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Topic: More... from Alabama's Roy Moore...
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Tue 05/06/14 01:56 AM
First Amendment only for Christians" Says Alabama Chief Justice

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mv-vaufyXI4

Dear God, please save us from more of Moore. When will we ever get enough? :(

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Tue 05/06/14 02:07 AM
Edited by AthenaRose2 on Tue 05/06/14 02:29 AM
Chief Justice of the Alabama Supreme Court Roy Moore

www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUqZItiS220

While mixing subtle undertones of hatred and bigotry of gays from his public pulpit as he digs his heels in deep on topics of religion he's obviously ignorant of, Roy Moore's day was over so very long ago and like a bad memory he keeps coming back to haunt us. noway

Alabama will never move into the 21st century as long as our citizens hang on to outdated figures in an attempt to maintain the status quo from centuries ago.

Leopards can't change their spots and it won't be long before our Chief Justice reigns down showers of intolerance on our State just like always. slaphead

When are those who bring him back to feed us Moore of the same old same old ever going to say, "enough is enough", and leave this fossil that doesn't believe in diversity and inclusion in the dust where he belongs?

Please, no lovers of Moore and haters of free speech publicly attack me on the boards for my independent views on this sore subject.

If California can oust an alleged closeted billionaire racist like Donald Sterling caught expressing his innate views in private, then Alabama can certainly oust a public figure who doesn't espouse equality when he speaks to crowds he wants to convert or encourages them to advance his way of prejudiced thinking.

People think that after a gaff he can simply apologize and all is right with the world. The problem is Roy Moore is in a leading public position making legal decisions that affect all of Alabama's citizens and his personal views definitely cloud his judgment to the extreme.

Yet here he is once again. Go figure... sad2

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Tue 05/06/14 03:09 AM
Judge Roy Moore - Alabama Chief Justice - 2012

www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PBwaVKFh1c

Loves to mix his version of church and state. think

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Tue 05/06/14 03:33 AM
Anti-Gay Activist Dave Daubenmire Interviews Chief Justice Roy Moore

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vg2tMX6YQRw

Judge Moore believes our country was based and founded on the institution of marriage between men and women. He also believes:

1) Rights come from God
2) Today we have a Court that's creating rights out of thin air that he doesn't agree with
3) The Court also has the right to violate certain moral restrictions so they can redefine marriage
4) When we destroy the institutions on which a nation is founded we're going to suffer for it
5) It's a faulty misconception to obey everything government does and says if it contradicts the laws of God
6) If we deny our rights come from God there is no moral basis for society. Bestiality, homosexuality, sodomy, incest. They all come from the same source, an understanding of God

Really?

Thank you for the public lesson on moral precepts and punishment, Chief Justice.

Isn't it nice that our leaders who set the example for the rest of us to follow can be so candid about their personal beliefs even if they rub some people the wrong way?

think


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Tue 05/06/14 04:13 AM
If he's violated the Constitution,impeach him!

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Tue 05/06/14 04:42 AM
Edited by AthenaRose2 on Tue 05/06/14 04:58 AM
Judge Roy Moore Shares a Poem on the Declaration

www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWZjhEaSQwM

"Our American Birthright"

1) One nation under God was their cry
2) For upon the laws of nature's God they built a mighty nation
3) These men would never question the sovereignty of God
4) The rights God gave us was the roll of government, should any form of government become destructive of this end it was there right indeed their duty a new one to begin
5) So with a firm reliance on divine providence for protection they pledged their sacred honor and they sought his wise direction
6) They lifted up an appeal to God for all the world to see and vowed their independence forever to be free
7) I'm glad they're not here with us to see the mess we're in, how we've given up our righteousness for a life of indulgent sin, for when abortion is no longer called murder when sodomy's deemed a right, then good is now called evil and darkness is now called light
8) And no longer does man see a need for God when he's in full control, for the only truth self evident is in the latest poll
09) But with man as his own master we fail to count the cost, our precious freedoms vanish and our liberties are lost, our children are told they can't pray in school and they teach them evolution, why can't they see the fear of God is the only true solution?
10) Our schools have become the battleground while all across the land, Christians just shrug their shoulders afraid to take a stand
11) From the grave you can hear their voices cry the victory's already been won just glorify the father as did his only son
12) And when your work on this earth is done and you've traveled where we trod you'll leave the land we left to you one nation under God

The fear of God is our only solution?

