Topic: Welfare myths
msharmony's photo
Wed 01/02/13 11:49 PM
Welfare

http://jacksonville.com/opinion/blog/400605/stanley-scott/2012-01-10/eight-great-myths-about-welfare



InvictusV's photo
Thu 01/03/13 01:28 PM
This is poorly put together..

Here is an example

MYTH: Poverty and homelessness have grown in spite of the trillions of dollars spent since 1965 to help the poor; therefore, these programs have failed.

FACT: These programs have succeeded and are succeeding in getting people out of poverty and homelessness.

If these programs have been a success then why the increase in child poverty rates?

Percent of children below the poverty level (U.S. Bureau of the Census, Current Population Reports, P60-185)
1970 14.9%
1975 16.8
1980 19.5
1985 20.1
1990 19.9
1992 21.1


oldhippie1952's photo
Thu 01/03/13 01:32 PM

This is poorly put together..

Here is an example

MYTH: Poverty and homelessness have grown in spite of the trillions of dollars spent since 1965 to help the poor; therefore, these programs have failed.

FACT: These programs have succeeded and are succeeding in getting people out of poverty and homelessness.

If these programs have been a success then why the increase in child poverty rates?

Percent of children below the poverty level (U.S. Bureau of the Census, Current Population Reports, P60-185)
1970 14.9%
1975 16.8
1980 19.5
1985 20.1
1990 19.9
1992 21.1




Perhaps because poverty/homelessness have grown faster than the success rate.

Bestinshow's photo
Thu 01/03/13 01:34 PM

This is poorly put together..

Here is an example

MYTH: Poverty and homelessness have grown in spite of the trillions of dollars spent since 1965 to help the poor; therefore, these programs have failed.

FACT: These programs have succeeded and are succeeding in getting people out of poverty and homelessness.

If these programs have been a success then why the increase in child poverty rates?

Percent of children below the poverty level (U.S. Bureau of the Census, Current Population Reports, P60-185)
1970 14.9%
1975 16.8
1980 19.5
1985 20.1
1990 19.9
1992 21.1


Reaganomics

InvictusV's photo
Thu 01/03/13 01:43 PM


This is poorly put together..

Here is an example

MYTH: Poverty and homelessness have grown in spite of the trillions of dollars spent since 1965 to help the poor; therefore, these programs have failed.

FACT: These programs have succeeded and are succeeding in getting people out of poverty and homelessness.

If these programs have been a success then why the increase in child poverty rates?

Percent of children below the poverty level (U.S. Bureau of the Census, Current Population Reports, P60-185)
1970 14.9%
1975 16.8
1980 19.5
1985 20.1
1990 19.9
1992 21.1


Reaganomics


Well.. The largest increase occurred between 75 and 80.. Carter was elected in 76 took office in 77.. Reagan elected in 80 took office in 81..

I didn't realize reaganomics began under carter..


Toodygirl5's photo
Thu 01/03/13 02:14 PM
Edited by Toodygirl5 on Thu 01/03/13 02:24 PM
Public Assistance and the Welfare Way of Life: Is Government Benefit Dependence an Inherited Behavior?

Tracy Morrison, Yahoo! Contributor Network
Nov 1, 2011 "Share your voice on Yahoo! websites.

Welfare benefits were initially established as a federal assistance program during the Great Depression. Congress established Aid to Dependent Children in late 1935. This program focused much needed aid to widows, orphans, divorced or single mothers and their dependent children that were direly affected by the great depression.

Bill Clinton's presidential campaign promised to "end welfare as we know it". In 1994 Congress attempted to change the Welfare system that existed at that time. Bill Clinton did sign into law the Personal Responsibility & Work Opportunity Act in August 1996. The bill thus ended the welfare burden on the Federal Government and replaced it with a generous grant providing $16.5 billion per year to all U S States to assist in helping needy families.

The welfare system was never created so Americans could live off of benefits provided by Federal and State government services in lieu of getting productive jobs and being self supporting, As stated before, the Welfare system was originally designed for woman, children and destitute families effected by the depression, It has since gone on to help support the country's needy in times of hardship. It was not instituted so young people, not even old enough to drive a car, graduate from high school or even consent to sex in the first place(depending on the local state laws) to get pregnant, have a child with no means of support so they can simply "get a check". This is a phrase that can easily incite anger and very heated discussions about the millions that are knowingly draining the benefit system as their own personal ATM.

