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Topic: So you're a terrorist- Now What?
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Sat 05/03/14 04:48 PM


didn't Bill Clinton titled David Koresh something like this,before that deadly Raid on Mount Carmel?frustrated


No.

Koresh was a pedophile and an illegal arms dealer who fired on Federal Agents trying to serve a warrant.


Another bold statement with absolutely no backup.


The Branch Davidians got along well with those of the surrounding community. They had some religious beliefs that made them different from other churches, but, then, many of the so-called standard churches differ from each other. Their religious differences were certainly no excuse for the United States government to destroy their home and their lives, especially without a trial. The First Amendment to the Constitution guarantees the right to worship God according to the dictates of one’s own conscience, but the government completely ignored this right in the massacre at Waco.

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The siege on the Davidian compound began on February 28, 1993. Instead of simply knocking on the front door, 100 BATF agents stormed the compound to arrest David Koresh. Koresh went jogging quite frequently, and the government could have arrested him during those times, but they weren’t interested in simply arresting Koresh. The government wanted a confrontation. Unthreatened BATF and FBI agents opened fire with automatic weapons at the front door and the walls, knowing that there were innocent women and children inside.

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During this siege, four BATF agents were killed. The four BATF agents, that died on February 28, had all been bodyguards for Bill Clinton from the time of the Democratic convention until Bill Clinton became president. These four BATF agents were the only federal agents to die in the siege at Waco. Linda Thompson’s videotape entitled Waco, the Big Lie, shows that those BATF agents were not killed or shot at by Branch Davidians. The tape shows the agents going into the compound through an upstairs window. It then shows the other BATF agent, who is out on the roof, actually shooting in through the window where those BATF agents had just entered. Those four BATF agents, who were bodyguards of Bill Clinton, were killed by their own people!


Pretty much the same tactics as used against Bundy, but now another armed agency, BLM. Government by coercion at the point of a gun. And it's not just the Dumbocrats, the Bushes and Repugantcants are just as guilty. And don't forget that wacko over in Arizona, bomb them McCain.


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Sat 05/03/14 04:55 PM


How is bundys supporters in the wrong... the feds should have never been there from the beginning!


well they were and they are the administrators of the property in question. that is simply a fact. Bundy is so wrong that I can't see how anyone can;t get that. I wonder why how he has avoided jail.

I disagree that the Feds were wrong. The Feds showed dicretion that saved lives....the Bundy vigilantes were gonna murder


And just where did you come up with this dribble? Administrators, of what? And of course Bundy is not wrong, it is only the uneducated that has no concept of natural law and the constitution that would not understand.

And the Feds were and still are wrong. It was only the huge support of free men that kept this from being another travesty by the government. But it isn't over yet, that I will agree with Slime Ball Harry on, but not in the same context. And the BLM showed no discretion at all except to go somewhere and clean out their pants.

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Sat 05/03/14 04:59 PM



How is bundys supporters in the wrong... the feds should have never been there from the beginning!


well they were and they are the administrators of the property in question. that is simply a fact. Bundy is so wrong that I can't see how anyone can;t get that. I wonder why how he has avoided jail.

I disagree that the Feds were wrong. The Feds showed dicretion that saved lives....the Bundy vigilantes were gonna murder


I won't ridicule your perception, but I do challenge it.

Even Reid, who was wrong in his statements , only getting involved AFTER the fact as well, said it best..... "we are a nation of laws".

That being said, since when are armed federal agents used to collect a debt, placing sniper sights on peaceful protests, tazing people for only vocal outcry and threatening them with attack dogs, also tackling a pregnant woman?

The law states that the feds should have worked with local law enforcement to procure an arrest by warrant.... they did not!

The property could have been attached by lien for the non-paid grazing fees.... but it was not, and a statement was made by an attorney that they felt they would lose that action in court so instead took direct unlawful action.

They shot and killed 2 prize bulls, many dozens more cows and calves burying them in a mass grave (this could only be an action to injure his livelihood as a cattle rancher....why else kill his only two stud bulls?), damaged water holes and troughs the local wildlife also used..... there is NO excuse or law that condones these actions for the simple collection of a supposed debt!

He may have lost in a federal court, but it was their court, their judge, their dept, and the BLM walked out with the simple statement that it was "their" land, and "they" were the law, and he was guilty without the case even being presented or defended. They then asked for the warrants and were granted them. There was no trial!

That is why Bundy refused to pay the BLM even tho he paid the state and county, and why they couldn't have won a case for a lien on the property. There was no court order awarded to the feds by the fed court when they walked out of the suit Bundy had filed against them.... only the warrants later requested and received!

These actions should scare everyone! What if the feds want your home or property next?

Try reading this from another federal judges perception of the events in HIS 140 page ruling!

Federal Judge: BLM Engaged In A Criminal Conspiracy Against Ranchers

http://www.infowars.com/federal-judge-blm-engaged-in-a-criminal-conspiracy-against-ranchers/

Slimy Reid and son.....




Outstanding commentary.

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Sat 05/03/14 05:04 PM

He pisses off enough folks, may God help the little hijo de perra he trespasses on the wrong person's property.

As in Texas, thousands of acres of ranchland and thousands of abandoned wells he could accidently fall into.


Speaking of Texas, how can the BLM claim land in a state that has there own land office? After all Texas like Crimea seceded from another country but unlike Crimea became it's own republic before applying for statehood.

Seems like the entire west has been invaded by illegal foreign entities and now Texas too.

