Topic: Pence for Vice-President? (U.S. Politics)
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Sun 07/17/16 12:17 AM
Here is my latest post @ The Moderate Voice.

Pence for Vice-President?

Now that Donald Trump has picked Mike Pence for his running mate, people all over the political spectrum are chiming in on the merits of the pick.

As to be expected, Hillary Clinton wasted no time in criticizing Pence. Let's be real here. Clinton was going to criticize Trump's pick no matter who the pick turned out to be, even if the pick were the USA's version of Mother Teresa. It wouldn't be surprising if Clinton had her anti-whoever speech written in advance, leaving her to fill in the name whenever the pick was revealed.

At the opposite end of the political spectrum, verbal-bomb thrower Ann Coulter lashed out at Pence in a series of tweets, among which is this one:



Trump's first mistake? What alternate reality is Coulter living in? Trump has made so many mistakes that he has driven people toward favoring Clinton. If she wins, then it will be because of his numerous mistakes.

Coulter's chief complaint about Pence has to do with his support of a fix to Indiana's controversial 2015 Religious Freedom Restoration Act. What Coulter overlooks is the fact that Pence didn't create the fix by gubernatorial fiat. From news station FOX59 in Indianapolis:

"Standing among a group of Indianapolis business and community leaders, Statehouse leaders said they had fixed the divisive Religious Freedom Restoration Act that created a national outcry. House Speaker Brian Bosma, R-Indianapolis, and Senate President Pro Tem David Long, R-Fort Wayne, said they consulted with business leaders and members of the LGBT community to fix the bill. Both said the law had been misrepresented and needed to be changed because of the perception that it could be used to discriminate against the LGBT community."

Republican members of the Indiana legislature decided that Indiana's 2015 Religious Freedom Restoration Act was being misinterpreted. So, they passed clarifying legislation, which Gov. Pence then signed.

Does the act of Pence signing the clarification make him unfit to be Vice-President? No, it does not.

If anything, Pence was the best pick that Trump could have made, as Nate Silver explains:

"In Pence, Trump would basically be getting a "generic Republican": a 57-year-old white man; the governor of a midsize, red-leaning state; someone with very conservative but otherwise conventionally Republican policy positions. That's probably a good thing, because a generic Republican at the top of the ticket would have a heck of a chance against Hillary Clinton, whose unpopularity would be record-breaking if not for Trump himself."

One fact about Pence may strengthen his appeal to some parties. As Washington Post columnist Amber Phillips reports, Pence "likes to describe himself as 'a Christian, a conservative and a Republican, in that order'."

NPR quotes Pence as saying, "For me it all begins with faith; it begins with what matters most, and I try and put what I believe to be moral truth first. My philosophy of government second. And my politics third."

Whether or not Pence intended to do so, he has expressed a reality that is often lost on people on the political Right: The Christian faith is separate from Conservative politics. As this writer has previously stated, the Christian faith is politically neutral, which is why devout Christians can be Democrats as well as Republicans.

Anyway, did Trump make the right choice in picking a running mate? The world will find out in November.

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Thu 07/21/16 07:38 AM
Who did Coulter want? Sarah Palin? slaphead

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Thu 07/21/16 07:54 AM
Trump Pence
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sounds like Thrupence to me

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Fri 07/22/16 04:54 PM
It's magic...

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Sat 07/23/16 05:49 AM
Edited by IgorFrankensteen on Sat 07/23/16 05:51 AM
The bulk of ALL the punditry that we have been seeing from the beginning of this now multi-year campaign season, is all about those pundits trying to show off their own ability to predict outcomes, or to prove that their understanding of American politics is correct.

This is no different than sports fanatics, who analyze every team pick, every coaching change, and every team manager declaration of what's important, to try to predict the next championship.

It's not about who wins the White House, or even about what is best for the country. It's about which TALKING HEAD, gets to say "I told you so" later.

I can tell you, as most people who study history seriously can, about what USED TO go into the selection of Vice Presidents. That doesn't matter, because the old reasons were themselves, only wishful thinking. Just the very same guesswork that these observers are indulging in.

My own opinion is still waiting for more information. I don't know enough about Pence to have a firm point of view. I can only say that most Presidential candidates in the modern era, have had a lot more reasons for their VEEP choice than what they commonly claim (i.e. that this person could serve as President if necessary).

Sometimes they pick someone simply for where they are known in the country: an East Coast Presidential candidate might choose a West Coast, or a Midwesterner as a running mate, to try to make people from that area "feel loved."

Sometimes the choice is made to try to improve the Pres candidates' standing in the eyes of a section of their own party, which distrusts him or her. It's possible that Trump chose obviously conservative Pence, to try to mollify the part of the GOP who still thinks he is a Democrat in disguise. This is my own primary suspicion at this point, waiting for real proof. It certainly matches with Trumps own openly proclaimed reason for having released a list of potential Supreme Court Justices already.

Sometimes the choice is made to try to take away an argument of the opposition: it is quite possible, though I never saw it stated flat out, that McCain selected Sarah Palin entirely for her gender, so as to undercut Democratic claims that the GOP was all about old white guys running everything.

Sometimes the selection is made to get rid of an internal opponent. Many a vice presidential candidate was chosen, so that the Presidential candidate could control them for the duration of the campaign, and then after the election, keep them from speaking out against them while in office. Pence isn't one of those, so far as I know, since I'm not aware of his having attacked Trump in any significant way in the past.

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Tue 07/26/16 05:43 PM


maybe he should have picked bernie


and hoped nothing happened to himself lol


pence imo was good for the job not so sure he is
good for the election tho

lets hope he doesnt become pres (officially but i would
trump will delegate him a lot of powerful issues)