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Topic: Poverty
Conrad_73's photo
Wed 11/26/14 01:41 PM
Most people lump together into the same category all men who become rich, refusing to consider the essential question: the source of the riches, the means by which the wealth was acquired.

When people refuse to consider the source of wealth, what they refuse to recognize is the fact that wealth is the product of man’s intellect, of his creative ability, fully as much as is art, science, philosophy or any other human value.



“The Money-Making Personality,”
The Objectivist Forum, Feb. 1983, 2

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Thu 11/27/14 09:43 AM

davidben1's photo
Thu 11/27/14 12:52 PM
it is for certain only those believing what they wish to believe use stereotypes to define what should be valued and so good...

for in every stereotype lye a lie...

a partial truth...

that is more deceiving than the largest lie that could be told...

for in each stereotype there can be found the opposite, that make it not a constant, or a principle of fact, since it is only true SOME OF THE TIME...

and if what is true only some of the time, be used to decide anything, than good results will only occur "some of the time"...

emotionally soothing words and pictures only make the emotions gravitate to only what prove what was first wished to be believed to start with, making personality on an individual basis, per the individual life, per the individual group, individual town, individual view of country, come to be believed as the only honorable and good and of value...

but indeed, only a non emotional none biased perspective not based on one's own personal past and kinship's and families, can create a global perspective, that each day the more will be direly necessary to walk into the future of a global world interconnected and creating the fate of each other, ahead of the curve of old ways of humanity, not allowing such overwhelming deceptive tactics of emotional marketing ploys targeted to the gullible to hoo doo the mind, hiding what true equality of and for all in the world is and could and will be.




Sojourning_Soul's photo
Sat 11/29/14 06:16 AM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Sat 11/29/14 06:28 AM

it is for certain only those believing what they wish to believe use stereotypes to define what should be valued and so good...

for in every stereotype lye a lie...

a partial truth...

that is more deceiving than the largest lie that could be told...

for in each stereotype there can be found the opposite, that make it not a constant, or a principle of fact, since it is only true SOME OF THE TIME...

and if what is true only some of the time, be used to decide anything, than good results will only occur "some of the time"...

emotionally soothing words and pictures only make the emotions gravitate to only what prove what was first wished to be believed to start with, making personality on an individual basis, per the individual life, per the individual group, individual town, individual view of country, come to be believed as the only honorable and good and of value...

but indeed, only a non emotional none biased perspective not based on one's own personal past and kinship's and families, can create a global perspective, that each day the more will be direly necessary to walk into the future of a global world interconnected and creating the fate of each other, ahead of the curve of old ways of humanity, not allowing such overwhelming deceptive tactics of emotional marketing ploys targeted to the gullible to hoo doo the mind, hiding what true equality of and for all in the world is and could and will be.



So you think Monsanto (with the help of govt) seizing and corporatizing farms, driving farmers out of business and the homes and lands they have owned and worked for generations, taking control of the nations food supply for experimentation on the masses is a good thing then? slaphead

Cancer does create wealth as well I guess..... probably more than DC allows our privately/family owned farms to generate

Enjoyed any wholesome or organic foods lately you haven't paid thru the nose for?

How about foods that haven't been geneticly altered or infected with some kind of growth hormone or gene experiment that now flood our supermarkets while being outlawed in other countries for that reason......which the govt (thanks to the Monsanto lobbyist dollars) won't allow to be labeled here?

Americans Are Too Stupid For GMO Labeling, Congressional Panel Says

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/10/gmo-labels-congress_n_5576255.html

davidben1's photo
Sat 11/29/14 01:58 PM
wishing to believe the worlds peoples are a victim only comes from wanting to believe one self a victim, and such is like feeling sorry for a prostitute that used no protection and got aids.

the delirium of self pity and one self as a victim is what allowed anything to even begin to occur that was not in the peoples best interest to begin with.

and now one thinks fascist little hitlers deeming them selves victims will change something for the better...

if self pity and self absorption created all that is, than more of the same shall bring down a order the crushes self pity into wine.




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Sat 11/29/14 02:43 PM


it is for certain only those believing what they wish to believe use stereotypes to define what should be valued and so good...

for in every stereotype lye a lie...

a partial truth...

that is more deceiving than the largest lie that could be told...

for in each stereotype there can be found the opposite, that make it not a constant, or a principle of fact, since it is only true SOME OF THE TIME...

and if what is true only some of the time, be used to decide anything, than good results will only occur "some of the time"...

emotionally soothing words and pictures only make the emotions gravitate to only what prove what was first wished to be believed to start with, making personality on an individual basis, per the individual life, per the individual group, individual town, individual view of country, come to be believed as the only honorable and good and of value...

but indeed, only a non emotional none biased perspective not based on one's own personal past and kinship's and families, can create a global perspective, that each day the more will be direly necessary to walk into the future of a global world interconnected and creating the fate of each other, ahead of the curve of old ways of humanity, not allowing such overwhelming deceptive tactics of emotional marketing ploys targeted to the gullible to hoo doo the mind, hiding what true equality of and for all in the world is and could and will be.



So you think Monsanto (with the help of govt) seizing and corporatizing farms, driving farmers out of business and the homes and lands they have owned and worked for generations, taking control of the nations food supply for experimentation on the masses is a good thing then? slaphead

Cancer does create wealth as well I guess..... probably more than DC allows our privately/family owned farms to generate

Enjoyed any wholesome or organic foods lately you haven't paid thru the nose for?