Or the fear of men in high places that can make us dance to their tunes even if we don't agree with their religious views and political rhetoric?

think

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Tue 05/06/14 05:01 AM
Edited by AthenaRose2 on Tue 05/06/14 05:12 AM

If he's violated the Constitution,impeach him!


That's a good idea, but for that we need more than one voice of national and local dissent.

I very much believe in God and living our lives according to His teachings through His son's life and death sacrifice for our sins. (A whole other thread topic not meant for this board).

But I also believe in the separation of church and state.

And for any state representative to publicly espouse his religious views in ways that make him look like he's proselytizing isn't cool.

There's a reason the Constitution was created with this issue in mind.


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Tue 05/06/14 06:43 AM
http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/story/southunionstreet/2014/05/05/roy-moore-first-amendment-applies-to-all-faiths/8740911/

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Tue 05/06/14 06:47 AM
Supreme Court allows Prayers at Town Meetings

www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjWykr5XYpc

Pretty soon our Supreme Courts will be basing their decisions on moral rather than legal grounds. And they've got Judge Roy Moore as their most fervent supporter.

Slippery slopes folks...

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Tue 05/06/14 06:55 AM


Judge Moore says our founding fathers brought a Bible with them when they landed in America, so as far as he's concerned all other religious faiths that are here now too aren't the right ones, only his is.

It's like he's saying, "My God is better than Your God." Nanny-nanny-boo-boo... I'm right and you're wrong... shame on you...

This is a very closed minded view of God... Scary stuff here indeed... scared

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Tue 05/06/14 07:02 AM
how did he get to be a Chief Justice without knowing that our Rights come from the Constitution? You folk in 'bama need to do a better job on election day it seems...

really think about how he came to be in the position he is in. He was either elected or appointed by someone who was elected.....the premise of our gov't is that our officials are representative of the populations' majority vote. My guess based on our public process is that there is a sizeable chunk of 'bama who agrees with him, sadly, or he would not be where he is.

Another good reason to sing Yankee Doodle....ohwell

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Tue 05/06/14 07:06 AM



Judge Moore says our founding fathers brought a Bible with them when they landed in America, so as far as he's concerned all other religious faiths that are here now too aren't the right ones, only his is.

It's like he's saying, "My God is better than Your God." Nanny-nanny-boo-boo... I'm right and you're wrong... shame on you...

This is a very closed minded view of God... Scary stuff here indeed... scared



I have admit I do believe that we are fundamentally a Christian country due to the origins of our original colonies and our original Declarations and laws, and that is probably not going to change, however, our Constitution protects the right to worship for all and specifically avoids "appointing" a state religion. Your Chief Justice needs to remove his personal preferences from his governmental responsibility. What is sad is that he REALLY REALLY needs you and I to point that out to him...

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Tue 05/06/14 07:08 AM
Edited by AthenaRose2 on Tue 05/06/14 07:11 AM

how did he get to be a Chief Justice without knowing that our Rights come from the Constitution? You folk in 'bama need to do a better job on election day it seems...

really think about how he came to be in the position he is in. He was either elected or appointed by someone who was elected.....the premise of our gov't is that our officials are representative of the populations' majority vote. My guess based on our public process is that there is a sizeable chunk of 'bama who agrees with him, sadly, or he would not be where he is.

