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mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 16203 |
QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: Just one of many well documented cases of the miscarriages of juctice, the above is the greatest miscarriage of justice in the American judicial systems history. not even close... i guess the 26 kids burned to death in waco by our government means nothing... but i guess bringing up racial issues from 70 years ago has it's meaning, it seems to follow the militant propaganda from your buddies at the NOI...
Uh, not so fast. Here is an excerpt from the Wikipedia entry titled "Waco siege": QUOTE: A Time poll conducted on August 26, 1999, for example, indicated that 61 percent of the public believed that federal law enforcement officials started the fire at the Branch Davidian complex.
In September of that year, Attorney General Reno appointed former U.S. Senator John C. Danforth as Special Counsel to investigate the matter. In particular, the Special Counsel was directed to investigate charges that government agents started or spread the fire at the Mount Carmel complex, directed gunfire at the Branch Davidians, and unlawfully employed the armed forces of the United States. A yearlong investigation ensued, during which the Office of the Special Counsel interviewed 1,001 witnesses, reviewed over 2.3 million pages of documents, and examined thousands of pounds of physical evidence. In the Final report to the Deputy Attorney General concerning the 1993 confrontation at the Mt. Carmel Complex, Waco Texas of November 8, 2000, Special Counsel Danforth concluded that the allegations were meritless. The report found, however, that certain government employees had failed to disclose during litigation against the Branch Davidians the use of pyrotechnic devices at the complex, and had obstructed the Special Counsel’s investigation. Disciplinary action was pursued against those individuals. Allegations that the government started the fire were based largely on an FBI agent’s having fired three "pyrotechnic" tear gas rounds, which are delivered with a charge that burns. The Special Counsel concluded that, because the FBI fired the rounds nearly four hours before the fire started, at a concrete construction pit partially filled with water, 75 feet (23 m) away and downwind from the main living quarters of the complex, the rounds did not start or contribute to the spread of the fire. The Special Counsel noted, by contrast, that recorded interceptions of Branch Davidian conversations included such statements as "David said we have to get the fuel on" and "So we light it first when they come in with the tank right [...] right as they’re coming in." Branch Davidians who survived the fire acknowledged that other Branch Davidians started the fire. FBI agents witnessed Branch Davidians pouring fuel and igniting a fire, and noted these observations contemporaneously. Lab analysis found accelerants on the clothing of Branch Davidians, and investigators found deliberately punctured fuel cans and a homemade torch at the site. Based on this evidence and testimony, the Special Counsel concluded that the fire was started by the Branch Davidians. So,the Danforth Report about Waco puts to rest the false claim that federal agents started the fire that destroyed the compound of the Branch Davidians in Waco, TX. To read a Chicago Tribune news report about the Danforth Report, click here. yea, nice report... Janet Reno told them to do it... who were the "1001" witnesses? the police had everyone held back from 5 miles away... the fire started when the tank went though the walls... Did you bother to read the Danforth Report? Seriously, you are supporting a claim that has been proven to be without merit. wasn't proven to me... do you believe every report from the government? |
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chandeliering ice phenomena
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http://www.sott.net/article/261434-Strange-chandeliering-ice-phenomena-unfolds-at-Medicine-Lake Plymouth, Minnesota - Many of us thought we'd seen it all when it comes to the winter of 2012-2013. Think again. On a day in which spring made its return to Minnesota with a vengeance, Nadalie Thomas caught Old Man Winter making his last stand with an ice-shattering spectacle known to some as "chandeliering." Nadalie and her kids were down on the shores of Medicine Lake in Plymouth Saturday when they noticed large piles of ice that were splintering into fine shards similar to glass. As spectacular as the visual image was the ear-splitting sound that accompanied the icy scene. Thomas shot video of the phenomena and sent it in to KARE 11. Meteorologist Jerrid Sebesta was so impressed at the unusual occurrence that he showed Nadalie's video on his weathercast at both 5 and 10 p.m. Jerrid says the remaining ice is very brittle due to the sun and warm temps, and at some point it reaches the state where ice first crystalizes. The ice then splinters, creating a racket in the process. One viewer emailed Mr. Sebesta claiming that it is known as "chandeleiring ice." Another friend of Jerrid's claims that a similar occurrence happened on the shores of Lake Mille Lacs back in 1994, leaving piles of ice shards so large they had to be removed by front end loaders. |
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mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 16203 |
QUOTE: QUOTE: very sad, I cant wrap my head around intentionally targeting and killing people this way,,,,, especially children there is also special groups that get them released the legal way, since the advancements of DNA tech. that is a result of your "innocents" being executed... and you seem sad they are gone, but yet i hear nothing of the people that put them there. I will always agree with the death penalty, but no system is perfect... it also seems just as sad that the innocents that are in prison for life, is that not the same as a death sentence? living in a 6x6 room for the rest of my life is worse than death... |
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QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: Just one of many well documented cases of the miscarriages of juctice, the above is the greatest miscarriage of justice in the American judicial systems history. not even close... i guess the 26 kids burned to death in waco by our government means nothing... but i guess bringing up racial issues from 70 years ago has it's meaning, it seems to follow the militant propaganda from your buddies at the NOI...
