Topic: Anti Violence Credo
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Sun 03/17/13 09:33 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/un-adopts-plan-combat-violence-against-women-012129730.html

I was glas to see this pass! Though I do hope it includes language that rejects violence against anyone irrespective of age or gender, I think the regressive religious practices in some part of the world require a text that emphasizes non violence against females.

So guys before getting bent out of shape...just read some of the recent writings of groups such as Egypt's Muslim Britherhood. A bunch of kooks. It is because of people like them that women do, unfortunately, need special protections.

Way to go UN - finally some worthwhile action!

oldhippie1952's photo
Sun 03/17/13 09:38 AM
Yeah, but does it have any teeth? I think it needs some fearsome teeth!

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Sun 03/17/13 09:42 AM
pleasant gesture,,,,

what jerks would support violence against women for any reason anyhow?

not sure if we should force or can force other countries to abandon their own cultures though when they are reilgious based,particularly where family units are involved, just becuase our own is free from religion doesnt make it the 'right' or only way

our families have suffered greatly from alot of the 'freedoms' we adopted,,,,imho

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Sun 03/17/13 09:53 AM

Yeah, but does it have any teeth? I think it needs some fearsome teeth!


Iagree but usually the mind is the first thing to change

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Sun 03/17/13 09:55 AM


Yeah, but does it have any teeth? I think it needs some fearsome teeth!


Iagree but usually the mind is the first thing to change


Maybe we could get the IMF to withhold funds for non compliance. Except that would probably hurt women and children the most. frustrated

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Sun 03/17/13 09:57 AM

pleasant gesture,,,,

what jerks would support violence against women for any reason anyhow?

not sure if we should force or can force other countries to abandon their own cultures though when they are reilgious based,particularly where family units are involved, just becuase our own is free from religion doesnt make it the 'right' or only way

our families have suffered greatly from alot of the 'freedoms' we adopted,,,,imho

it's international , and that is GREAT! (rather than just the west being perceived as Big Brother)

the interesting thing about this - if u read it - is that Egypt was part of the consensus. the need for the consensus is a message to conservative religious whackos that it won't be tolerated. it also sends a message at the end which specifies that culture and tradition is NOT an excuse for violence. as far as who would support this type of violence....oh goodness harmony, where have u been?ohwell

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Sun 03/17/13 09:59 AM



Yeah, but does it have any teeth? I think it needs some fearsome teeth!


Iagree but usually the mind is the first thing to change


Maybe we could get the IMF to withhold funds for non compliance. Except that would probably hurt women and children the most. frustrated


as soon as I read your comment the first thing that I started thinking is what could be a work around for that

then I think of Iran and those sanctions. tough call. IMF money is probably siphoned to dictatorships in some cases anyway.

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Sun 03/17/13 10:07 AM
What would be great is if women and children were guaranteed free passage and help settling in other countries.

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Sun 03/17/13 10:10 AM
Edited by msharmony on Sun 03/17/13 10:11 AM
I dont know, western culture barely wants to take care of the impoverished and dislocated women and children of their own countries,,,


we dont want them beaten and killed (and I know Im sounding like pro choice advocates speaking about pro life advocates), but we dont want to take care of them either,,,,,

these women and children would have to eat and have shelter from somewhere, and they would have to acquire skills and adapt to the culture enough to be employed, and then there would be convincing them to LEAVE THEIR CHILDREN to go to a job,,,,

I dont think such a guarantee would happen without the same financial guidelines we already have in place for immigration,,,

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Sun 03/17/13 10:14 AM
It is a tough dilemma. But a UN vote won't stop it from happening. Countries that want to ignore it will.

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Sun 03/17/13 10:17 AM
another empty Gesture by the Untied Nations to justify its existence!

The institutional thinking of many Nations would have to change,before you could even think about taking an International Resolution like that!

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Sun 03/17/13 10:20 AM

It is a tough dilemma. But a UN vote won't stop it from happening. Countries that want to ignore it will.


no law stops anything from happening completely, but it does sometimes mark the beginning of a change in the cutlure

we still have women who choose to stay at home, and women who feel obligated to stay at home, even though our lawa have made them 'equal' to men

but the culture changed to one where women feel the obligation to stay home much less often than they once did...

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Sun 03/17/13 11:10 AM
It's a nice gesture, but it is another non-binding resolution.