How about foods that haven't been geneticly altered or infected with some kind of growth hormone or gene experiment that now flood our supermarkets while being outlawed in other countries for that reason......which the govt (thanks to the Monsanto lobbyist dollars) won't allow to be labeled here?

Americans Are Too Stupid For GMO Labeling, Congressional Panel Says

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/10/gmo-labels-congress_n_5576255.html


That is so true as the article says:

"I really worry that labeling does more harm than good, that it leads too many people away from it and it diminishes the market for GMOs that are the solution to a lot of the problems we face," said David Just, a professor at Cornell University and co-director of the Cornell Center for Behavioral Economics in Child Nutrition Programs.

Imagine, a professor at a supposed leading university professor that thinks the populace are stupid and that the GMO can't stand on it's own so the public must be deceived for their own good. But a question that is never asked to these supposed experts, do you eat GMO over natural, of course they don't. GMOs are not allowed at the Monsanto cafeteria, they know better.

But that is not the issue with the other poster. He is upset because this opposition is in opposition to Agenda 21 and the New World Order. Such a wonderous thought, to have all those blue berets walking around making sure there are no illegal organic gardens being raised. Off to indoctrination camps for the offenders.

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Sat 11/29/14 03:16 PM
hearsay the gullible as the self declared wise one's do eat up, hook line and sinker, to their own sinking.

somehow these feel that "evil" be never them self...

somehow these feel that "evil" be any who are not like them self...

somehow these feel that "bad" is anything that likes different things than them self...

a new world order is about creating a TREU EQUAL WORLD...

a world with no self professed "CHRISTIAN" BASED guidelines...

a world where "mutual consent" is the only moral code...

a world where no more MORALITY CRAPZ of the self superior be included in any guidelines of human acceptable behavior...

and no doubt, such world the many self professed "morally superior would not like...

since these wish to "control" the behavior of many others calling it "righteousness"...

please...

blue berets...

to keep order in the land of debased zombies...

what a human allow it self to become no matter the outward stimuli is it's own doing and accountability.

a new world order would only need to use such tactics to implement equal mutual consent into order unless it were for many who could care less about mutual agreement or mutual consent as any self honor...

if one wished to shore up the shores, it would seem it would be focusing on these things instead of blaming authority and police...

when we zombies whom have ALLOWED THEM SELF, with their own vices, to become so debased as to make black Friday look no different than zombie day...

please...

it's time the people took responsibility for what they them self have become, and created, stop blaming it on others and the governments.


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Sat 11/29/14 03:21 PM

wishing to believe the worlds peoples are a victim only comes from wanting to believe one self a victim, and such is like feeling sorry for a prostitute that used no protection and got aids.

the delirium of self pity and one self as a victim is what allowed anything to even begin to occur that was not in the peoples best interest to begin with.

and now one thinks fascist little hitlers deeming them selves victims will change something for the better...

if self pity and self absorption created all that is, than more of the same shall bring down a order the crushes self pity into wine.


So by your analogy those not a slave will be a slave and a slave is a slave. By the same token those not a victim will become a victim along with the victims.

And your idea of freedom is to surrender all personal freedoms and desire and to submit to the welfare of the whole, the philosophy of the new world order, Agenda 21.

And to believe that some new little fascist, socialist, neo-con, monarch, oligarch or dictator would somehow be any different than what is here now it the manifestation of an diseased psyche.

And why is it that the New World Order is being held at bay, the American people that refuse to surrender the guns, the last bastion in a world devoid of morality or value.

Dodo_David's photo
Sat 11/29/14 03:21 PM
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davidben1's photo
Sat 11/29/14 03:25 PM


wishing to believe the worlds peoples are a victim only comes from wanting to believe one self a victim, and such is like feeling sorry for a prostitute that used no protection and got aids.

the delirium of self pity and one self as a victim is what allowed anything to even begin to occur that was not in the peoples best interest to begin with.

and now one thinks fascist little hitlers deeming them selves victims will change something for the better...

if self pity and self absorption created all that is, than more of the same shall bring down a order the crushes self pity into wine.


So by your analogy those not a slave will be a slave and a slave is a slave. By the same token those not a victim will become a victim along with the victims.

And your idea of freedom is to surrender all personal freedoms and desire and to submit to the welfare of the whole, the philosophy of the new world order, Agenda 21.

And to believe that some new little fascist, socialist, neo-con, monarch, oligarch or dictator would somehow be any different than what is here now it the manifestation of an diseased psyche.

And why is it that the New World Order is being held at bay, the American people that refuse to surrender the guns, the last bastion in a world devoid of morality or value.



the new world order, being held at bay, hehehe...

damn, to live in a fantasy world of data fed to one self as wisdom, leave lil hitlers marching for THEIR MORALITY as god.

the tides shall wash away those whom live in "morality"...

blind blind blind.


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Sun 11/30/14 12:38 PM

wishing to believe the worlds peoples are a victim only comes from wanting to believe one self a victim, and such is like feeling sorry for a prostitute that used no protection and got aids.

the delirium of self pity and one self as a victim is what allowed anything to even begin to occur that was not in the peoples best interest to begin with.

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Surely we can feel _sorry_ for them (the prostitute who got aids) without being a part of the problem... the problem of glorification of victim-hood and as you say the 'delirium of self pity'.

I mean, for me the line is drawn when a person insists that they are not at all responsible for their circumstances. But we can still have compassion and caring for people who make bad decisions.

The difference lies in what we do with our compassion - do we encourage the person you care about to feel self pity and blame others? Or do we try to teach them personal responsibility?


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Mon 12/01/14 02:33 AM
help one overcome self pity and one has given life.

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