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upon reading that three officers were involved and this individual was only 90 pounds, Im not disagreeing,,, people resort to guns much too easily and quickly, that's a belief that I have pretty clearly expressed many times I was just commenting that there had to be just a bit more to the story than a grown officer walking into a house and pulling out his gun and shooting a 90 pound individual,,, perhaps he was viewed as a thug due to the history he had with police calls, maybe he needed to be in an assisted home if he was that regularly episodic,,,, but in any case, three grown trained officers should have had it handled without the use of gunfire,,, So which is it? People use guns too easily and quickly ... or... there are excuses to shoot a kid known to misbehave? Did you ever stop and ask about why for ten minutes everything is ok with the two uniformed cops and then within a minute of the detectives arrival, there is a body? Of course not, that requires critical thinking, not just critical. no. be an adult please. it requires an internal affairs investigation. which I hope has already begun. Be an adult, how? By not facing up to reality? By believing in the tooth fairy? Sure there is going to be an internal investigation, it has already begun as an adult with critical thinking skills can demise just from what has been presented so far. So just whom would be the adult, the one asking for responsibility or the one making excuses. In today's world it seems the excuses are trump. Got more? |
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alnewman
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Sun 04/13/14 10:48 AM
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upon reading that three officers were involved and this individual was only 90 pounds, Im not disagreeing,,, people resort to guns much too easily and quickly, that's a belief that I have pretty clearly expressed many times I was just commenting that there had to be just a bit more to the story than a grown officer walking into a house and pulling out his gun and shooting a 90 pound individual,,, perhaps he was viewed as a thug due to the history he had with police calls, maybe he needed to be in an assisted home if he was that regularly episodic,,,, but in any case, three grown trained officers should have had it handled without the use of gunfire,,, So which is it? People use guns too easily and quickly ... or... there are excuses to shoot a kid known to misbehave? Did you ever stop and ask about why for ten minutes everything is ok with the two uniformed cops and then within a minute of the detectives arrival, there is a body? Of course not, that requires critical thinking, not just critical. Ok, just where to start, let's handle it serialy.  what part of 'Im not disagreeing' was hard to understand exactly? Let's see, that open ended statement that didn't disagree with anything. Just sort of leaves it open to argue in the future some mythical agreement or disagreement that has never really been stated. Typical. there ISNT excuse to shoot an unarmed kid(though this one had a screwdriver actually), whether he is known to misbehave or not I stopped to ask what ELSE Was missing from the story. Like, according to whom was 'everything alright'? , I don't consider it 'alright' when parents have needed to call cops dozens of times on a 'boy' in their care,,, Ah, another open ended argument with a lean to blaming the "boy", but no definite statements so could be stated the other way if cornered. Just what did the young man and his past behavior have to do with it other than they sent two officers, two different vehicles in NC so it had to be intentional to provide backup. Tewo officers with batons, tasers, armor and guns against one 90 pound young man, not a boy. But being you want to discuss the "boy", 'The caller said that Vidal "won't take his medication" and that his family has had "to put him in before, (and) he's getting real bad again."' Im quite capable of critical thinking,, but the desire to make someone else 'wrong' often causes some to jump to wrong conclusions for the purpose of unnecessary and irrelevant argument,,, So one states, but one can state all one wants but as the ole saying goes "the proof is in the pudding". Seems the proof based on replies deems it not so. Yes some do get a little "froggie" and jumps all the time and that love to jump using the froggie theory but then I prefer the reality of it all, the frog is going to bump his butt, period. But here is a real interesting fact, by typing "cop kills child" into google, so much crap comes up that until you qualify with NC, this one is buried. But here is a really good article from CNN, who woulda thought? 'We called for help, and they killed my son,' North Carolina man says But here is something in the article I found quite amusing. Is it a portend of things to come? Authorities have not released the exact sequence of events, including how and by whom Vidal was shot. A Southport officer has been placed on paid administrative leave in connection with the shooting, Police Chief Jerry Dove said Tuesday. Authorities have declined to say whether he was the officer who shot Vidal. The Brunswick County sheriff's deputy sent to the scene has been "cleared," office spokeswoman Emily Flax said. A review conducted by its Office of Professional Standards found that the deputy did not violate policy, Flax added. Boiling Spring Lakes Police Chief Brad Shirley said the same thing Tuesday of that department's officer, who was the first to arrive on the scene. The department said in a statement that, after an "internal review," it concluded that the Boiling Spring Lakes police officer who responded did not violate department policy or state law. So I guess we'll never know just who did it. No way to tell. But then looking up facts is just a plain usurpation of the entitlement crowds rights to form opinions without having to consider any facts. |
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This gives me the right royal red azz, because I have seen so much of it. This is a failure of everyone, his mental health support system especially. I made several recommendations for LTSRs versus community which were denied and lead to some pretty nasty client/police interactions. I also used to teach non-violent physical intervention, but off the the record, would recommend just knocking the guy out if they were at too high a risk of dying from "psychotic exhaustion" during a restraint. I am sorry that the officer didn't have the time to assist someone in crisis. It seems that from some sources, that everything was calming down and proceeding toward peace until the third officer arrived. Two officers arrived and began talking with Vidal, according to CNN affiliate WWAY. The situation was relatively calm until a third officer -- a detective from the nearby city of Southport -- arrived, the family said. "Everything was going good," Mark Wilsey said, according to WWAY. "Then this fat cop from Southport walks in the room, walks around the corner, says, 'We don't have time for this. Tase that kid now. Let's get him out of here.' " The stepfather said Vidal tried to run but was struck with two Taser charges and fell backward. He said the first two officers to respond got on top of Vidal. 'We called for help, and they killed my son,' North Carolina man says And then from NBC: Officers arrive then on scene. For more than 10 minutes they report back that everything is okay - 10-4. Then unit 104 from Southport shows up and the situation changes within one minute and ten seconds, according to the 911 report. Officer to dispatch: "I don't know if you been advised shots fired, I've had to defend myself against this subject." 911 call released after NC teen shot, killed by police in front of parents But notice dateline, this is a January story, posted on the 6th and last updated on the 8th. And I would guess that unless you live local, it's off the radar screens, no more posts. |
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upon reading that three officers were involved and this individual was only 90 pounds, Im not disagreeing,,, people resort to guns much too easily and quickly, that's a belief that I have pretty clearly expressed many times I was just commenting that there had to be just a bit more to the story than a grown officer walking into a house and pulling out his gun and shooting a 90 pound individual,,, perhaps he was viewed as a thug due to the history he had with police calls, maybe he needed to be in an assisted home if he was that regularly episodic,,,, but in any case, three grown trained officers should have had it handled without the use of gunfire,,, or tazers... or maybe after the 20th time the police were called, maybe someone should have thought of taking the kid to a hospital... Seems according to a CNN article they had and was calling for help again because he refused to take his meds. Gee where have we heard that story before? Aren't they normally the one doing the shooting first? And it seems by one report, that tasers weren't needed until the third officer arrived and stirred things up. Seems the first two officers were the peace officers the people paid for. See prior post for details and sources. |
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