Topic: BIBLE RECENTLY ALTERED
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Sat 07/18/15 09:35 AM


Hello beloved saints,
I'm sure you know that NIV was published by Zondervan but is now OWNED by Harper Collins, who also publishes the Satanic Bible and The Joy of Gay Sex.

The NIV has now removed 64,575 words from the Bible including Jehovah, Calvary, Holy Ghost and omnipotent to name but a few...

The NIV has also now removed 45 complete verses. Most of us have the Bible on our devices and phones.



Try and find these scriptures in NIV on your computer, phone or device right now if you are in doubt:

Matthew 17:21, 18:11, 23:14; Mark 7:16, 9:44, 9:46; Luke 17:36, 23:17; John 5:4; Acts 8:37

...you will not believe your eyes.



Refuse to be blinded by Satan, and do not act like you just don't care. Let's not forget what the Lord Jesus said in John 10:10 (King James Version‬)

THE SOLUTION

If you must use the NIV,
BUY and KEEP AN EARLIER VERSION OF the BIBLE. A Hard Copy cannot be updated. All these changes occur when they ask you to update the app. On your phone or laptop etc. Buy and KEEP EARLIER VERSIONS AND STORE THEM.

There is a crusade geared towards altering the Bible as we know it; NIV and many more versions are affected.

Pass this message on its the beginning of what's to come!

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Sat 07/18/15 11:21 AM
Edited by Dodo_David on Sat 07/18/15 11:46 AM
Hello beloved saints,
I'm sure you know that KJV was published by Zondervan but is now OWNED by Harper Collins, who also publishes the Satanic Bible and The Joy of Gay Sex.

Yes, the NIV and the KJV are both published by Zondervan.

By the way, the KJV isn't the standard for comparison.

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Sat 07/18/15 11:31 AM

Meanwhile, back in this universe ...
It WAS altered. I posted to you, to Yellowrose , that other guy & 3 links supporting the OP, because he is telling the truth. I also apologized to him.

For some unknown reason, the thread was deleted.

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Sat 07/18/15 11:43 AM
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Bible > Deuteronomy > Chapter 4 > Verse 2

◄ Deuteronomy 4:2 ►
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New International Version
Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the LORD your God that I give you.

New Living Translation
Do not add to or subtract from these commands I am giving you. Just obey the commands of the LORD your God that I am giving you.

English Standard Version
You shall not add to the word that I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God that I command you.

New American Standard Bible
"You shall not add to the word which I am commanding you, nor take away from it, that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

King James Bible
Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
You must not add anything to what I command you or take anything away from it, so that you may keep the commands of the LORD your God I am giving you.

International Standard Version
Do not add or subtract a thing to what I'm commanding you. Observe the commands of the LORD your God.

NET Bible
Do not add a thing to what I command you nor subtract from it, so that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God that I am delivering to you.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
Never add anything to what I command you, or take anything away from it. Then you will be able to obey the commands of the LORD your God that I give you.

Jubilee Bible 2000
Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish anything from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

King James 2000 Bible
You shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall you take away from it, that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

American King James Version
You shall not add to the word which I command you, neither shall you diminish ought from it, that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

American Standard Version
Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish from it, that ye may keep the commandments of Jehovah your God which I command you.

Douay-Rheims Bible
You shall not add to the word that I speak to you, neither shall you take away from it: keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.

Darby Bible Translation
Ye shall not add to the word which I command you, neither shall ye take from it, that ye may keep the commandments of Jehovah your God which I command you.

English Revised Version
Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

Webster's Bible Translation
Ye shall not add to the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish aught from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

World English Bible
You shall not add to the word which I command you, neither shall you diminish from it, that you may keep the commandments of Yahweh your God which I command you.

Young's Literal Translation
Ye do not add to the word which I am commanding you, nor diminish from it, to keep the commands of Jehovah your God which I am commanding you.
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Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary

4:1-23 The power and love of God to Israel are here made the ground and reason of a number of cautions and serious warnings; and although there is much reference to their national covenant, yet all may be applied to those who live under the gospel. What are laws made for but to be observed and obeyed? Our obedience as individuals cannot merit salvation; but it is the only evidence that we are partakers of the gift of God, which is eternal life through Jesus Christ, Considering how many temptations we are compassed with, and what corrupt desires we have in our bosoms, we have great need to keep our hearts with all diligence. Those cannot walk aright, who walk carelessly. Moses charges particularly to take heed of the sin of idolatry. He shows how weak the temptation would be to those who thought aright; for these pretended gods, the sun, moon, and stars, were only blessings which the Lord their God had imparted to all nations. It is absurd to worship them; shall we serve those that were made to serve us? Take heed lest ye forget the covenant of the Lord your God. We must take heed lest at any time we forget our religion. Care, caution, and watchfulness, are helps against a bad memory.

Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible

Ye shall not add to the word which I command you, nether shall you diminish ought from it,.... Neither make new laws of their own, and join them to the law of God, and set them upon a level with it, or prefer them before it; as the Scribes and Pharisees did in Christ's time, who by their traditions made the word of God of none effect, as do the Papists also by their unwritten traditions; nor abrogate nor detract from the law of God, nor make void any part of it: or else the sense is, neither do that which is forbidden, nor neglect that which is commanded; neither be guilty of sins of omission nor commission, nor in any way break the law of God, and teach men so to do by word or by example; not a jot or tittle is either to be put to it, or taken from it, Proverbs 30:5.

that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God, which I command you; in his name; or which he delivered unto them as his commandments, and which were to be kept just as they were delivered, without adding to them, or taking from them.

Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary

2. Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you—by the introduction of any heathen superstition or forms of worship different from those which I have appointed (De 12:32; Nu 15:39; Mt 15:9).

neither shall ye diminish aught from it—by the neglect or omission of any of the observances, however trivial or irksome, which I have prescribed. The character and provisions of the ancient dispensation were adapted with divine wisdom to the instruction of that infant state of the church. But it was only a temporary economy; and although God here authorizes Moses to command that all its institutions should be honored with unfailing observance, this did not prevent Him from commissioning other prophets to alter or abrogate them when the end of that dispensation was attained.

Deuteronomy 4:2 Additional Commentaries
Context
An Exhortation to Obedience
1"Now, O Israel, listen to the statutes and the judgments which I am teaching you to perform, so that you may live and go in and take possession of the land which the LORD, the God of your fathers, is giving you. 2"You shall not add to the word which I am commanding you, nor take away from it, that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you. 3"Your eyes have seen what the LORD has done in the case of Baal-peor, for all the men who followed Baal-peor, the LORD your God has destroyed them from among you.…
Cross References
Revelation 22:18
I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll.

Revelation 22:19
And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.

Deuteronomy 1:3
In the fortieth year, on the first day of the eleventh month, Moses proclaimed to the Israelites all that the LORD had commanded him concerning them.

Deuteronomy 4:5
See, I have taught you decrees and laws as the LORD my God commanded me, so that you may follow them in the land you are entering to take possession of it.

Deuteronomy 4:14
And the LORD directed me at that time to teach you the decrees and laws you are to follow in the land that you are crossing the Jordan to possess.

Deuteronomy 4:40
Keep his decrees and commands, which I am giving you today, so that it may go well with you and your children after you and that you may live long in the land the LORD your God gives you for all time.

Deuteronomy 12:32
See that you do all I command you; do not add to it or take away from it.

Deuteronomy 33:4
the law that Moses gave us, the possession of the assembly of Jacob.

Psalm 78:7
Then they would put their trust in God and would not forget his deeds but would keep his commands.

Proverbs 30:6
Do not add to his words, or he will rebuke you and prove you a liar.

Ecclesiastes 12:13
Now all has been heard; here is the conclusion of the matter: Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the duty of all mankind.

Jeremiah 26:2
"This is what the LORD says: Stand in the courtyard of the LORD's house and speak to all the people of the towns of Judah who come to worship in the house of the LORD. Tell them everything I command you; do not omit a word.
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You shall not add to the word which I command you, neither shall you diminish ought from it, that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

Deuteronomy 12:32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: you shall not …
Joshua 1:7 Only be you strong and very courageous, that you may observe to do …
Proverbs 30:6 Add you not to his words, lest he reprove you, and you be found a liar.
Ecclesiastes 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep …
Matthew 5:18,43 For truly I say to you, Till heaven and earth pass, one stroke or …
Matthew 15:2-9 Why do your disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for …
Mark 7:1-13 Then came together to him the Pharisees, and certain of the scribes, …
Galatians 3:15 Brothers, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's …
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Sat 07/18/15 11:50 AM
For what it's worth, the KJV contains a word in 1 Corinthians 14:2 that isn't in the Greek New Testament manuscripts. Thus, the KJV has added to the Bible.

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Bible > Revelation > Chapter 22 > Verse 19

◄ Revelation 22:19 ►
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New International Version
And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.

New Living Translation
And if anyone removes any of the words from this book of prophecy, God will remove that person's share in the tree of life and in the holy city that are described in this book.

English Standard Version
and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.

New American Standard Bible
and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book.

King James Bible
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
And if anyone takes away from the words of this prophetic book, God will take away his share of the tree of life and the holy city, written in this book.

International Standard Version
If anyone takes away any words from the book of this prophecy, God will take away his portion of the tree of life and the holy city that are described in this book.

NET Bible
And if anyone takes away from the words of this book of prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city that are described in this book.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
“And whoever subtracts from the words of the Scripture of this prophecy, God shall subtract his part from The Tree of Life and from The Holy City, those things which are written in this book.”

GOD'S WORD® Translation
If anyone takes away any words from this book of prophecy, God will take away his portion of the tree of life and the holy city that are described in this book.

Jubilee Bible 2000
and if anyone shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life and out of the holy city and from the things which are written in this book.