Uh, not so fast. Here is an excerpt from the Wikipedia entry titled "Waco siege": QUOTE: A Time poll conducted on August 26, 1999, for example, indicated that 61 percent of the public believed that federal law enforcement officials started the fire at the Branch Davidian complex.
In September of that year, Attorney General Reno appointed former U.S. Senator John C. Danforth as Special Counsel to investigate the matter. In particular, the Special Counsel was directed to investigate charges that government agents started or spread the fire at the Mount Carmel complex, directed gunfire at the Branch Davidians, and unlawfully employed the armed forces of the United States. A yearlong investigation ensued, during which the Office of the Special Counsel interviewed 1,001 witnesses, reviewed over 2.3 million pages of documents, and examined thousands of pounds of physical evidence. In the Final report to the Deputy Attorney General concerning the 1993 confrontation at the Mt. Carmel Complex, Waco Texas of November 8, 2000, Special Counsel Danforth concluded that the allegations were meritless. The report found, however, that certain government employees had failed to disclose during litigation against the Branch Davidians the use of pyrotechnic devices at the complex, and had obstructed the Special Counsel’s investigation. Disciplinary action was pursued against those individuals. Allegations that the government started the fire were based largely on an FBI agent’s having fired three "pyrotechnic" tear gas rounds, which are delivered with a charge that burns. The Special Counsel concluded that, because the FBI fired the rounds nearly four hours before the fire started, at a concrete construction pit partially filled with water, 75 feet (23 m) away and downwind from the main living quarters of the complex, the rounds did not start or contribute to the spread of the fire. The Special Counsel noted, by contrast, that recorded interceptions of Branch Davidian conversations included such statements as "David said we have to get the fuel on" and "So we light it first when they come in with the tank right [...] right as they’re coming in." Branch Davidians who survived the fire acknowledged that other Branch Davidians started the fire. FBI agents witnessed Branch Davidians pouring fuel and igniting a fire, and noted these observations contemporaneously. Lab analysis found accelerants on the clothing of Branch Davidians, and investigators found deliberately punctured fuel cans and a homemade torch at the site. Based on this evidence and testimony, the Special Counsel concluded that the fire was started by the Branch Davidians. So,the Danforth Report about Waco puts to rest the false claim that federal agents started the fire that destroyed the compound of the Branch Davidians in Waco, TX. To read a Chicago Tribune news report about the Danforth Report, click here. yea, nice report... Janet Reno told them to do it... who were the "1001" witnesses? the police had everyone held back from 5 miles away... the fire started when the tank went though the walls... |
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mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 16203 |
QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: State Murder is all it is. Nothing more nothing less. Should be abolished. It is uncivilised. Uh, the expression "state murder" is a contradiction of terms. Murder is the deliberate killing of a person that does not have the approval of the state. Whether or not it is civilized to execute people guilty of first-degree murder is a matter of personal opinion. state murder is a contradiction like same difference however, there is some substance to the idea since 'murder' laws can change over time I have repeatedly heard the holocaust being described using the term murder, even though at that place and time it was not illegal,,,, killing and working jews to death in hitlers Germany,,,, To do that to a Party-Approved German Arian was illegal! you forgot the retards and cripples too... Hitler didn't have much use for them either... |
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mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 16203 |
QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing. Socrates That is illogical. I know I exist. i think the truer quote from Socrates is: "For everything there is to know, all i really know is that i know nothing". meaning, he'll never gain all the knowledge of the universe... Then he should say what he means. No one will gain all the knowledge of the universe. The whole of mankind will never gain all the knowledge of the universe. Also, it is illogical to "know nothing." You can only know something. Nothing is unknowable because it does not exist.