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Sat 05/03/14 05:27 PM


Bundy Ranch: The Agenda 21 "Shot" Heard 'Round The World

The United States government is NOT concerned about the desert tortoise. There is something much larger at stake...a much bigger reason to lead an armed insurrection against a family's property as we've seen at the Bundy Ranch. What's for sure is the Bundy Ranch showdown is not over. Harry Reid assures us something big will happen:

"It's obvious that you can'��t just walk away from this. And we can speculate all we want to speculate to what'��s going to happen next," Reid told KSNV-TV. "But I don't think it'��s going to be tomorrow that something is going to happen, but something will happen. We are a nation of laws, not of men and women."

"We are a nation of laws. not of men women." What in the world does that mean!? For the laws, by the laws...I guess.

As Los Angeles Times writes, "The U.S. can't let Cliven Bundy win his range war." Why not?

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It seems some of those who think themselves "law makers" also think themselves above them!

http://dollarvigilante.com/blog/2014/4/24/bundy-ranch-the-agenda-21-shot-heard-round-the-world.html



Interesting about the lead-in photo:

http://www.dollarvigilante.com/sites/default/files/blog/617x425xScreen-Shot-2014-04-18-at-8.jpg]

But here is an even more interesting tie-in to that:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDYJtGuoc8M


Mark Potok of the Southern Poverty Law Center discusses the Bundy Ranch standoff's far right connections and scholar and activist Mark Mason says this is embodied in the goal to privatize the commons


Interesting how the SPLC was involved in the photo of the "sniper" backing Bundy but let's look at that photo from a different angle.



That idiot had no field of fire whatsoever, It was the Bundy supporters that were in greater peril. Personally I believe this a$$ was staged by SPLC.

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Sat 05/03/14 05:28 PM



didn't Bill Clinton titled David Koresh something like this,before that deadly Raid on Mount Carmel?frustrated


No.

Koresh was a pedophile and an illegal arms dealer who fired on Federal Agents trying to serve a warrant.

They could have arrested Koresh many times outside of his House,and even in Town!
What the Feds did was premeditated Murder!
I don't agree with Koresh's Religious Persuasion,or with other things he was accused of,and might or might not have done!
But the way the Feds went in was in best NAZI-Tradition!
There wasn't any need to to even shed one drop of blood!mad


Always so when ATF involved, used to be child organization to IRS then a parent organization to IRS and now part of DHS.

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Sat 05/03/14 05:33 PM

Mock me if you will, call me paranoid, but the parallels of history to every such occasion have shown their ugly head in our own leadership of the last few decades, and who can argue history as a falsehood?


The pure number of idiots in this world is just overwhelming so of course there will be those that mock. But who cares about what those without a brain think or actually are told what they are thinking because they are incapable of thinking themselves.

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Sat 05/03/14 05:40 PM


Official Government Documents Label These 72 Types of Americans as Potential Terrorists

Are you a conservative, a libertarian, a Christian or a gun owner? Are you opposed to abortion, globalism, Communism, illegal immigration, the United Nations or the New World Order? Do you believe in conspiracy theories, do you believe that we are living in the "end times" or do you ever visit alternative news websites (such as this one)? If you answered yes to any of those questions, you are a "potential terrorist" according to official U.S. government documents. At one time, the term "terrorist" was used very narrowly. The government applied that label to people like Osama bin Laden and other Islamic jihadists. But now the Obama administration is removing all references to Islam from terror training materials, and instead the term "terrorist" is being applied to large groups of American citizens. And if you are a "terrorist", that means that you have no rights and the government can treat you just like it treats the terrorists that are being held at Guantanamo Bay. So if you belong to a group of people that is now being referred to as "potential terrorists", please don't take it as a joke. The first step to persecuting any group of people is to demonize them. And right now large groups of peaceful, law-abiding citizens are being ruthlessly demonized.

http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/09/official-government-documents-label-72-types-americans-potential-terrorists/


But that pool of liberty and freedom loving individuals are increasing daily. As Bundy as so gallantly proved, we the people can stand up against tyranny. When the people are willing to answer the government violence with force, then the government is restored to it's rightful role, the servant. However, more needs to be done along the line of starting to prosecute the individuals involved using civil suites against the individuals. You cannot prosecute a fiction in any matter other than money, money stolen from the people, but the individuals are not fictions and their money will come from that individual.

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Sun 05/04/14 02:02 PM



thats the catch

you need to be in an organized militia to have guns

as soon as you have an organized militia guess what

you are a terrorist group

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the two biggest terrorist groups in the united states
are the democratic and republican parties doing the
bidding of those on the federal reserve board which
is neither federal nor have a reserve

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Wed 05/07/14 02:23 PM




thats the catch

you need to be in an organized militia to have guns

as soon as you have an organized militia guess what

you are a terrorist group

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the two biggest terrorist groups in the united states
are the democratic and republican parties doing the
bidding of those on the federal reserve board which
is neither federal nor have a reserve


Not true, you do not need to be in the militia to own guns even though by law every person for 18 to 48+ depending on the state for the top limit, is in the militia. But anyhow, the Supreme Court has declared that it is two separate items and it is the right of the state to have a militia and the right of the people to bear arms.

But anyway, the constitutional amendments don't apply to your or I, they only apply as a restriction upon the government. You and I have inherent, unalienable right bestowed upon us at birth by our creators. And our creators were not our parents, they contributed the chemicals necessary to give life to the vessel we use to travel through life, our creator gave us the spirit that makes a person an individual, the differentiator form one to another.

And why there is some element of truth about the two biggest terrorist groups, they are but the symptom. The underlying cause are the 310 or so million people that mistakenly believe they have some sort of authority.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6b70TUbdfs

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