King James 2000 Bible
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

American King James Version
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

American Standard Version
and if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the tree of life, and out of the holy city, which are written in this book.

Douay-Rheims Bible
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from these things that are written in this book.

Darby Bible Translation
And if any one take from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the tree of life, and out of the holy city, which are written in this book.

English Revised Version
and if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the tree of life, and out of the holy city, which are written in this book.

Webster's Bible Translation
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Weymouth New Testament
and that if any one takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take from him his share in the Tree of Life and in the holy city--the things described in this book.

World English Bible
If anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, may God take away his part from the tree of life, and out of the holy city, which are written in this book.

Young's Literal Translation
and if any one may take away from the words of the scroll of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the scroll of the life, and out of the holy city, and the things that have been written in this scroll;'
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Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary

22:6-19 The Lord Jesus spake by the angel, solemnly confirming the contents of this book, particularly of this last vision. He is the Lord God faithful and true. Also by his messengers; the holy angels showed them to holy men of God. They are things that must shortly be done; Christ will come quickly, and put all things out of doubt. And by the integrity of that angel who had been the apostle's interpreter. He refused to accept religious worship from John, and reproved him for offering it. This presents another testimony against idolatrous worship of saints and angels. God calls every one to witness to the declarations here made. This book, thus kept open, will have effect upon men; the filthy and unjust will be more so, but it will confirm, strengthen, and further sanctify those who are upright with God. Never let us think that a dead or disobedient faith will save us, for the First and the Last has declared that those alone are blessed who do his commandments. It is a book that shuts out form heaven all wicked and unrighteous persons, particularly those who love and make lies, therefore cannot itself be a lie. There is no middle place or condition. Jesus, who is the Spirit of prophecy, has given his churches this morning-light of prophecy, to assure them of the light of the perfect day approaching. All is confirmed by an open and general invitation to mankind, to come and partake freely of the promises and of the privileges of the gospel. The Spirit, by the sacred word, and by convictions and influence in the sinner's conscience, says, Come to Christ for salvation; and the bride, or the whole church, on earth and in heaven, says, Come and share our happiness. Lest any should hesitate, it is added, Let whosoever will, or, is willing, come and take of the water of life freely. May every one who hears or reads these words, desire at once to accept the gracious invitation. All are condemned who should dare to corrupt or change the word of God, either by adding to it, or taking from it.

Pulpit Commentary

Verse 19. - And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book; from the tree of life; i.e. that mentioned in ver. 2 and in ver. 14, where also the city is mentioned. Even from the things written in this book seems to be the real meaning of the last clause; not merely the tree and city which are written, etc. Just as the evils set forth in the Apocalypse are declared in ver. 18 to be the portion of those who add to the book, so those who take from the book are deprived of those blessings which have been constantly referred to in the book.

Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible

And if any man shall take away from the prophecy of this book,.... As he may be said to do, who denies the authority of this book, which has been done by some, and which the Holy Ghost foresaw; or takes it away from, or denies the reading of it to the people, as the Papists do with respect to the whole Scripture; and who wilfully pervert the sense of it, and will not have the things in it, relating to antichrist, to belong to him.

God shall take away his part out of the book of life; by which is meant eternal election, which is the meaning of the phrase throughout this book, in which whoever are written shall certainly be saved. The worshippers of the beast, or the antichristian party, who are chiefly regarded here, are not written in it, Revelation 13:8 wherefore taking away the part of such, is only taking away that which they seemed to have; see Luke 8:18 and the sense is, that such shall be cast into the lake of fire, which is the second death, and will be the portion of all that are not written in the book of life, Revelation 20:15. The Alexandrian copy, one of Stephens's, and the Complutensian edition, read, "the tree of life"; and so do the Syriac and Ethiopic versions; the sense is the same; see John 15:2 and out of the holy city; the new Jerusalem, before described, a part in which is a right to enter into it through the gates, and possess the glories of it: what is mentioned here is only a seeming one, which wicked men may flatter themselves with; and the meaning is, that such shall never enter into it, and enjoy the happiness of it, but shall ever be without, Revelation 21:27

and from the things which are written in this book; the blessings promised to the overcomers in Revelation 2:7 which such as detract from this book shall have no share in. The Alexandrian copy, with some others, and the Syriac version, leave out the copulative "and", and read "which are written", &c. connecting them with the book of life, and holy city, which are written, and spoken of, in this book. The Ethiopic version connects the words with the holy city, only reading them, "which is written", &c. The Jews say of their Talmud, that nothing is to be added to it, or diminished from it (o).

(o) Ganz. Tzemach David, par. 1. fol. 34. 1.

Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary

19. book—None of our manuscripts read this. A, B, Aleph, Vulgate, Syriac, and Coptic read, "(take away his part, that is, portion) from the tree of life," that is, shall deprive him of participation in the tree of life.

and from the things—so Vulgate. But A, B, Aleph, Syriac, Coptic, and Andreas omit "and"; then "which are written in this book" will refer to "the holy city and the tree of life." As in the beginning of this book (Re 1:3) a blessing was promised to the devout, obedient student of it, so now at its close a curse is denounced against those who add to, or take from, it.