But are they doing so knowingly or is it a learned behavior passed on from their living environment at home as a child? Mixed with the ease of obtaining Welfare benefits and the ability to get paid to sit at home and raise children born into the system for nothing more than an avenue for free handouts, an inherited disease has slowly grown into a massive epidemic in this country,

Welfare benefits are more easily obtained in the US then in any other country on the planet. Many world governments do not have the resources to facilitate a benefit system the size of ours. Making benefits harder to come by is not always the answer.

In years past, Americans applying for benefits simply needed to provide an ID and birth certificates for any minor children. Some states have implemented better investigative information systems but that costs money and it takes away from services provided. So much information is available on the information highway such as credit and rental history, prior employment information, criminal records and limited banking information.

Why aren't local governments spending money to investigate the worthiness of benefit applicants? Are local authority's going after the individuals that are collecting benefits illegally ? Would local governments benefit from allowing private law firms to pursue these fraudulent applicants to try and recover some of the illegally obtained benefits? Should welfare be handled or verified by 3rd party agencies in order to reduce the risk of fraud?

Many system "reforming" questions exist today because a once simple and centralized help system grew into a 50 state money generating machine. Some think reform and regulation is impossible at this magnitude, but dwindling resources and cut budgets are draining the already overburdened system. Reform is necessary and inevitable as the states struggle to support the many needy Americans in this economy.

Preventing the masses from being habitual collectors of welfare and living off the system indefinately will require a total system overhaul and reorganiztion. It is necessary and imperitiave if the welfare system is to continue as it was created, to help those in need TEMPORARILY. The welfare benefit system was NOT designed as a an outlet for people to have children every 3 years to live off and state and not work.

Perhaps state governments should look to privatization by third party management firms awarded to the lowest bidder in order to save money and maximize benefits? This is a large and complicated issue and until all state legislations come together to adopt a uniform system of verification and regulation, the system will become a more and more complex problem.



willing2's photo
Thu 01/03/13 02:32 PM
Goes back to DC.

The states are being paid an incentive to increase their case loads.

Don't believe it? Google it.

The more rats getting free cheese, the more dependent they are on DC. They can be controlled and manipulated much easier.

TBRich's photo
Thu 01/03/13 06:25 PM
Statistically, out of all the different groups of women, the black woman has the highest employment rate, albeit often at wages that leave them in poverty.

Ruth34611's photo
Thu 01/03/13 07:37 PM
Edited by Ruth34611 on Thu 01/03/13 07:38 PM
There are regular commercials on the radio stations here for the Cal-Fresh (food stamps) program. The commercial says that even if you have an income you may still qualify and that you should contact them to find out. It is a sales pitch for welfare.

msharmony's photo
Thu 01/03/13 11:34 PM

Public Assistance and the Welfare Way of Life: Is Government Benefit Dependence an Inherited Behavior?

Tracy Morrison, Yahoo! Contributor Network
Nov 1, 2011 "Share your voice on Yahoo! websites.

Welfare benefits were initially established as a federal assistance program during the Great Depression. Congress established Aid to Dependent Children in late 1935. This program focused much needed aid to widows, orphans, divorced or single mothers and their dependent children that were direly affected by the great depression.

Bill Clinton's presidential campaign promised to "end welfare as we know it". In 1994 Congress attempted to change the Welfare system that existed at that time. Bill Clinton did sign into law the Personal Responsibility & Work Opportunity Act in August 1996. The bill thus ended the welfare burden on the Federal Government and replaced it with a generous grant providing $16.5 billion per year to all U S States to assist in helping needy families.

The welfare system was never created so Americans could live off of benefits provided by Federal and State government services in lieu of getting productive jobs and being self supporting, As stated before, the Welfare system was originally designed for woman, children and destitute families effected by the depression, It has since gone on to help support the country's needy in times of hardship. It was not instituted so young people, not even old enough to drive a car, graduate from high school or even consent to sex in the first place(depending on the local state laws) to get pregnant, have a child with no means of support so they can simply "get a check". This is a phrase that can easily incite anger and very heated discussions about the millions that are knowingly draining the benefit system as their own personal ATM.

But are they doing so knowingly or is it a learned behavior passed on from their living environment at home as a child? Mixed with the ease of obtaining Welfare benefits and the ability to get paid to sit at home and raise children born into the system for nothing more than an avenue for free handouts, an inherited disease has slowly grown into a massive epidemic in this country,

Welfare benefits are more easily obtained in the US then in any other country on the planet. Many world governments do not have the resources to facilitate a benefit system the size of ours. Making benefits harder to come by is not always the answer.