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i thought this was about robots... i wanted to be a spaceship...
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QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: Just one of many well documented cases of the miscarriages of juctice, the above is the greatest miscarriage of justice in the American judicial systems history. not even close... i guess the 26 kids burned to death in waco by our government means nothing... but i guess bringing up racial issues from 70 years ago has it's meaning, it seems to follow the militant propaganda from your buddies at the NOI...
those kids were victims of their insane parents,, who were documented as the cause for the fire,,,,,,AFTER government lost four atf agents and still tried to negotiate for nearly 8 weeks,,,,, I don't think NOI members or the child in the OP would have received THAT PATIENT a response,,,, not the quite same level of 'miscarriage of justice' in my opinion,,, same level of tragedy though those kids were victims of an overzealous government... just like the boy the op was talking about. in the first place, nobody knows who killed the girls, it could have been the kid. the whole story was biasaly told from the point of view that kid was innocent. we don't know if he was or wasn't... but the racial motivations were very different back overthen... overzealous? I think a decision that takes 8weeks can not by any reasonable standard be considered 'overzealous' however a decision that takes 10 minutes,, perhaps might be,,,, 10 minutes? ...
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mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 16203 |
QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: State Murder is all it is. Nothing more nothing less. Should be abolished. It is uncivilised. Uh, the expression "state murder" is a contradiction of terms. Murder is the deliberate killing of a person that does not have the approval of the state. Whether or not it is civilized to execute people guilty of first-degree murder is a matter of personal opinion. name a time in history when "innocents" were not killed? history is full of injustices, most worse than ones before... burning witches, dragging people across the seas to use as slaves, children being kidnapped for use a sex slaves... IMO there should be more and faster executions... |
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mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 16203 |
QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: State Murder is all it is. Nothing more nothing less. Should be abolished. It is uncivilised. Uh, the expression "state murder" is a contradiction of terms. Murder is the deliberate killing of a person that does not have the approval of the state. Whether or not it is civilized to execute people guilty of first-degree murder is a matter of personal opinion. state murder is a contradiction like same difference however, there is some substance to the idea since 'murder' laws can change over time I have repeatedly heard the holocaust being described using the term murder, even though at that place and time it was not illegal,,,, depends on the point of view... |
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mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 16203 |
QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: Just one of many well documented cases of the miscarriages of juctice, the above is the greatest miscarriage of justice in the American judicial systems history. not even close... i guess the 26 kids burned to death in waco by our government means nothing... but i guess bringing up racial issues from 70 years ago has it's meaning, it seems to follow the militant propaganda from your buddies at the NOI...
those kids were victims of their insane parents,, who were documented as the cause for the fire,,,,,,AFTER government lost four atf agents and still tried to negotiate for nearly 8 weeks,,,,, I don't think NOI members or the child in the OP would have received THAT PATIENT a response,,,, not the quite same level of 'miscarriage of justice' in my opinion,,, same level of tragedy though those kids were victims of an overzealous government... just like the boy the op was talking about. in the first place, nobody knows who killed the girls, it could have been the kid. the whole story was biasaly told from the point of view that kid was innocent. we don't know if he was or wasn't... but the racial motivations were very different back then... |
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QUOTE: For the first time in four years, a group of people in Indianapolis are facing welfare fraud charges in federal court, Call 6 for Help's Rafael Sanchez reported Tuesday. Nazmiah Mustafa; her estranged husband, Ibrahim Abed; and four relatives are accused of lying to the Indianapolis Housing Authority to secure rent assistance. Authorities say the six failed to tell the government about the true income available to them, allowing them to receive vouchers for which they shouldn't have qualified. Since 2001, Indianapolis housing police have arrested 155 people on welfare fraud accusations. Of those 155, Mustafa, Abed and their relatives are the only ones to face charges in federal court instead of state court, Sanchez reported. FBI agent Keith Lourdeau said the six face federal charges because they comprised "somewhat of a ring -- an enterprise." "We try to look at people that are associated together and not just go after single individual people, because our resources are limited," Lourdeau said. Some of the income evidence cited in the case comes from evidence seized during raids and a defendant's ownership of a west-side Indianapolis grocery and restaurant, Holyland Halal Meats. Call 6 has learned that the business is the focus of a separate investigation. Mustafa said she believes she is being targeted because she is a Muslim. "I think they are going overboard because of my religion -- yes, I do," Mustafa said. "I think it's very ridiculous. I am upset because I was born and raised here." Martin Solomon, an attorney representing Mustafa and her sister-in-law -- one of the six facing charges -- says the women didn't know about their husbands' finances. "They are very surprised at the nature of the charges," Solomon said. Mustafa, Ibrahim and three relatives have pleaded not guilty. An arrest warrant has been issued for the sixth suspect. Call 6 was told that that person is overseas, Sanchez reported. always about race or religion... seems everyone but white people use that as their first excuse... |
