Topic: Here we go! Welcome to "affordable" healthcare!
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Thu 04/10/14 07:20 AM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Thu 04/10/14 07:33 AM

Health Plan Premiums Are Skyrocketing According To New Survey Of 148 Insurance Brokers, With Delaware Up 100%, California 53%, Florida 37%, Pennsylvania 28%

Don't forget..... by tax time next year all taxes will be in force too.... on top of the taxes and fees known as the ACA!

So where are our $2500 "average" savings per household? And at what point, as we were promised, does it become "affordable" if costs continue to increase?

"You can keep your doctor....PERIOD!" (only if you are willing to pay even more)

"You can keep your present insurance policy....PERIOD!" (only until it expires, is changed [as all insurance policies do often], or the POTUS breaks the law bypassing congress 34 times to try to cover for his lies..... and these are only delays.....not fixes or permanent...... but they will get Dems up for re-election past the primaries.....)

http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottgottlieb/2014/04/07/health-plan-premiums-are-skyrocketing-according-to-new-survey-of-148-insurance-brokers-analysts-blame-obamacare/?utm_content=bufferf3861&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

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Thu 04/10/14 08:38 AM


Health Plan Premiums Are Skyrocketing According To New Survey Of 148 Insurance Brokers, With Delaware Up 100%, California 53%, Florida 37%, Pennsylvania 28%

Don't forget..... by tax time next year all taxes will be in force too.... on top of the taxes and fees known as the ACA!

So where are our $2500 "average" savings per household? And at what point, as we were promised, does it become "affordable" if costs continue to increase?

"You can keep your doctor....PERIOD!" (only if you are willing to pay even more)

"You can keep your present insurance policy....PERIOD!" (only until it expires, is changed [as all insurance policies do often], or the POTUS breaks the law bypassing congress 34 times to try to cover for his lies..... and these are only delays.....not fixes or permanent...... but they will get Dems up for re-election past the primaries.....)

http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottgottlieb/2014/04/07/health-plan-premiums-are-skyrocketing-according-to-new-survey-of-148-insurance-brokers-analysts-blame-obamacare/?utm_content=bufferf3861&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer


Read the article but can't determine the basis for his numbers. Are they just the premium costs or do they reflect the tremendous increase in deductibles?

There are so many out there that can just barely afford the premiums and now they have medical coverage, but can't afford to use it. Not to mention all those new parties that are now added to the Medicaid roles. Roles that the Federal government stops paying for after 3 years leaving the states to pick up the total tab, meaning additional taxes.

Not that I really like Repugcants any more than Dumbocrats, but I do hope they take a super majority in both Houses of Congress. Would make for interesting times, that is if there are elections, something that gets more doubtful with every passing day.

metalwing's photo
Thu 04/10/14 12:14 PM
But .... Obama just said you loved his plan????

Conrad_73's photo
Thu 04/10/14 12:21 PM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Thu 04/10/14 12:25 PM



Sojourning_Soul's photo
Thu 04/10/14 01:38 PM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Thu 04/10/14 01:46 PM



Yes America! We've reached our goal of 7 Million!



er.....uh.....wait!..... **someone find that editor and fire him for posting the wrong image and cut to the healthcare commercial....QUICK!!**




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Thu 04/10/14 01:48 PM
Edited by TJN on Thu 04/10/14 01:49 PM
They have 7 million. 6 million whose plans were cancelled. 1 million who were previously uninsured. And of the 7 million only 80% have paid.
What I would like to know is they said 30 million or so were uninsured prior to the law being passed. Where are the other 29 million who didn't have insurance? It is MANDATORY to have insurance now. It is "AFFORABLE" now. How many are still uninsured?

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Thu 04/10/14 01:51 PM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Thu 04/10/14 02:07 PM

They have 7 million. 6 million whose plans were cancelled. 1 million who were previously uninsured. And of the 7 million only 80% have paid.
What I would like to know is they said 30 million or so were uninsured prior to the law being passed. Where are the other 29 million who didn't have insurance? It is MANDATORY to have insurance now. It is "AFFORABLE" now. How many are still uninsured?


You forgot that the majority of sign-ups went on the medicaide rolls and aren't contributing to the funds meant to support the bill...... which means all quotes will be higher than what everyone signed on believing.

BUT..... there is the $1.6 BILLION dollar bailout for the insurance companies written into the bill that they will be eligable for by the end of the year......just before tax time, but after the elections!

Affordable = Due to the new tax called the ACA, Congress can now afford to screw the public even further! (by using the peoples own money)

"The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money."
- Alexis de Tocqueville


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Thu 04/10/14 02:07 PM

They have 7 million. 6 million whose plans were cancelled. 1 million who were previously uninsured. And of the 7 million only 80% have paid.
What I would like to know is they said 30 million or so were uninsured prior to the law being passed. Where are the other 29 million who didn't have insurance? It is MANDATORY to have insurance now. It is "AFFORABLE" now. How many are still uninsured?


Would that be somewhere between 40 and 50 million that are now uninsured?