In years past, Americans applying for benefits simply needed to provide an ID and birth certificates for any minor children. Some states have implemented better investigative information systems but that costs money and it takes away from services provided. So much information is available on the information highway such as credit and rental history, prior employment information, criminal records and limited banking information.

Why aren't local governments spending money to investigate the worthiness of benefit applicants? Are local authority's going after the individuals that are collecting benefits illegally ? Would local governments benefit from allowing private law firms to pursue these fraudulent applicants to try and recover some of the illegally obtained benefits? Should welfare be handled or verified by 3rd party agencies in order to reduce the risk of fraud?

Many system "reforming" questions exist today because a once simple and centralized help system grew into a 50 state money generating machine. Some think reform and regulation is impossible at this magnitude, but dwindling resources and cut budgets are draining the already overburdened system. Reform is necessary and inevitable as the states struggle to support the many needy Americans in this economy.

Preventing the masses from being habitual collectors of welfare and living off the system indefinately will require a total system overhaul and reorganiztion. It is necessary and imperitiave if the welfare system is to continue as it was created, to help those in need TEMPORARILY. The welfare benefit system was NOT designed as a an outlet for people to have children every 3 years to live off and state and not work.

Perhaps state governments should look to privatization by third party management firms awarded to the lowest bidder in order to save money and maximize benefits? This is a large and complicated issue and until all state legislations come together to adopt a uniform system of verification and regulation, the system will become a more and more complex problem.





its kind of like the old information about minorities having such lower iqs.....the information that gets recirculated really isnt resarched against the MODERN facts

the cash assistance most families receive ,,,that most think of when talking about 'welfare',, have a FIVE YEAR cap per lifetime

thats hardly creating a legacy where families are able to sit at home and 'raise' families,,,,unless the average family has raised their kids in five years,,,



msharmony's photo
Thu 01/03/13 11:35 PM

Statistically, out of all the different groups of women, the black woman has the highest employment rate, albeit often at wages that leave them in poverty.



the modern system also requires a good portion of recipients to 'work' for those 'handouts',,,for employers who are all too able to afford that free employment that they would never HIRE on for pay,,,,,

msharmony's photo
Thu 01/03/13 11:37 PM

There are regular commercials on the radio stations here for the Cal-Fresh (food stamps) program. The commercial says that even if you have an income you may still qualify and that you should contact them to find out. It is a sales pitch for welfare.



people can make income and still be poor,, still have hard times making ends meet,,,,,

its about the income, but so many assume that an insufficient income only happens because of an unwillingness to work,,,,

Ruth34611's photo
Fri 01/04/13 07:27 AM


There are regular commercials on the radio stations here for the Cal-Fresh (food stamps) program. The commercial says that even if you have an income you may still qualify and that you should contact them to find out. It is a sales pitch for welfare.



people can make income and still be poor,, still have hard times making ends meet,,,,,

its about the income, but so many assume that an insufficient income only happens because of an unwillingness to work,,,,


That wasn't my point at all. But I wouldn't expect you to get it.

msharmony's photo
Fri 01/04/13 07:31 AM
I kind of thought 'pitch for welfare' , was self explanatory,,,,

Ruth34611's photo
Fri 01/04/13 07:46 AM

I kind of thought 'pitch for welfare' , was self explanatory,,,,


Good. You understood that part.

I was going to further discuss this here. But I think I'll pass. It's pointless to even try.

msharmony's photo
Fri 01/04/13 07:52 AM


This is poorly put together..

Here is an example

MYTH: Poverty and homelessness have grown in spite of the trillions of dollars spent since 1965 to help the poor; therefore, these programs have failed.

FACT: These programs have succeeded and are succeeding in getting people out of poverty and homelessness.

If these programs have been a success then why the increase in child poverty rates?

Percent of children below the poverty level (U.S. Bureau of the Census, Current Population Reports, P60-185)
1970 14.9%
1975 16.8
1980 19.5
1985 20.1
1990 19.9
1992 21.1




Perhaps because poverty/homelessness have grown faster than the success rate.



bingo!!



"...the moral test of government is how that government treats those who are in the dawn of life, the children; those who are in the twilight of life, the elderly; those who are in the shadows of life; the sick, the needy and the handicapped. "
~Last Speech of Hubert H. Humphrey




...better jobs, which keep up with cost of living, would be ideal,,,but wouldnt make the fat cats as much increasing profit,,,