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QUOTE: He broke my heart, I still love him, I feel like I have been cut in half and one half is missing, he is now going to be married to a horrid old witch, we were so incredibly right together, I won't ever find that again, Ii can't eat, sleep. Think, laugh, concentrate, I want him here again next to me, sharing smiles and love and our life.. didn't your parents teach you you can't have everything you want? get over it and move on, there are plenty of guys that would feel that way about you, why waste your time on one that doesn't? |
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QUOTE: Just one of many well documented cases of the miscarriages of juctice, the above is the greatest miscarriage of justice in the American judicial systems history. not even close... i guess the 26 kids burned to death in waco by our government means nothing... but i guess bringing up racial issues from 70 years ago has it's meaning, it seems to follow the militant propaganda from your buddies at the NOI...
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The Supreme Court saved Obamacare by deeming the law's individual mandate a 'tax.' But in that case, the law violates the Constitution's Origination Clause, which says all tax bills must originate in the House, not the Senate. Letting the law stand sets a dangerous precedent.
By Timothy Sandefur | Christian Science Monitor – 2 hrs 5 mins ago With tax day and IRS forms fresh in their minds, most Americans might think the US tax system couldn’t get any more daunting. But next year, some new complexity kicks in. One of the hotly debated features of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (or “Obamacare”) takes effect in 2014. Under the law’s “individual mandate,” nearly everyone who isn’t covered by an employer will have to buy health insurance or pay a penalty. This penalty was officially labeled a “tax” by the Supreme Court, or at least by five of the justices, in its decision on Obamacare last June. The Obama administration, however, never argued that the individual mandate is an exercise of Congress’s taxing authority. And as recently as October, in an interview with Rolling Stone magazine, President Obama avoided the “tax” justification, and still insisted that the individual mandate is a regulatory action authorized by the Commerce Clause. Just what Americans need: more confusion and ambiguity in their tax law. By calling the mandate to buy insurance a “tax,” the court did more than trigger new debates about semantics. It created a potentially fatal constitutional glitch in the law. Article I, Section 7 of the Constitution says that tax bills – “all bills for raising revenue” – must “originate in the House of Representatives.” The framers wrote this “Origination Clause” because they recognized the potential danger in the taxing power, and they wanted to keep it as close as possible to voters. So they entrusted it to members of the House, who are elected every two years and have smaller constituencies than senators, who represent whole states and serve staggered six-year terms. But Obamacare didn’t follow the constitutional script. Instead of originating in the lower chamber, it started in the Senate, when Majority Leader Harry Reid took an old bill the House had passed that would have given veterans tax credits to buy homes, struck out all of that bill’s language, and inserted instead the confusing web of provisions that became the Affordable Care Act. Was this “gut and amend” ploy valid? That question is now in front of US District Judge Beryl Howell in Washington, D.C., in a challenge to Obamacare filed on behalf of Matt Sissel, an Iowa small business owner who was decorated for service as a medic in the Iraq war. Obamacare was passed hastily, by lawmakers who admitted they had not read the bill. The legislation was passed during the holiday season, through questionable procedural tricks. It was never popular, and a recent Kaiser Family Foundation poll found that only 36 percent of Americans currently support the law. Even the Supreme Court’s liberal wing agreed that large parts of it were unconstitutional. In part of last June’s decision, Justices Stephen Breyer and Elena Kagan joined the conservatives to hold that Congress had illegally tried to force states to expand their Medicaid rolls. These are all good reasons not to give a reflexive pass to the law’s most controversial aspects – including the way it was enacted. The Supreme Court has never addressed whether the Senate can evade the Origination Clause by hollowing out a House bill and substituting its own tax. “If any act violates the Origination Clause, it would seem to be the Affordable Care Act,” Randy Barnett, a Georgetown University Law School professor and leading constitutional critic of Obamacare, has written. The Constitution’s procedural guidelines might seem like dry formalities. But such procedures were designed to safeguard the rights of the American people. And if last June’s Supreme Court decision is not to become a precedent for Congress to impose any variety of mandates on Americans under the taxing power, courts should take care to enforce democratic controls over that power. Timothy Sandefur is a principal attorney with Pacific Legal Foundation, a public-interest legal organization that litigates for limited government, individual rights, and free enterprise. He represents small business owner Matt Sissel in challenging the constitutionality of the Affordable Care Act’s individual mandate “tax.” |
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QUOTE: Let's not forget she was someone's daughter.
