentences?


I am saying that it is impossible for a being who created us perfect to make us imperfect UNLESS that's what it intended us to be, it defies logic. To say it's true means God made a mistake and perfect beings are incapable of that. God had to know why he made us the way we did.......otherwise how can he be perfect and all knowing if we can do something it didn't expect or anticipate? It just does not make any sense whatsoever. If God didn't want us to be the way we are it would have made us different, but it didn't. Therefore we must be perfect for our purpose, because if we weren't, it'd mean God made a mistake which again is something perfection cannot do by definition.



I don't think God had any intention of making us to be
perfect beings. It starts with the story of Adam and Eve.
First humans ever to be created by God. Satan is cast out
of Heaven for his plot to overtake God. Satan them tempts
Adam and Eve, and they give in.

Today, whether you believe or you don't, we fight with
the negative and positive forces. A spiritual battle if
you will, with God on one side and satan on the other, vying
for our souls. God for good, wants us all to be in Heaven with
him. Satan is furious with God for casting him out into hell
forever, and will try to entice any of God's creations "us" into
sinning, so when we pass, we enter into his lair of torture and
pain for eternity.

You may know the story I've just posted? Not sure? May all be
just fiction to you, and you just may believe in what modern
science teaches you and that's it? Faith though is about keeping
an open mind and doing all the right things. To love your neighbor as yourself. Never hate, be jealous, envious, hurtful or racist to anyone. Jesus only taught peace.


First of all that's a lie, Jesus himself even said that he comes not to bring peace but a sword in the Bible, and speaks of dividing families........you are being dishonest. If he was all about peace his words would reflect it and they do not.

That's number one, number two, if God did not intend us to be perfect beings as you say, then what sense does it make to punish us eternally in the way that it does, and wipe out whole civilizations at times in addition to? You're gonna tell me God KNOWINGLY makes us imperfect and flawed, and then gets mad when we act exactly as it wanted us to be able to? Bullcrap. Again, either God made everything and everyone as it intended, or God screwed up, it cannot be both.

Finally, any divine being that would let people burn eternally in hell knowing it could prevent it and wants all to be saved in the place, is not one worthy of any worship at all. Such is a being a monster, and as far from anything loving as one could get. Love does not let someone suffer just for the sake of suffering.

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Fri 09/20/13 10:10 PM
Edited by Kleisto on Fri 09/20/13 10:11 PM



We all sin to some degree. Remember it's God that is perfect.
We're just his creations that can go either one way or the other,
in this spiritual battle of life.


God is perfect you say? Then how on earth is it possible that he could create a creation capable of doing something it did not intend for them to be able to do, to the point he regrets ever creating them before the great flood? Would that not be a mistake? Would this not indicate a flaw in his creation if he made them this way? How does that really work?

If you ask me it doesn't.......either God is perfect and so are we for our purpose here, flaws and all, or God screwed up. There is no middleground. Make a choice, is God perfect or isn't he?


Kleisto, what are you referring to in the first couple of sentences?


I am saying that it is impossible for a being who created us perfect to make us imperfect UNLESS that's what it intended us to be, it defies logic. To say it's true means God made a mistake and perfect beings are incapable of that. God had to know why he made us the way we did.......otherwise how can he be perfect and all knowing if we can do something it didn't expect or anticipate? It just does not make any sense whatsoever. If God didn't want us to be the way we are it would have made us different, but it didn't. Therefore we must be perfect for our purpose, because if we weren't, it'd mean God made a mistake which again is something perfection cannot do by definition.

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Wed 09/18/13 07:52 PM

We all sin to some degree. Remember it's God that is perfect.
We're just his creations that can go either one way or the other,
in this spiritual battle of life.


God is perfect you say? Then how on earth is it possible that he could create a creation capable of doing something it did not intend for them to be able to do, to the point he regrets ever creating them before the great flood? Would that not be a mistake? Would this not indicate a flaw in his creation if he made them this way? How does that really work?

If you ask me it doesn't.......either God is perfect and so are we for our purpose here, flaws and all, or God screwed up. There is no middleground. Make a choice, is God perfect or isn't he?

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Wed 09/18/13 05:32 PM
Edited by Kleisto on Wed 09/18/13 05:32 PM
His point is simple gun free zones do NOTHING to help prevent shootings, all they do is make it easier for any criminal to come in and open fire at will, cause you know they don't obey any laws. Bans just punish the innocent, never the target they claim it's to stop.

And sure it may just be Starbucks now, but what happens when it spreads? Then what? Do you REALLY want a society where the only ones that have access to weapons are those who intend to do harm by using them vs. protecting themselves and others? I sure as hell don't.

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Wed 09/18/13 05:25 PM
Edited by Kleisto on Wed 09/18/13 05:26 PM

It is so hypocritical and they do it all the time.

If they would be safer in a room full of guns why not prove it?


Maybe because they WANT people to think guns are bad? So people like you will keep drinking that koolaid they keep pushing down our throats that they need to be regulated and controlled? Just a thought......

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