But also, just how many going dumped on the states Medicaid plans that the fed will desert after three years, or actually should say starting in the second year with total desertion after the third year.

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Fri 04/11/14 06:32 AM

They have 7 million. 6 million whose plans were cancelled. 1 million who were previously uninsured. And of the 7 million only 80% have paid.
What I would like to know is they said 30 million or so were uninsured prior to the law being passed. Where are the other 29 million who didn't have insurance? It is MANDATORY to have insurance now. It is "AFFORABLE" now. How many are still uninsured?


Insurance companies have been canceling policies since forever. Only now, they canceled the ones that didn't meet requirements of the ACA. It's not really a problem because most of those canceled policies were crap, and it was only in the cases where the customer needed the insurance that they'd find out the policy was crap.

Also, health insurance is not mandatory. People without it may lose some money in from their tax refunds beside exposing themselves to huge financial risks in case of medical emergencies, but nobody's getting arrested for not being insured.

Your numbers are way off. Sure, over 7 million signed up for health insurance on the exchanges, but millions more went to Medicare due to the ACA expansions (only available in states not run by idiot Republicans). It's unlikely that 80% of those 7 million have paid, because most of them have not even received their first billing statement.

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Fri 04/11/14 06:35 AM


They have 7 million. 6 million whose plans were cancelled. 1 million who were previously uninsured. And of the 7 million only 80% have paid.
What I would like to know is they said 30 million or so were uninsured prior to the law being passed. Where are the other 29 million who didn't have insurance? It is MANDATORY to have insurance now. It is "AFFORABLE" now. How many are still uninsured?


Insurance companies have been canceling policies since forever. Only now, they canceled the ones that didn't meet requirements of the ACA. It's not really a problem because most of those canceled policies were crap, and it was only in the cases where the customer needed the insurance that they'd find out the policy was crap.

Also, health insurance is not mandatory. People without it may lose some money in from their tax refunds beside exposing themselves to huge financial risks in case of medical emergencies, but nobody's getting arrested for not being insured.

Your numbers are way off. Sure, over 7 million signed up for health insurance on the exchanges, but millions more went to Medicare due to the ACA expansions (only available in states not run by idiot Republicans). It's unlikely that 80% of those 7 million have paid, because most of them have not even received their first billing statement.

can't you taste that "Bitter-Almond-Taste" in that Beverage?

Mortman's photo
Fri 04/11/14 06:36 AM
Would that be somewhere between 40 and 50 million that are now uninsured?

But also, just how many going dumped on the states Medicaid plans that the fed will desert after three years, or actually should say starting in the second year with total desertion after the third year.

The federal Medicaid reimbursement only drops to 90% after three years. Those states would only have to cover the last 10% after that. Nowhere near total desertion.

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Fri 04/11/14 07:19 AM


They have 7 million. 6 million whose plans were cancelled. 1 million who were previously uninsured. And of the 7 million only 80% have paid.
What I would like to know is they said 30 million or so were uninsured prior to the law being passed. Where are the other 29 million who didn't have insurance? It is MANDATORY to have insurance now. It is "AFFORABLE" now. How many are still uninsured?


Insurance companies have been canceling policies since forever. Only now, they canceled the ones that didn't meet requirements of the ACA. It's not really a problem because most of those canceled policies were crap, and it was only in the cases where the customer needed the insurance that they'd find out the policy was crap.

Also, health insurance is not mandatory. People without it may lose some money in from their tax refunds beside exposing themselves to huge financial risks in case of medical emergencies, but nobody's getting arrested for not being insured.

Your numbers are way off. Sure, over 7 million signed up for health insurance on the exchanges, but millions more went to Medicare due to the ACA expansions (only available in states not run by idiot Republicans). It's unlikely that 80% of those 7 million have paid, because most of them have not even received their first billing statement.


Wow.... that must have been a hard fall..... knocked the sense right out of ya!

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Fri 04/11/14 08:32 AM


They have 7 million. 6 million whose plans were cancelled. 1 million who were previously uninsured. And of the 7 million only 80% have paid.
What I would like to know is they said 30 million or so were uninsured prior to the law being passed. Where are the other 29 million who didn't have insurance? It is MANDATORY to have insurance now. It is "AFFORABLE" now. How many are still uninsured?


Insurance companies have been canceling policies since forever. Only now, they canceled the ones that didn't meet requirements of the ACA. It's not really a problem because most of those canceled policies were crap, and it was only in the cases where the customer needed the insurance that they'd find out the policy was crap.

Also, health insurance is not mandatory. People without it may lose some money in from their tax refunds beside exposing themselves to huge financial risks in case of medical emergencies, but nobody's getting arrested for not being insured.

Your numbers are way off. Sure, over 7 million signed up for health insurance on the exchanges, but millions more went to Medicare due to the ACA expansions (only available in states not run by idiot Republicans). It's unlikely that 80% of those 7 million have paid, because most of them have not even received their first billing statement.

Pull your head out and get some fresh air.