Revelation 22:19 Additional Commentaries
Context
Nothing May Be Added
18I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book; 19and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book. 20He who testifies to these things says, "Yes, I am coming quickly." Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.…
Cross References
Deuteronomy 4:2
Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the LORD your God that I give you.

Deuteronomy 12:32
See that you do all I command you; do not add to it or take away from it.

Proverbs 30:6
Do not add to his words, or he will rebuke you and prove you a liar.

Revelation 11:2
But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles. They will trample on the holy city for 42 months.

Revelation 21:2
I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.

Revelation 21:5
He who was seated on the throne said, "I am making everything new!" Then he said, "Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true."

Revelation 22:2
down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations.

Revelation 22:7
"Look, I am coming soon! Blessed is the one who keeps the words of the prophecy written in this scroll."
Treasury of Scripture
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

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Revelation 2:18 And to the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things said …
Luke 11:52 Woe to you, lawyers! for you have taken away the key of knowledge: …
God. See on ch.

Revelation 3:5 He that overcomes, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and …
Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell on the earth shall worship him…
Exodus 32:33 And the LORD said to Moses, Whoever has sinned against me, him will …
Psalm 69:28 Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written …
out of the book of life. or, from the tree of life. See on ver.

Revelation 22:2 In the middle of the street of it, and on either side of the river, …
and out. See on ch.

Revelation 21:2,22-27 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God …
and from.

Revelation 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every …
Revelation 1:3 Blessed is he that reads, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, …
Revelation 2:7,11,17,26 He that has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit said to the churches; …
Revelation 3:4,5,12,21 You have a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their …
Revelation 7:9-17 After this I beheld, and, see, a great multitude, which no man could …
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Sat 07/18/15 12:07 PM

For what it's worth, the KJV contains a word in 1 Corinthians 14:2 that isn't in the Greek New Testament manuscripts. Thus, the KJV has added to the Bible.


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Sat 07/18/15 12:20 PM
D40nine, Thank you for bringing this to my attention & for all The Brothers & Sisters :angel: Communion Of Saints to know. One in the Body of our Lord & Saviour, Jesus Christ.

The INV was written in 1979-1978, there was controversy & objections from the start. Beginning in The first book of Genesis .
Later, they changed the definition of "meat".
Later... they stopped notifying the reader of ANY changes. More controversy & objections. Then footnotes were omitted with references. And now this...
Yes, I have links & can find & post more.


Shalom
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Sat 07/18/15 01:27 PM


Try and find these scriptures in NIV on your computer, phone or device right now if you are in doubt:

Pass this message on its the beginning of what's to come!


It is easy to follow panic. Just seek for negative and you find negative. According to God’s Word, blessed are the peace makers, I decided digging for the truth. I spent two hours online for checking John 5:4 in 52 English Bibles.

23 English Bibles, include John 5 Verse 4
26 English Bibles, without the Verse
2 English Bibles, the Verse in brackets
1 English Bible, Verse 4 in a footnote
Plus 1 Bible in German language, without Verse 4

Not the new NIV brings trouble, but those who stop people from reading the new NIV Bible and other Versions. I am a believer, not a doubter.
Be blessed in the Name of our Lord Jesus Christ!
Rev. Vera

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Sat 07/18/15 01:31 PM
No problem, my friend. flowerforyou
I was also shocked as you are when I first saw it. I posted it on just about all the places I could! From Google+ to Facebook and now here. We (Christians) and everyone else, should know what's really going on in this ungodly world in which we reside. Sigh...

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No problem, my friend. flowerforyou
I was also shocked as you are when I first saw it. I posted it on just about all the places I could! From Google+ to Facebook and now here. We (Christians) and everyone else, should know what's really going on in this ungodly world in which we reside. Sigh...


Since the Garden of Eden, when God TOLD Adam what to tell Eve... & he gave HIS own version, so she did NOT understand & was tempted. Then Satan mixed the TRUTH with lies & distorted it. And deceived her & she tempted Adam.
Lies & sin began with Satan.
And the TRUTH still gets omitted & distorted. And it is an ongoing struggle & sometimes a battle.
Today.. in the Generation Of The Fig Tree, MORE so.... than ever before.

:angel:
Shalom

* If you have links or you copy an article , like the above one, please try to include, as much data as possible. People want proof on forums. If you can't post a link, let me know as soon as you can. I will find it *

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Right on the money, my friend! Sooo true.
Yeah, roger that. I will.

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Sat 07/18/15 04:24 PM
Edited by Dodo_David on Sat 07/18/15 04:27 PM


For what it's worth, the KJV contains a word in 1 Corinthians 14:2 that isn't in the Greek New Testament manuscripts. Thus, the KJV has added to the Bible.


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The KJV of 1 Corinthians 14:2 contains a word that isn't in the Greek manuscripts.
That word is unknown.
One reason why I know this is because I have a copy of the USB4 Greek New Testament.

