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Topic: BAN all AR15 Guns
soufiehere's photo
Mon 07/04/16 02:07 PM
Edited for off-topic.

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IgorFrankensteen's photo
Mon 07/04/16 02:51 PM




Nobody wants "bad" people to have guns.... NOBODY!

The problem is not in the laws, it's in enforcing the ones already on the books..... and that falls on govt funding and present policy enforcement.

Without enforcement, adding more laws or restrictions on law abiding citizens isn't going to make much, if any, difference

It's single minded thinking that is the deterrent to a logical solution...



Well, sort of. With ANY law, if all that is done is to make something illegal, nothing is accomplished (except maybe fooling people into voting for the politician).

There are at least three basic elements which are required, in order to make a law do what it's supposed to.

1) the law itself;

2) enabling laws and regulations to make it POSSIBLE to enforce it;

3) funding.

Complaining that we have enough laws, therefore isn't always or even often, accurate.
A lot of the time, what we need are some additional related laws, to make it POSSIBLE to enforce the first one.

That's the case with too may of the laws which were supposed to allow gun sellers to be responsible players. If we pass a law to require background checks, but then prevent sellers from accessing the data in a reasonable time, the law wont be enforceable. And if no additional funding is provided, even a correctly written law, with appropriate structural support wont be enforced.




And therein lies the problem. If we, or our congress, can't find a way to get past the PC and funding issues of laws already on the books, how is passing more regulation or unfundable, unenforcible laws going to help?

It merely infringes upon more freedoms and complicates the issue further!

Voting to, or having congress voting to, infringe even more upon our already diminishing rights does nothing to protect the public!

Voting away your own rights in favor of govt is the reason for the 2nd amendment in the 1st place!


You missed what I said even as you quoted it. I agree that passing more INCOMPLETE laws on top of old INCOMPLETE laws isn't useful. But the only way to repair or replace a defective old law, or even to repeal one, is to pass a new one. So yes, we need new ones.


IgorFrankensteen's photo
Mon 07/04/16 03:04 PM
There have been lots of laws proposed, some make sense, some don't. I personally don't think there's anything all that useful about going after large capacity magazines. One of those juice-not-worth-the-squeeze things.

It really is a problem of keeping people away from weapons, not corralling weapons.


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