Starting in 2014 all U.S. citizens and legal residents will have to have health insurance, or what is known as qualifying health coverage, which includes coverage through your job, a government plan (such as Medicaid, Medicare, Veterans Administration, and the Armed Services), or a health plan you have purchased on your own.

If you don’t have health insurance, you will pay a tax penalty that will be phased in starting in 2014 with a fine of $95. In 2015, the penalty will increase to $325, and in 2016 to $695 or a percentage of your taxable income. After 2016, your penalty will be increased every year according to the changes in the cost of living.

It's not mandatory? If it wasn't mandatory you wouldn't have to pay a tax penalty for not having it.

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Fri 04/11/14 08:38 AM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Fri 04/11/14 08:45 AM



They have 7 million. 6 million whose plans were cancelled. 1 million who were previously uninsured. And of the 7 million only 80% have paid.
What I would like to know is they said 30 million or so were uninsured prior to the law being passed. Where are the other 29 million who didn't have insurance? It is MANDATORY to have insurance now. It is "AFFORABLE" now. How many are still uninsured?


Insurance companies have been canceling policies since forever. Only now, they canceled the ones that didn't meet requirements of the ACA. It's not really a problem because most of those canceled policies were crap, and it was only in the cases where the customer needed the insurance that they'd find out the policy was crap.

Also, health insurance is not mandatory. People without it may lose some money in from their tax refunds beside exposing themselves to huge financial risks in case of medical emergencies, but nobody's getting arrested for not being insured.

Your numbers are way off. Sure, over 7 million signed up for health insurance on the exchanges, but millions more went to Medicare due to the ACA expansions (only available in states not run by idiot Republicans). It's unlikely that 80% of those 7 million have paid, because most of them have not even received their first billing statement.

Pull your head out and get some fresh air.


Starting in 2014 all U.S. citizens and legal residents will have to have health insurance, or what is known as qualifying health coverage, which includes coverage through your job, a government plan (such as Medicaid, Medicare, Veterans Administration, and the Armed Services), or a health plan you have purchased on your own.

If you don'��t have health insurance, you will pay a tax penalty that will be phased in starting in 2014 with a fine of $95. In 2015, the penalty will increase to $325, and in 2016 to $695 or a percentage of your taxable income. After 2016, your penalty will be increased every year according to the changes in the cost of living.

It's not mandatory? If it wasn't mandatory you wouldn't have to pay a tax penalty for not having it.



You're arguing with a liberal TJ..... a waste of time! Liberal control of Congress and the lowest approval rating ever for that legislative body proves that! But of course..... they blame the Repulsicons..... who are not so innocent either


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Fri 04/11/14 03:40 PM

Would that be somewhere between 40 and 50 million that are now uninsured?

But also, just how many going dumped on the states Medicaid plans that the fed will desert after three years, or actually should say starting in the second year with total desertion after the third year.

The federal Medicaid reimbursement only drops to 90% after three years. Those states would only have to cover the last 10% after that. Nowhere near total desertion.


And just what Cracker Jacks box did that delicious piece of crap come from?

The original intention was to enslave the states to the Odumbocare solution by increasing the tax roles for medicaid. That wonderous bill the needed to be passed to see what was in it, sucked the states into a huge commitment with the fed bailing out in three years.

Initially, all the entitlement states jumped right on board, after all they are all so broke what difference does it make. So somewhere in all those thousands of pages of legislation and rules, things seem to have changed to sucker more states into entitlements and now only having to pay 10%.

But with the states and federal government bleeding cash at an astronomical rate, just where is this money to come from? Well how about from the property of the people of the states when a new executive order is signed throwing them to the wolves. But most are just way too stupid to figure all this out, after all the money tree can just grow new branches and history means nothing.

The Great Medicaid Swindle

But here is another train of thought, the one that has gotten us into this mess in the first place, the ideas of the progressive. Steal from them before they can steal from you.

{url=http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/12/05/3023851/medicaid-expansion-states-cost-taxpayers-billions/]STUDY: States Rejecting Obamacare’s Medicaid Expansion Will Cost Taxpayers Billions

And then here is one of the most open and honest discussions of the dilemma that I have read in a while.

Why the Obamacare Medicaid Expansion Is Bad for Taxpayers and Patients

But then this world is full of those that only look at immediate satisfaction and little consider the consequences of the future.

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Fri 04/11/14 03:51 PM

It's not mandatory? If it wasn't mandatory you wouldn't have to pay a tax penalty for not having it.


One, it is not mandatory, stated by the Supreme court. The government contended they has the authority under the Commerce clause, the supreme court stated no they didn't. The government contended they had the authority under the Necessary and Proper clause, the supreme court offered they didn't. The government contended they has the ability to tax and charge a penalty, but the supreme court corrected them they couldn't charge a penalty and offered that maybe it was a tax, legislating from the judiciary, not only no authority but actually prohibited to legislate from the judiciary.

However now that it was a tax, the court did give the opinion that congress had the ability to tax and left it at that. Being that was not a question before the court, they did not have to offer an opinion on it other than what they did to seek jurisdiction.

And the majority of people do not understand any of this and life goes on and the victims are skinned again.