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That is not all.

The KJV translators erred in their translation of Isaiah 65:11, which says, "But ye are they that forsake the Lord, that forget my holy mountain, that prepare a table for that troop, and that furnish the drink offering unto that number."

The Hebrew manuscripts don't say troop and number.
Instead, the Hebrew manuscripts literally say Gad and Meni.

In ancient times, Gad was the pagan god of fortune, and Meni was the pagan god of destiny, which is why the ESV translates Isaiah 65:11 as, "But you who forsake the Lord, who forget my holy mountain, who set a table for Fortune and fill cups of mixed wine for Destiny."

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The KJV's rendition of 1 Kings 10:28 errs by saying, "And Solomon had horses brought out of Egypt, and linen yarn: the king's merchants received the linen yarn at a price."

The Hebrew texts of that verse don't say anything about linen yard.

The JPS Tanakh translates 1 Kings 10:28 as saying, "Solomon's horses were procured from Mizraim and Kue. The king's dealers would buy them from Kue at a fixed price." Mizraim is another name for Egypt, and Kue is an ancient name for Cilicia.

The Holman Christian Standard Bible translates 1 Kings 10:28 as, "Solomon'��s horses were imported from Egypt and Kue. The king'��s traders bought them from Kue at the going price."

The NASB, ESV and NRSV also say Kue instead of linen yard.

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Also, the KJV has a glaring mistranslation in Acts 12:4.
The KJV substitutes the incorrect word Easter for the correct word Passover.

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If one is opposed to using the latest edition of the NIV, then one could still use either the ESV, HCSB, NASB or NRSV.

It isn't necessary for anyone to use the KJV only, because that version isn't perfect, and it isn't the standard for comparison.

Indeed, it would be an error to claim that any English version is the standard for comparison.

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It is easy to follow panic. Just seek for negative and you find negative. According to God’s Word, blessed are the peace makers, I decided digging for the truth. I spent two hours online for checking John 5:4 in 52 English Bibles.

23 English Bibles, include John 5 Verse 4
26 English Bibles, without the Verse
2 English Bibles, the Verse in brackets
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Plus 1 Bible in German language, without Verse 4

Not the new NIV brings trouble, but those who stop people from reading the new NIV Bible and other Versions. I am a believer, not a doubter.
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◄ Ephesians 6:12 ►
Parallel Verses
New International Version
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

New Living Translation
For we are not fighting against flesh-and-blood enemies, but against evil rulers and authorities of the unseen world, against mighty powers in this dark world, and against evil spirits in the heavenly places.

English Standard Version
For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.

New American Standard Bible
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.

King James Bible
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
For our battle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the world powers of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavens.

International Standard Version
For our struggle is not against human opponents, but against rulers, authorities, cosmic powers in the darkness around us, and evil spiritual forces in the heavenly realm.

NET Bible
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world rulers of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavens.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Because your fight has not been with flesh and blood, but with Principalities and The Rulers and The Powers of this dark world and with wicked spirits which are under Heaven.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
This is not a wrestling match against a human opponent. We are wrestling with rulers, authorities, the powers who govern this world of darkness, and spiritual forces that control evil in the heavenly world.

Jubilee Bible 2000
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the lords of this age, rulers of this darkness, against spiritual wickedness in the heavens.

King James 2000 Bible
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in heavenly places.

American King James Version
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

American Standard Version
For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood, but against the principalities, against the powers, against the world-rulers of this darkness, against the spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places .

Douay-Rheims Bible
For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood; but against principalities and power, against the rulers of the world of this darkness, against the spirits of wickedness in the high places.

Darby Bible Translation
because our struggle is not against blood and flesh, but against principalities, against authorities, against the universal lords of this darkness, against spiritual [power] of wickedness in the heavenlies.

English Revised Version
For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood, but against the principalities, against the powers, against the world-rulers of this darkness, against the spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.

Webster's Bible Translation
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Weymouth New Testament
For ours is not a conflict with mere flesh and blood, but with the despotisms, the empires, the forces that control and govern this dark world--the spiritual hosts of evil arrayed against us in the heavenly warfare.

World English Bible
For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood, but against the principalities, against the powers, against the world's rulers of the darkness of this age, and against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.

