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Topic: The American Holocaust
Optomistic69's photo
Mon 10/08/12 03:19 AM
Why is it that we never hear of this holocaust.

100 Million






Iamnotyvescorbeil's photo
Mon 10/08/12 03:45 AM
Holocaust is a word that shouldn't be used as a metaphor to another tragedy. By we you must mean I and If your talking about american cable tv and radio no you won't hear about it.

Conrad_73's photo
Mon 10/08/12 04:01 AM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Mon 10/08/12 04:20 AM

Why is it that we never hear of this holocaust.

100 Million






Impossible,actually!slaphead

there is NO evidence of Urban Development to support a 100'000'000 People!

Of course the Myth makes good anti-American Copy,so what the heck!

http://custer.over-blog.com/article-11602057.html

Optomistic69's photo
Mon 10/08/12 04:50 AM
The American Indian Holocaust, know as the "500 year war" and the "World's Longest Holocaust In The History Of Mankind And Loss Of Human Lives."

http://www.unitednativeamerica.com/aiholocaust.html

Chazster's photo
Mon 10/08/12 05:46 AM

The American Indian Holocaust, know as the "500 year war" and the "World's Longest Holocaust In The History Of Mankind And Loss Of Human Lives."

http://www.unitednativeamerica.com/aiholocaust.html


That's funny. America isn't even 500 years old. You want to blame Europe for this one. England, France, and Spain. And I am pretty sure more died from disease then war.

s1owhand's photo
Mon 10/08/12 05:54 AM
It is worthwhile to take this Columbus Day holiday and remember the
Native Americans and how they were treated during European colonization.

Here is a Wiki article about it. I think it is an abuse of victims
memory and history to call it a "Holocaust". This is it's own unique
tragedy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_history_of_indigenous_peoples_of_the_Americas

willing2's photo
Mon 10/08/12 06:08 AM
Indians held slaves.
Only as many as they could afford to feed.
Used 'em for labor, sex, trading, target practice and bribery.

So, the OP is defending slave traders

Conrad_73's photo
Mon 10/08/12 06:35 AM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Mon 10/08/12 06:53 AM

The American Indian Holocaust, know as the "500 year war" and the "World's Longest Holocaust In The History Of Mankind And Loss Of Human Lives."

http://www.unitednativeamerica.com/aiholocaust.html
there simply were no 100million Natives around,regardless how good a story it makes!slaphead

from OP's Link!

http://www.bluecorncomics.com/smallpox.htm

http://tinyurl.com/8z9g48m

metalwing's photo
Mon 10/08/12 07:36 AM
From Wiki:

The differences in cultures between the established Native Americans and immigrant Europeans, as well as shifting alliances among different nations of each culture through the centuries, caused extensive political tension, ethnic violence and social disruption. The Native Americans suffered high fatalities from the contact with infectious Eurasian diseases, to which they had no acquired immunity. Epidemics after European contact caused the greatest loss of life for indigenous populations. Estimates of the pre-Columbian population of what today constitutes the U.S. vary significantly, ranging from 1 million to 18 million.[4][5]...

...Estimating the number of Native Americans living in what is today the United States of America before the arrival of the European explorers and settlers has been the subject of much debate. While it is difficult to determine exactly how many Natives lived in North America before Columbus,[48] estimates range from a low of 2.1 million (Ubelaker 1976) to 7 million people (Russell Thornton) to a high of 18 million (Dobyns 1983).[49] A low estimate of around 1 million was first posited by the anthropologist James Mooney in the 1890s, by calculating population density of each culture area based on its carrying capacity. In 1965, the American anthropologist Henry Dobyns published studies estimating the original population to have been 10 to 12 million. By 1983, he increased his estimates to 18 million.[50]

He took into account the mortality rates caused by infectious diseases of European explorers and settlers, against which Native Americans had no immunity. Dobyns combined the known mortality rates of these diseases among native people with reliable population records of the 19th century, to calculate the probable size of the original populations.[4][5] By 1800, the Native population of the present-day United States had declined to approximately 600,000, and only 250,000 Native Americans remained in the 1890s.[5


Perhaps the above would explain why it is not taught that 100 million were killed.

Of course if it is a conspiracy story, there is always a few that will believe anything ... but the truth.

Ras427's photo
Mon 10/08/12 07:49 AM
Call it Holocaust or genocide, but right from the very start the European settlers were begging their British king to destroy the "savages" faster then he already was. It was one of the reasons they listed in their Declaration of Independence that caused them to want to seperate from England. Merchants, many of them Jewish, supplied the British, French and American armies ETHNICALLY CLEANSE the indiginous Native Americans from their ancient lands. Once the bloody deed was done and the murderous armies retreated, it was those merchants who surveyed and divided the land into lots and began selling them to white settlers. This land "value" was created out of thin air and these properties and their rights were then protected by the US goverment. Legendary "frontiersmen" like Danial Boone were actually surveyers in the employ of these merchants, and some of Boones reciepts are actually in yiddish. Massacres netted white settlers just that, MASS ACRES of free land. In harmony with the massacres were the dreadfull concoctions of deceases that reduced the natives to insignificant numbers. The 100 million is a number hard to confirm, however the millions stem from the North, central, South America, the Caribean and Canada. Call it Holocaust, or genocide, it does nt matter, if Colombus has a holiday, imagin the uproar if Hitler had one.

