Topic: Odumbo admin want to change natural law
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Mon 05/05/14 03:36 PM

US vs Law of Physics

Monday morning I attended a breakfast meeting where the speaker/guest was David E. Cole, Chairman, Center for Automotive Research (CAR and Professor at the Univ. of Michigan. You have all likely heard CAR quoted, or referred to in the auto industry news lately.

Mr. Cole, who is an engineer by training, told many stories of the difficulty of working with the folks that the Obama administration has sent to save the auto industry. There have been many meetings where a 30+ year experience automotive expert has to listen to a newcomer to the industry, someone with zero manufacturing experience, zero auto industry experience, zero business experience, zero finance experience, and zero engineering experience, tell them how to run their business.

Mr Cole's favorite story is as follows:

There was a team of Obama people speaking to Mr. Cole (Engineer, automotive experience 40+ years, Chairman of CAR). They were explaining to Mr. Cole that the auto companies needed to make a car that was electric and liquid natural gas (LNG) with enough combined fuel to go 500 miles so we wouldn't "need" so many gas stations (A whole other topic). They were quoting BTU's of LNG and battery life that they had looked up on some website.

Mr. Cole explained that to do this you would need a trunk FULL of batteries and a LNG tank at big as a car to make that happen and that there were problems related to the laws of physics that prevented them from...

The Obama person interrupted and said (and I am quoting here),
"These laws of physics? Who's rules are those? We need to change that."
[Some of the others wrote down the law name so they could look it up.]
"We have the congress and the administration.
We can repeal that law, amend it, or use an executive order to get rid of that problem.
That's why we are here, to fix these sort of issues".


Somewhat aged but still relevant. The Odumbo administration at it's best.

Thanks to: 1215.org

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Mon 05/05/14 03:58 PM
if we lived by the known laws of physics in the early 1400's we would still be in the early 1400's.

advancing technologies has it's advantages.

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Mon 05/05/14 04:19 PM
Never happened.

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Mon 05/05/14 04:21 PM

if we lived by the known laws of physics in the early 1400's we would still be in the early 1400's.

advancing technologies has it's advantages.


Really, do you have a clue? How is this statement anywhere related to the OP?

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Mon 05/05/14 04:23 PM
how is it not?

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Mon 05/05/14 04:35 PM

Never happened.


Really,


I asked Dave Cole about it. His response:

The story circulating on the Internet is not true on several points, and its genesis is also unclear.

To begin with I have not met with any of the Obama Task Force, but I speak with government officials and journalists quite often.

The story regarding the law of physics is related to a discussion I had many years ago with several congressmen, and is partially accurate, though it related directly to the congressmen's suggestion that we should pass a new second law of thermodynamics.

The comments regarding natural gas were related to Compressed Natural Gas (CNG) rather than Liquid Natural Gas (LNG). I indicated that it is very difficult to liquefy natural gas (a very low temperature is required) and maintain as a liquid. Natural gas is an excellent spark-ignition engine fuel and the only real problem is the low energy density of the CNG. This means that a very large fuel tank is required to provide reasonable driving range. Even the very best batteries have low energy density as well, compared to a liquid fuel. This is the basis for plug-in hybrids, which provide short range driving (about 30-40 miles) but extend the range to a few hundred miles by using a liquid fuel (gasoline, diesel, ethanol, ...) together with an engine and generator to charge the battery.

I am very supportive of creating a greater understanding of the industry throughout Washington, and the country, with regards to the importance of manufacturing and its impact on the national economy. Unfortunately, the U.S. is the only industrialized nation with a minimum understanding of manufacturing (including the auto industry and its critical role in our economy).


From June, 2009, that would be Odumbo administration. Funny how some thing offered as jokes have a basis in reality, but then the truth for many that suffer from [ignore]ance is what they want to be truth.

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Mon 05/05/14 04:41 PM

how is it not?


Because Natural laws are not immutable, inalienable and always true. They were since the start of time and will be at the end of time.

But that is a current problem with most of the people on this planet, that pretend they can read, which is at best questionable, but comprehension has definitely been discouraged. And it is but to get worse as common core gains ground.

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Mon 05/05/14 04:51 PM
if fox media won't even cover this and use it against the president then it must mean that there is ZERO factual evidence of this actually happening.....

Because trust me, if even 1% of this was true, Fox would be all-over it in an anti-Obama special!

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Mon 05/05/14 04:58 PM


how is it not?


Because Natural laws are not immutable, inalienable and always true. They were since the start of time and will be at the end of time.

But that is a current problem with most of the people on this planet, that pretend they can read, which is at best questionable, but comprehension has definitely been discouraged. And it is but to get worse as common core gains ground.


it was once thought that flying would be out of reach for humans, because it went against the known laws of nature and physics. turns out that wasn't true.