Young's Literal Translation
because we have not the wrestling with blood and flesh, but with the principalities, with the authorities, with the world-rulers of the darkness of this age, with the spiritual things of the evil in the heavenly places;
Parallel Commentaries
Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary

6:10-18 Spiritual strength and courage are needed for our spiritual warfare and suffering. Those who would prove themselves to have true grace, must aim at all grace; and put on the whole armour of God, which he prepares and bestows. The Christian armour is made to be worn; and there is no putting off our armour till we have done our warfare, and finished our course. The combat is not against human enemies, nor against our own corrupt nature only; we have to do with an enemy who has a thousand ways of beguiling unstable souls. The devils assault us in the things that belong to our souls, and labour to deface the heavenly image in our hearts. We must resolve by God's grace, not to yield to Satan. Resist him, and he will flee. If we give way, he will get ground. If we distrust either our cause, or our Leader, or our armour, we give him advantage. The different parts of the armour of heavy-armed soldiers, who had to sustain the fiercest assaults of the enemy, are here described. There is none for the back; nothing to defend those who turn back in the Christian warfare. Truth, or sincerity, is the girdle. This girds on all the other pieces of our armour, and is first mentioned. There can be no religion without sincerity. The righteousness of Christ, imputed to us, is a breastplate against the arrows of Divine wrath. The righteousness of Christ implanted in us, fortifies the heart against the attacks of Satan. Resolution must be as greaves, or armour to our legs; and to stand their ground or to march forward in rugged paths, the feet must be shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace. Motives to obedience, amidst trials, must be drawn from a clear knowledge of the gospel. Faith is all in all in an hour of temptation. Faith, as relying on unseen objects, receiving Christ and the benefits of redemption, and so deriving grace from him, is like a shield, a defence every way. The devil is the wicked one. Violent temptations, by which the soul is set on fire of hell, are darts Satan shoots at us. Also, hard thoughts of God, and as to ourselves. Faith applying the word of God and the grace of Christ, quenches the darts of temptation. Salvation must be our helmet. A good hope of salvation, a Scriptural expectation of victory, will purify the soul, and keep it from being defiled by Satan. To the Christian armed for defense in battle, the apostle recommends only one weapon of attack; but it is enough, the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God. It subdues and mortifies evil desires and blasphemous thoughts as they rise within; and answers unbelief and error as they assault from without. A single text, well understood, and rightly applied, at once destroys a temptation or an objection, and subdues the most formidable adversary. Prayer must fasten all the other parts of our Christian armour. There are other duties of religion, and of our stations in the world, but we must keep up times of prayer. Though set and solemn prayer may not be seasonable when other duties are to be done, yet short pious prayers darted out, always are so. We must use holy thoughts in our ordinary course. A vain heart will be vain in prayer. We must pray with all kinds of prayer, public, private, and secret; social and solitary; solemn and sudden: with all the parts of prayer; confession of sin, petition for mercy, and thanksgiving for favours received. And we must do it by the grace of God the Holy Spirit, in dependence on, and according to, his teaching. We must preserve in particular requests, notwithstanding discouragements. We must pray, not for ourselves only, but for all saints. Our enemies are mighty, and we are without strength, but our Redeemer is almighty, and in the power of his mighty we may overcome. Wherefore we must stir up ourselves. Have not we, when God has called, often neglected to answer? Let us think upon these things, and continue our prayers with patience.

Pulpit Commentary

Verse 12. - For we wrestle not against flesh and blood. Our conflict is not with men, here denoted by "flesh and blood," which is usually a symbol of weakness, therefore denoting that our opponents are not weak mortals, but powers of a far more formidable order. But against the principalities, against the powers. The same words as in Ephesians 1:21; therefore the definite article is prefixed, as denoting what we are already familiar with: for though all of these, evil as well as good, have been put under Christ the Head, they have not been put under the members, but the evil among them are warring against these members with all the greater ferocity that they cannot assail the Head. Against the world-rulers of this [state of] darkness (comp. Ephesians 2:2). "World-rulers" denotes the extent of the dominion of these invisible foes - the term is applied only to the rulers of the most widely extended tracts; there is no part of the globe to which their influence does not extend, and where their dark rule does not show itself (comp. Luke 4:6). "This darkness" expressively denotes the element and the results of their rule. Observe contrast with Christ's servants, who are children of light, equivalent to order, knowledge, purity, joy, peace, etc.; while the element of the devil and his servants is darkness, equivalent to confusion, ignorance, crime, terror, strife, and all misery. Against the spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. The natural meaning, though questioned by some, is, either that these hosts of wickedness have their residence in heavenly places, or, that these places are the scene of our conflict with them. The latter seems more agreeable to the context, for "in heavenly places" does not denote a geographical locality here any more than in Ephesians 1:3 and Ephesians 2:6. When it is said that "we have been seated with Christ in heavenly places," the allusion is to the spiritual experience of his people; in spirit they are at the gate of heaven, where their hearts are full of heavenly thoughts and feelings; the statement now before us is that, even in such places, amid their most fervent experiences or their most sublime services, they are subject to the attacks of the spirits of wickedness.

Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood,.... The Syriac, Arabic, and Ethiopic versions, and some copies, read "you", instead of "we". This is a reason why saints should be strong in the Lord, and why they should put on the whole armour of God, and prepare for battle, since their enemies are such as here described: not "flesh and blood"; frail mortal men, such as were wrestled against in the Olympic games, to which the apostle alludes. For this wrestling, as Philo the Jew says (e), concerning Jacob's wrestling, is not of the body, but of the soul; see Matthew 16:17; and the meaning is, not with men only, for otherwise the saints have a conflict with men; with profane men, and wrestle against them, by bearing a testimony against their enormities, and by patiently enduring their reproaches, and conquer them by a constant adherence to Christ, and an exercise of faith upon him, which gets the victory over the world; and with heretical men, and maintain a conflict with them, by watching and observing the first appearance of their errors and heresies, and declaring against them, and by using Scripture arguments to confute them, and by rejecting the stubborn and incorrigible from church communion: yet they wrestle not against these only,

but against principalities, against powers; by whom are meant not civil magistrates, or the Roman governors, though these are sometimes so called, Titus 3:1, and may be said to be the rulers of the darkness of this world, or of the dark Heathen world, and were in high places, and were of wicked and malicious spirits, against the people of Christ; yet these cannot be opposed to flesh and blood, or to men, since they were such themselves; and though they were in high, yet not in heavenly places; and the connection with the preceding verse shows the contrary, the enemy being the devil, and the armour spiritual; wherefore the devils are here designed, who are described from their power, rule, and government; see Gill on Ephesians 1:21, both in this clause, and in the next:

and against the rulers of the darkness of this world; that is, over wicked men in it, who are in a state of darkness itself; and so Satan is called the prince, and god of the world, John 12:31. The Jews use this very word, the apostle does here, of the angel of death; who is called darkness (f); and the devil is called by them, , "the prince of darkness" (g); and mention is made by them of , "the darkness of the world" (h); from whom the apostle seems to have taken these phrases, as being in common use among the Jews; who also use it of civil governors (i), and render it, as here, "the rulers of the world", and say it signifies monarchs, such as rule from one end of the world to the other (k): some copies, and the Ethiopic version, leave out the phrase, of this world. It follows,

against spiritual wickedness in high places; or wicked spirits, as the devils are, unclean, proud, lying, deceitful, and malicious; who may be said to be in "high" or "heavenly places"; not in places super celestial, or in the highest heavens, in the third heaven, where God, angels, and saints are; but in the aerial heavens, where the power or posse of devils reside, and where they are above us, over our heads, overlooking us, and watching every advantage against us; and therefore we should have on our armour, and be in a readiness to engage them; and so the Syriac and Ethiopic versions render it, "under", or "beneath heaven"; and the Arabic version, "in the air".

(e) Leg. Allegor. l. 2. p. 96, (f) Vajikra Rabba, sect. 18. fol. 160. 1. & Shirhashirim Rabba, fol. 25. 4. (g) Pesikta in Kettoreth Hassammim in Targum in Gen. fol. 9. 4. Raziel, fol. 13. 1.((h) Zohar in Lev. fol. 19. 3.((i) Bereshit Rabba, sect. 58. fol. 51. 2.((k) Tanchuma & Aruch in Guidon. Diet. Syr. Chal. p. 169.

Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary

12. Greek, "For our wrestling ('the wrestling' in which we are engaged) is not against flesh," &c. Flesh and blood foes are Satan's mere tools, the real foe lurking behind them is Satan himself, with whom our conflict is. "Wrestling" implies that it is a hand-to-hand and foot-to-foot struggle for the mastery: to wrestle successfully with Satan, we must wrestle with God in irresistible prayer like Jacob (Ge 32:24-29; Ho 12:4). Translate, "The principalities … the powers" (Eph 1:21; Col 1:16; see on [2375]Eph 3:10). The same grades of powers are specified in the case of the demons here, as in that of angels there (compare Ro 8:38; 1Co 15:24; Col 2:15). The Ephesians had practiced sorcery (Ac 19:19), so that he appropriately treats of evil spirits in addressing them. The more clearly any book of Scripture, as this, treats of the economy of the kingdom of light, the more clearly does it set forth the kingdom of darkness. Hence, nowhere does the satanic kingdom come more clearly into view than in the Gospels which treat of Christ, the true Light.

rulers of the darkness of this world—Greek, "age" or "course of the world." But the oldest manuscripts omit "of world." Translate, "Against the world rulers of this (present) darkness" (Eph 2:2; 5:8; Lu 22:53; Col 1:13). On Satan and his demons being "world rulers," compare Joh 12:31; 14:30; 16:11; Lu 4:6; 2Co 4:4; 1Jo 5:19, Greek, "lieth in the wicked one." Though they be "world rulers," they are not the ruler of the universe; and their usurped rule of the world is soon to cease, when He shall "come whose right it is" (Eze 21:27). Two cases prove Satan not to be a mere subjective fancy: (1) Christ's temptation; (2) the entrance of demons into the swine (for these are incapable of such fancies). Satan tries to parody, or imitate in a perverted way, God's working (2Co 11:13, 14). So when God became incarnate, Satan, by his demons, took forcible possession of human bodies. Thus the demoniacally possessed were not peculiarly wicked, but miserable, and so fit subjects for Jesus' pity. Paul makes no mention of demoniacal possession, so that in the time he wrote, it seems to have ceased; it probably was restricted to the period of the Lord's incarnation, and of the foundation of His Church.

spiritual wickedness—rather as Greek, "The spiritual hosts of wickedness." As three of the clauses describe the power, so this fourth, the wickedness of our spiritual foes (Mt 12:45).

in high places—Greek, "heavenly places": in Eph 2:2, "the air," see on [2376]Eph 2:2. The alteration of expression to "in heavenly places," is in order to mark the higher range of their powers than ours, they having been, up to the ascension (Re 12:5, 9, 10), dwellers "in the heavenly places" (Job 1:7), and being now in the regions of the air which are called the heavens. Moreover, pride and presumption are the sins in heavenly places to which they tempt especially, being those by which they themselves fell from heavenly places (Isa 14:12-15). But believers have naught to fear, being "blessed with all spiritual blessings in the heavenly places" (Eph 1:3).