everyone is someones son or daughter... the guy picking his teeth is someones son too... |
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QUOTE: The math really doesn't work on things happening as stated. I think this might be a "science writer" screw up. 125,000 mph to a halt is enough to burn up almost anything. yahoo writers... need i say more?...lol it is puzzling because they say must meteorites are about the size of a grain of sand, and these seem like they could be bigger... |
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QUOTE: He was just hungry gosh
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An incoming comet that may well turn out to be the "comet of the century" could create an unusual kind of meteor shower, scientists say.
When Comet ISON passes by the Earth this year, it is possible that the dust sloughed off by the comet's tail will create an odd meteor shower when the planet passes through the stream of tiny particles that once were a part of the comet's tail. "Instead of burning up in a flash of light, they [the particles] will drift gently down to the Earth below," University of Western Ontario meteor scientist Paul Wiegert said in a statement. [See Photos of Comet ISON] The specks of dust will be travelling at a speed of 125,000 mph (201,168 km/h), but once they hit the Earth's atmosphere, they will slow to a halt, according to Wiegert's computer models. Because of this, observers on the ground probably won't be able to see the meteors as they fall through the atmosphere in January 2014, Wiegert added. "Don't expect to notice," NASA officials said of the shower in a press release. "The invisible rain of comet dust, if it occurs, would be very slow. It can take months or even years for fine dust to settle out of the high atmosphere." All hope for a brilliant show might not be lost, however. The dust from ISON could create "noctilucent clouds" — icy night-shining clouds above the Earth's poles that glow blue. "Electric-blue ripples over Earth's polar regions might be the only visible sign that a shower is underway," NASA officials said. ISON is on a course through the solar system, on its way toward the sun. At its closest pass, the comet will be within 730,000 miles (nearly 1.2 million kilometers) of the solar surface on Nov. 28. NASA's Swift spacecraft caught sight of the speeding comet in January when the ball of ice and dirt was discharging more than 112,000 pounds (50,802 kilograms) of dust every minute as it passed Jupiter. Wiegert made his calculations by using that data to understand where the dust might end up on Earth's orbit. It's possible that the comet will fizzle out before becoming visible from the Earth, burning up in the intense heat of the sun, or the heat from the star could make the comet shine even more brightly. Predicting the comet's behavior is particularly difficult because astronomers believe that this is the first time ISON has made it into the inner solar system from the Oort cloud — a distant mass of icy bodies that encircles the solar system. NASA is in the midst of a Comet ISON Observing Campaign. The space agency's initiative coordinates observatories in space and on the ground to track the comet as it makes its way toward the Earth. The Hubble Space Telescope and Swift are both part of this effort. ISON's official name is C/2012 S1 (ISON) and was discovered in September 2012 by amateur astronomers Artyom Novichonok and Vitali Nevski. images here: http://www.space.com/20859-comet-ison-new-meteor-shower.html
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QUOTE: QUOTE: The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing. Socrates That is illogical. I know I exist. i think the truer quote from Socrates is: "For everything there is to know, all i really know is that i know nothing". meaning, he'll never gain all the knowledge of the universe... |
not even close... i guess the 26 kids burned to death in waco by our government means nothing... but i guess bringing up racial issues from 70 years ago has it's meaning, it seems to follow the militant propaganda from your buddies at the NOI...