Another good reason to sing Yankee Doodle....ohwell


:thumbsup:

I've been a lone voice involved in Alabama politics behind the scenes for decades. And can testify based on personal experience that the majority here are anti-progressive. This isn't meant as a derogatory term or put down, it's simply a statement of fact, and Judge Roy Moore's words and actions back it up.

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Tue 05/06/14 08:51 PM


If he's violated the Constitution,impeach him!


That's a good idea, but for that we need more than one voice of national and local dissent.

I very much believe in God and living our lives according to His teachings through His son's life and death sacrifice for our sins. (A whole other thread topic not meant for this board).

But I also believe in the separation of church and state.

And for any state representative to publicly espouse his religious views in ways that make him look like he's proselytizing isn't cool.

There's a reason the Constitution was created with this issue in mind.




The constitution does not say anything about separation of church and state, that is a total misconception. The only reference to religion is in the First Amendment and it is but a restriction on the government:


Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


This restriction is on the establishment of an official religion like the Church of England. This part of the amendment was the instance of William Penn, a Quaker that was prosecuted by the King of England.

Additionally, the intention of the founders on the creator is very explicit in the first paragraph of the Declaration of Independence:


When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.


This is very plain that they were not specifically speaking of a God, but of the laws of nature and Nature's god, meaning that which each individual may deem their as their belief, whether as a belief in religion or in nature's evolution. But the real key to the whole concept is based on the laws of nature which are universal across all religions and all ethic backgrounds.

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Tue 05/06/14 08:58 PM

Supreme Court allows Prayers at Town Meetings

www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjWykr5XYpc

Pretty soon our Supreme Courts will be basing their decisions on moral rather than legal grounds. And they've got Judge Roy Moore as their most fervent supporter.

Slippery slopes folks...


Ah, those mystical being in black robes at it again, legislating from the bench.

However, it is not a slippery slope, it is perfectly lawful so long as everyone gets fair treatment. The last county were I resided in Florida always started the town meeting with a prayer. Each church in the county was offered to put their name in the queue and would get their turn in rotation. That met the constitution as each was allowed their turn.

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Tue 05/06/14 09:07 PM

how did he get to be a Chief Justice without knowing that our Rights come from the Constitution? You folk in 'bama need to do a better job on election day it seems...

really think about how he came to be in the position he is in. He was either elected or appointed by someone who was elected.....the premise of our gov't is that our officials are representative of the populations' majority vote. My guess based on our public process is that there is a sizeable chunk of 'bama who agrees with him, sadly, or he would not be where he is.

Another good reason to sing Yankee Doodle....ohwell


First if he even stated that our rights came from the constitution, he should be impeached as an imposter in the office, fraud. Rights do not come from any constitution, only one uneducated in the constitution would even insinuate such a thing. To those that think the constitution instills rights come under the 14th Amendment and that wouldn't be rights but privileges. Privileges are granted and likewise can be removed by the grantor.

The only rights in the constitution are those rights delegated by the people to the government. And the people can't delegate what they don't have, so any exercise of power not inherent in the people can not be delegated to government.

Second, this is a republic and the majority vote counts for nothing when it comes to rights. A minority of one can give the finger to the other 300 and some million people when it involves rights and can ignore that super majority with complete impunity.

So you go sing "Yankee Doodle" and I will stand on my rights and laugh as you enjoy your just reward.

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Tue 05/06/14 09:35 PM
Edited by alnewman on Tue 05/06/14 09:37 PM

I have admit I do believe that we are fundamentally a Christian country due to the origins of our original colonies and our original Declarations and laws, and that is probably not going to change, however, our Constitution protects the right to worship for all and specifically avoids "appointing" a state religion. Your Chief Justice needs to remove his personal preferences from his governmental responsibility. What is sad is that he REALLY REALLY needs you and I to point that out to him...


The only guarantee in the constitution:


Article IV. Section. 4.
The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened), against domestic Violence.


And even that is not a very strong guarantee. What is the constitution to do if it is violated, catch on fire?