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Mon 05/05/14 05:02 PM
Edited by kc0003 on Mon 05/05/14 05:26 PM
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Mon 05/05/14 05:24 PM

if fox media won't even cover this and use it against the president then it must mean that there is ZERO factual evidence of this actually happening.....

Because trust me, if even 1% of this was true, Fox would be all-over it in an anti-Obama special!


That is an interesting concept, if Fox won't cover it then it must not be true. Sort of the anti thesis of if MSNBC covers it then it can't be true.




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Mon 05/05/14 05:30 PM



how is it not?


Because Natural laws are not immutable, inalienable and always true. They were since the start of time and will be at the end of time.

But that is a current problem with most of the people on this planet, that pretend they can read, which is at best questionable, but comprehension has definitely been discouraged. And it is but to get worse as common core gains ground.


it was once thought that flying would be out of reach for humans, because it went against the known laws of nature and physics. turns out that wasn't true.


The key word was thought. Natural laws don't know thought, just truth. Truth is always truth just waiting to be discovered.

So trying to relegate a natural law to a superstitious belief does not change the natural law, just defines the ignorance of those unwilling to discover the truth and trying to forbid others to do the same.

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Mon 05/05/14 05:42 PM



how is it not?


Because Natural laws are not immutable, inalienable and always true. They were since the start of time and will be at the end of time.

But that is a current problem with most of the people on this planet, that pretend they can read, which is at best questionable, but comprehension has definitely been discouraged. And it is but to get worse as common core gains ground.


it was once thought that flying would be out of reach for humans, because it went against the known laws of nature and physics. turns out that wasn't true.


This isn't actually true. Fluid dynamics has been around since Archimedes. Newton and Bernoulli established the basis for Aerodynamics. The understanding of the physics behind flight wasn't the issue it was engineering the craft.

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Mon 05/05/14 05:45 PM
Just imagine, a whole society that has no capability to actually determine anything that hasn't been told to them. And people wonder just why this nation has sunk to the lowest level of intelligence ever.

But personally, I love posting trash like this, a story that has some element of truth just to see what crawls out of the wood work.

But then if one would have followed the link given, they may have gotten a clue but most never do that, they just start spouting prejudice believes, believes not based in truth.

But this is not as low as it can go. With Agenda 21 and the common core teaching based on outcome education and that outcome is not what a free people want.


You won't see it called Agenda 21. It won't come with flashing lights announcing that it's part of a global standardization program to inventory, monitor, and control every aspect of your life. Example? Common Core is the 'new' inventory and control system adopted by nearly every state in the US to fully implement Skinnerian training. This system creates people who will go along to get along, who will be 'good obedient citizens'.


DEMOCRATS AGAINST U. N. AGENDA 21: COMMON CORE IS AGENDA 21

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Mon 05/05/14 05:46 PM
Edited by kc0003 on Mon 05/05/14 05:47 PM




how is it not?


Because Natural laws are not immutable, inalienable and always true. They were since the start of time and will be at the end of time.

But that is a current problem with most of the people on this planet, that pretend they can read, which is at best questionable, but comprehension has definitely been discouraged. And it is but to get worse as common core gains ground.


it was once thought that flying would be out of reach for humans, because it went against the known laws of nature and physics. turns out that wasn't true.


The key word was thought. Natural laws don't know thought, just truth. Truth is always truth just waiting to be discovered.

So trying to relegate a natural law to a superstitious belief does not change the natural law, just defines the ignorance of those unwilling to discover the truth and trying to forbid others to do the same.


so by this, everything we have learned to this point is all we will ever learn. there can be nothing more to discover, ever!

well, you keep thinking like that and you keep calling everyone else ignorant, it's very enlightening.

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Mon 05/05/14 05:52 PM





how is it not?


Because Natural laws are not immutable, inalienable and always true. They were since the start of time and will be at the end of time.

But that is a current problem with most of the people on this planet, that pretend they can read, which is at best questionable, but comprehension has definitely been discouraged. And it is but to get worse as common core gains ground.


it was once thought that flying would be out of reach for humans, because it went against the known laws of nature and physics. turns out that wasn't true.


The key word was thought. Natural laws don't know thought, just truth. Truth is always truth just waiting to be discovered.

So trying to relegate a natural law to a superstitious belief does not change the natural law, just defines the ignorance of those unwilling to discover the truth and trying to forbid others to do the same.


so by this, everything we have learned to this point is all we will ever learn. there can be nothing more to discover, ever!

well, you keep thinking like that and you keep calling everyone else ignorant, it's very enlightening.


[Ignor]ance, with the key part being "ignore", an item of choice. But it does seem to apply so often to so many. And it isn't a matter of calling one ignorant, most demonstrate it so eloquently themselves. I am but like the pointer that likes to "point" it out.