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Sun 03/17/13 02:27 PM

What would be great is if women and children were guaranteed free passage and help settling in other countries.


I agree but it's a slippery slope at a time when people are wary about the financial lay out that would require

but for some cases there is a path for asylum that already exists

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Sun 03/17/13 02:29 PM

another empty Gesture by the Untied Nations to justify its existence!

The institutional thinking of many Nations would have to change,before you could even think about taking an International Resolution like that!


I agree as I said before it is the mind that must first change. because of that I do not see it as an empty gesture

but of course u are entitled to your opinion
the reason I so not see it as an empty gesture is the participation of Egpyt's representative at the rick of losing her position

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Sun 03/17/13 02:30 PM

It's a nice gesture, but it is another non-binding resolution.











as the UN is not a police force that is true. but it puts the message out there...that is the beginning. generally speaking, "Rome was not built in a day"

this has taken far too long IMOflowerforyou

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Sun 03/17/13 02:42 PM


It's a nice gesture, but it is another non-binding resolution.











as the UN is not a police force that is true. but it puts the message out there...that is the beginning. generally speaking, "Rome was not built in a day"

this has taken far too long IMOflowerforyou
so,what is the UN then,if not a Global,albeit extremely ineffective Policeforce?
Only other thing I can think of,and that is a Meddler into everyone's Affairs,especially where they have no business to be,and ignoring things they ought to speak out on!

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Sun 03/17/13 02:57 PM



It's a nice gesture, but it is another non-binding resolution.











as the UN is not a police force that is true. but it puts the message out there...that is the beginning. generally speaking, "Rome was not built in a day"

this has taken far too long IMOflowerforyou
so,what is the UN then,if not a Global,albeit extremely ineffective Policeforce?
Only other thing I can think of,and that is a Meddler into everyone's Affairs,especially where they have no business to be,and ignoring things they ought to speak out on!


not with a nonbinding resolution....they are speaking out on something they should be speaking out on. I think you need your milk and crackers before your nap

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Wed 03/20/13 04:15 PM


pleasant gesture,,,,

what jerks would support violence against women for any reason anyhow?

not sure if we should force or can force other countries to abandon their own cultures though when they are reilgious based,particularly where family units are involved, just becuase our own is free from religion doesnt make it the 'right' or only way

our families have suffered greatly from alot of the 'freedoms' we adopted,,,,imho

it's international , and that is GREAT! (rather than just the west being perceived as Big Brother)

the interesting thing about this - if u read it - is that Egypt was part of the consensus. the need for the consensus is a message to conservative religious whackos that it won't be tolerated. it also sends a message at the end which specifies that culture and tradition is NOT an excuse for violence. as far as who would support this type of violence....oh goodness harmony, where have u been?ohwell


Cute, ahh chucks sweet and full of feel good golly-jee-whiz ludicrous crap. This has about as much power of law enforcement as the UN's declarations against slavery. Many countries signed those, including the very countries that turn a blind eye to slave auctions and kidnapping of children and women for slave rings operating in and around those same countries. I've personally watched UN personnel laugh and make jokes at the people being offered up for sale while getting stoned on hash or drunk at villages having the auctions...even taking photos of themselves with the slavers.Trouble is no one, anywhere really cares enough to actually stop it except by cheap words. The UN Security council has special intervention forces that could be used, but they need permission first by the offending country's govt. Ludicrous and downright insane. Bureaucratic hordes of the severely mentally-ill must have drafted those protocols. The paper that they are printed on are worth less than toilet paper. If one documents cases and informs the proper UN dept. they may be barred from even entering the UN building in NY. What they desperately need is a Neutron Bomb dropped on their HQ.

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Fri 03/22/13 02:36 AM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Fri 03/22/13 03:05 AM




It's a nice gesture, but it is another non-binding resolution.











as the UN is not a police force that is true. but it puts the message out there...that is the beginning. generally speaking, "Rome was not built in a day"

this has taken far too long IMOflowerforyou
so,what is the UN then,if not a Global,albeit extremely ineffective Policeforce?
Only other thing I can think of,and that is a Meddler into everyone's Affairs,especially where they have no business to be,and ignoring things they ought to speak out on!


not with a nonbinding resolution....they are speaking out on something they should be speaking out on. I think you need your milk and crackers before your nap
well,ain't that sweet!laugh

Have you ever looked at the Composition of the United Nations?
If you did,what does it tell you?bigsmile