Conrad_73's photo
Mon 10/08/12 07:53 AM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Mon 10/08/12 08:01 AM
wondered how long until the Thread become a Springboard for a certain THING!
Well,not disappointed!:laughing:

It took that expected Left-turn at Albuquerque.

USmale47374's photo
Mon 10/08/12 07:53 AM
Has no one read about the "Trail of Tears?"

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Mon 10/08/12 07:56 AM
Edited by jake978 on Mon 10/08/12 08:00 AM
so glad you know more about my Race then I do mad "America" was founded by terrorist and people forcing a Middle eastern religion on people that already had a religion!!! keep that in mind when you complain about illegals and Muslims!!!

Conrad_73's photo
Mon 10/08/12 08:00 AM

Has no one read about the "Trail of Tears?"
yep,what we are disputing are the Hundred nonexistent Millions,and certain other Myths!

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Mon 10/08/12 08:04 AM

Indians held slaves.
Only as many as they could afford to feed.
Used 'em for labor, sex, trading, target practice and bribery.

So, the OP is defending slave traders



Not all tribes where the same please do some research before you put us all in one stereotype!!!

Ras427's photo
Mon 10/08/12 08:11 AM
Edited by Ras427 on Mon 10/08/12 08:45 AM
Later, President Andrew Jackson's INDIAN REMOVAL ACT of 1830 iniciated a series of massacres and wars against the Indian nations, killing most and evicting the rest from their own land. This policy imprisoned the survivors on approximately 310 "reservations", where they can be found today. Ultimately the Indian Holocaust netted for the settlers 2.3 billion acres of free land.

Conrad_73's photo
Mon 10/08/12 08:22 AM
The Indian Removal Act is today highly controversial. While most European Americans during this time favored the passage of the Indian Removal Act, there was significant opposition. Many Christian missionaries, most notably missionary organizer Jeremiah Evarts, protested against passage of the Act. Future U.S. President Abraham Lincoln also opposed the Indian Removal Act. In Congress, New Jersey Senator Theodore Frelinghuysen and Congressman Davy Crockett of Tennessee spoke out against the legislation. The Removal Act was passed after bitter debate in Congress.[6]WIKI

In the 1823 case of Johnson v. M'Intosh, the Supreme Court handed down a decision which stated that Indians could occupy lands within the United States, but could not hold title to those lands.[9] Jackson, as was common before the Civil War, viewed the union as a federation of sovereign states. He opposed Washington’s policy of establishing treaties with Indian tribes as if they were foreign nations. Thus, the creation of Indian jurisdictions was a violation of state sovereignty under Article IV, Section 3 of the Constitution. As Jackson saw it either Indians comprise sovereign states (which violated the constitution) or they are subject to the laws of existing states of the Union. Jackson urged Indians to assimilate and obey state laws. He believed he could only accommodate the desire for Indian self-rule in federal territory and that required re-settlement west of the Mississippi River on federal land.[10][11][dubious – discuss]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Removal_Act

Hikerjohn's photo
Mon 10/08/12 08:25 AM


Indians held slaves.
Only as many as they could afford to feed.
Used 'em for labor, sex, trading, target practice and bribery.

So, the OP is defending slave traders



Not all tribes where the same please do some research before you put us all in one stereotype!!!


And not all settlers were mass killers. Some were fleeing their own persecution and exile of there native ancient lands.

And I have no idea what my Great Great Great grand father did. I know he probably liked pasta.

Ras427's photo
Mon 10/08/12 08:34 AM
THE DAWES ACT: Massachusetts congressmen Henry L. Dawes drafted fderal legisslation enacted in 1887 which ordered the "registering" of Indians so that they can recieve an allotment of their own land. But to get on the "Dawes Rolles", Native Americans had to anglcize their names. This allowed White officials to slip the names of their relatives and friends onto the Dawes Rolles and reap millions of acres of land. In one state alone, the 138 million acres of Indian held land at the time of the Dawes Act in 1887 had been reduced to close to nothing by 1934, when the Act was repealed. Colombus never came to America, yet what followed was indeed a holocaust throughout North, central and south America, along with the caribean. Whether 100 million or less matters little. What is certain is from Colombus's own genocidal practices in the caribean, followed by France, the Dutch, English, and Portugues along with Spain, Holocaust is a fair and accurate description on the foundation of America.

Conrad_73's photo
Mon 10/08/12 08:41 AM
amazing that some people don't leave the Country which apparently is beyond Redemption,and seems it always has been!

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