The constitution is but four pieces of parchment, an inert object. It has no ability to guarantee anything.

It is amazing at just how little people understand the whole concept but it was emphatically stated by the founders:


"Well, Doctor, what have we got-��a Republic or a Monarchy?"

"A Republic, if you can keep it."
-Ben Franklin


"The Constitution, on this hypothesis, is a mere thing of wax in the hands of the Judiciary, which they may twist and shape into any form they please."
-Thomas Jefferson


"Posterity: you will never know how much it has cost my generation to preserve your freedom. I hope you will make good use of it."
-John Quincy Adams


"There is danger from all men. The only maxim of a free government ought to be to trust no man living with power to endanger the public liberty."
-John Adams


All warnings of our founders (and one founders son) about being diligent in the protection of our rights.

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Wed 05/07/14 12:40 AM



If he's violated the Constitution,impeach him!


That's a good idea, but for that we need more than one voice of national and local dissent.

I very much believe in God and living our lives according to His teachings through His son's life and death sacrifice for our sins. (A whole other thread topic not meant for this board).

But I also believe in the separation of church and state.

And for any state representative to publicly espouse his religious views in ways that make him look like he's proselytizing isn't cool.

There's a reason the Constitution was created with this issue in mind.




The constitution does not say anything about separation of church and state, that is a total misconception. The only reference to religion is in the First Amendment and it is but a restriction on the government:


Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


This restriction is on the establishment of an official religion like the Church of England. This part of the amendment was the instance of William Penn, a Quaker that was prosecuted by the King of England.

Additionally, the intention of the founders on the creator is very explicit in the first paragraph of the Declaration of Independence:


When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.


This is very plain that they were not specifically speaking of a God, but of the laws of nature and Nature's god, meaning that which each individual may deem their as their belief, whether as a belief in religion or in nature's evolution. But the real key to the whole concept is based on the laws of nature which are universal across all religions and all ethic backgrounds.


Thank you for this information... flowerforyou

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Wed 05/07/14 01:06 AM
Edited by AthenaRose2 on Wed 05/07/14 01:38 AM
Judge Roy Moore Gives Legal Opinion on Iowa Gay Marriage, Same Sex Marriage, Gay, Law, Bible

www.youtube.com/watch?v=m34ElyxJk_s

1) America looks to you for leadership, because what happens in Iowa affects the rest of the nation. Right here (in America) we've got a moral meltdown
2) Some in our country seek to destroy virtue and morality which we all hold dear
3) Radical judges, liberal politicians, some in the highest office in our land seek to destroy the family as we know it

Judge Moore is using his religion to voice, advocate, and protect his positions on bigotry. He's politely giving the finger to everyone he judgmentally abhors. And is using the bible as a weapon to separate people not as a teaching tool to bring them together.

A subtle form of exclusion and segregation tactics. (Intellectual manipulation to divide and conquer)

Proselytizing, plain and simple.

Using his position as a public servant to advance his personal beliefs. He needs to get his own congregation and pastor them, instead of getting tax payers that don't think like he does to pay his salary to speak out against them.

In more simplistic layman's terms, this is what I'm referring to when I say it's not cool to mix church and state. Or does he only accept pay checks from the righteous?

think

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Wed 05/07/14 01:16 AM
Edited by AthenaRose2 on Wed 05/07/14 01:22 AM
Judge Roy Moore

www.youtube.com/watch?v=WS9q-Cz9nBg

1) Judge Roy stands for "righteousness" in his State (Alabama)
2) "As Chief Justice I will uphold and support your rights and freedoms under the Constitution of Alabama and the Constitution of the United States"

Judge Roy Moore seems to be of two minds. Whose rights and freedoms is he upholding and supporting? Everyone's, even those who don't share his views? Or only those whom he deems righteous?

So as a judge, does he levy legal decisions based on law, codes and neutrality? Or are they laced with his personal and openly biased agenda?

think


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