Ephesians 6:12 Additional Commentaries
Context
The Full Armor of God
…11Put on the full armor of God, so that you will be able to stand firm against the schemes of the devil. 12For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places. 13Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.…
Cross References
Matthew 16:17
Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven.

Mark 4:19
but the worries of this life, the deceitfulness of wealth and the desires for other things come in and choke the word, making it unfruitful.

John 12:31
Now is the time for judgment on this world; now the prince of this world will be driven out.

Acts 26:18
to open their eyes and turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, so that they may receive forgiveness of sins and a place among those who are sanctified by faith in me.'

1 Corinthians 9:25
Everyone who competes in the games goes into strict training. They do it to get a crown that will not last, but we do it to get a crown that will last forever.

2 Corinthians 11:14
And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.

Ephesians 1:3
Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ.

Ephesians 1:21
far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every name that is invoked, not only in the present age but also in the one to come.

Ephesians 2:2
in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient.

Ephesians 3:10
His intent was that now, through the church, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms,

Colossians 1:13
For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves,
Treasury of Scripture
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

wrestle.

Luke 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say to you, will …
1 Corinthians 9:25-27 And every man that strives for the mastery is temperate in all things. …
2 Timothy 2:5 And if a man also strive for masteries, yet is he not crowned, except …
Hebrews 12:1,4 Why seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, …
flesh and blood. Gr. blood and flesh.

Matthew 16:17 And Jesus answered and said to him, Blessed are you, Simon Barjona: …
1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the …
Galatians 1:16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; …
principalities.

Ephesians 1:21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and …
Ephesians 3:10 To the intent that now to the principalities and powers in heavenly …
Romans 8:38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor …
Colossians 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a show of …
1 Peter 3:22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels …
against the.

Ephesians 2:2 Wherein in time past you walked according to the course of this world, …
Job 2:2 And the LORD said to Satan, From where come you? And Satan answered …
Luke 22:53 When I was daily with you in the temple, you stretched forth no hands …
John 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world …
John 14:30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world …
John 16:11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
Acts 26:18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and …
2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world has blinded the minds of them which …
Colossians 1:13 Who has delivered us from the power of darkness, and has translated …
spiritual wickedness. or, wicked spirits. high. or, heavenly. See on ch.

Ephesians 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed …
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Tue 07/21/15 10:38 AM


Meanwhile, back in this universe ...
It WAS altered. I posted to you, to Yellowrose , that other guy & 3 links supporting the OP, because he is telling the truth. I also apologized to him.

For some unknown reason, the thread was deleted.


Okay...now reading this ...that the thread was deleted, I have a better understanding: I actually was asking myself what happened to the other posts I had read before on this thread...I do remember you apologizing.

I think it is critical information for Bible believers (this is a Christian forum and Bible is relevant here): it is important to have information on what's going on!

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Tue 07/21/15 11:18 AM
Edited by yellowrose10 on Tue 07/21/15 11:22 AM
The thread was altered because it was a Christian only topic and posted in general and non Christians aren't allowed to post here.

As far as telling me, I never said a word about the topic. All I posted was an answer to the question what is NIV.

And this forum is open to ALL Christians to discuss topics whether people agree or not with the posts. No one here is all knowing, henve debates. Not every post needs a scripture.

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Tue 07/21/15 12:48 PM

The thread was altered because it was a Christian only topic and posted in general and non Christians aren't allowed to post here.

As far as telling me, I never said a word about the topic. All I posted was an answer to the question what is NIV.

And this forum is open to ALL Christians to discuss topics whether people agree or not with the posts. No one here is all knowing, henve debates. Not every post needs a scripture.

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If this was a response to my post, I actually thought the bit I was responding to was posted by SassyEuro...

I did remember reading a post from her to the guy who initiated the thread on Bible alteration attempt...maybe that was in general religion forum. But that's what I meant!

And yes in a previous post on another thread, I did ask a guy who was more or less advertising free sex and saying nobody knows except the two, to provide Bible support.

This is a Christian forum and if you are asking me to do anything as a Christian, I would ask you to support your guidance with scripture. And yes, I still do think, the Bible is the basis for Christian fellowship and Christian interaction! And also, yes...if there is something about the Bible that is the basis for my faith, I should like to know!