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GIBBERISH!

don't put this on the troops cbx. i understand what you are saying but they don't have an option or obligation to reject orders for a specific war for any reason other than if it puts them in unecessary harm and that is even hard to accomplish.



Historically, many conscientious objectors have been executed, imprisoned, or sanctioned when their beliefs led to actions conflicting with their society's legal system or government. The legal definition and status of conscientious objection has varied over the years and from nation to nation. Religious beliefs were a starting point in many nations for legally granting conscientious objection status. Acceptable grounds for granting conscientious objector status have broadened in many countries.

A 1971 United States Supreme Court decision broadened U.S. rules beyond religious belief but denied the inclusion of objections to specific wars as grounds for conscientious objection.[1] Some desiring to include the objection to specific wars distinguish between wars of offensive aggression and defensive wars while others contend that religious, moral, or ethical opposition to war need not be absolute or consistent but may depend on circumstance or political conviction.

Currently, the U.S. Selective Service System states, "Beliefs which qualify a registrant for conscientious objector status may be religious in nature, but don't have to be. Beliefs may be moral or ethical; however, a man's reasons for not wanting to participate in a war must not be based on politics, expediency, or self-interest. In general, the man's lifestyle prior to making his claim must reflect his current claims."[2] In the US, this applies to primary claims, that is, those filed on initial SSS registration. On the other hand, those who apply after either having registered without filing, and/or having attempted or effected a deferral, are specifically required to demonstrate a discrete and documented change in belief, including a precipitant, that converted a non-CO to a CO. The male reference is due to the current "male only" basis for conscription in the United States.

COs willing to perform non-combatant military functions are classed 1-A-O by the U.S.; those unwilling to serve at all are 1-O.

Conscientious objection and doing civilian service has, in many countries, evolved into a veritable institution. Today in Germany, civil servants who are fulfilling their service in the nursing or social domain bear a huge part of the respective workload. It is believed that abolishing the draft—and with that, the compulsory civil service for objectors—would plunge hospitals and nursing homes into severe trouble.

CBX,

I am an American Soldier.

I am a Warrior and member of a team. I serve the people of the United States and live the Army Values.

I will always place the mission first.

I will never accept defeat.

I will never quit.

I will never leave a fallen comrade.

I am disciplined,. physically and mentally tough, trained and proficient in my warrior tasks and drills. I always maintain my arms, my equipment and myself.

I am an expert and I am a professional.

I stand ready to deploy, engage, and destroy the enemies of the United States of America in close combat.

I am guardian of freedom and the American way of life.

I am an American Soldier.

THIS IS MY RIFLE. There are many like it, but this one is mine. My rifle is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life.
My rifle, without me is useless. Without my rifle, I am useless. I must fire my rifle true. I must shoot straighter than my enemy who is trying to kill me. I must shoot him before he shoots me. I will....
My rifle and myself know that what counts in war is not the rounds we fire, the noise of our burst, nor the smoke we make. We know that it is the hits that count. We will hit....
My rifle is human, even as I, because it is my life. Thus, I will learn it as a brother. I will learn its weaknesses, its strength, its parts, its accessories, its sights and its barrel. I will ever guard it against the ravages of weather and damage. I will keep my rifle clean and ready, even as I am clean and ready. We will become part of each other. We will....
Before God I swear this creed. My rifle and myself are the defenders of my country. We are the masters of our enemy. We are the saviors of my life.
So be it, until there is no enemy, but Peace!

I am a United States Sailor.
I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States of America and I will obey the orders of those appointed over me.
I represent the fighting spirit of the Navy and those who have gone before me to defend freedom and democracy around the world.
I proudly serve my country's Navy combat team with Honor, Courage and Commitment.
I am committed to excellence and the fair treatment of all.

thanks for the post dayv. if more of our society still placed an empahsis on those kinds of qualities everyones lives would be a lot better.

Kingbreeze - I'm NOT talking about conscientious objection.
I'm talking about military law and any serviceman's right to refuse direct orders if they're unlawful.

dayv, when you learn to speak I'll speak to you.

they don't hold any weight when going to war because who's to say that the war is illegal? you're going to be prosecuted by the same people that said the war was legal to begin with unless you went to another country.

What's yer problem dude, Just filling in some stuff you missed cause obviously you don't sh*t BOY.

OOOH! another toughguy! Can I feel those big sweaty muscles,
you big strong man?

^^

eww, sorry dude, I don't roll that way!

Don't sweat him, Davy. He's yet another in a long line of clowns who hasn't left the "friendly" confines of his mother's basement yet--and probably never will. Apparantly, mommy bought him a computer to keep him out of her hair, and he's been playing around with it ever since. This is the type of clown that causes everyone on a dating site to be painted with the same brush.

The troops, cbx, work daily to give ungrateful vermin such as yourself the right to sit in mommy's basement and spew the ignorance we all on here have come to expect from you. Personally, you're beneath contempt. but you're probably loving every word of this--after all, someone other than your mommy is finally paying a bit of attention to you. Say hello to mommy for us all when she tucks you in, OK?

Knox you got me stumped, I see nothing in the original post that blames Clinton for any of the attacks in the 80 merely that he classed the terrorists as criminals and that we are still trying to catch some of them. That is a plain fact don't go toward blame as far as I can see. How you can see blame for clinton in that is beyond me. I would have to agree with him that they are criminals and although they have not been caught yet they should know that we will never stop hunting them.

Gee, "dayv", you're real modest - The military must have really taught you humility. (And YOU'RE the one who chooses to get sweaty
with other men) - Knoxman, I'd watch what you say about mothers
(Yours is still picking my pubes from her lips)

Dayv - Go on and keep telling yourself you're doing something
real noble, instead of the truth - that you're just a thug with acess to weapons.

What's that smock you're wearing, knoxman? Are you a dentist?
Ice-cream man? Proctologist?

Dayv my prayers are with you. Thank you for all you have done.

cbx I find it rather amussing that when some people can't find facts to support their argument they invent them. 3 million killed, same bogus statistics same lame lament. Then comes the name calling and threats. Perhaps some day you will mature enough to conduct a rational discussion.

O.K. gardenforge, How many dead civilians in Vietnam?
(Oh, right.. That answer's not in the bible..)

cbx you are becoming totally irrational you can't even seem to stick to the subject. Perhaps you need to seek professional mental help.