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Topic: The Creator's true name
Ɔʎɹɐx's photo
Sat 10/01/16 11:02 AM




It's 100% accurate revealed by the last final book the holy "Quran"

Other things are men made


Does it mean Mohammad wasn't a man ?


Same time I will be responsible for a answer that may please you or not.


oh really? are you gonna plant a time bomb in your post ? laugh

mightymoe's photo
Sat 10/01/16 11:13 AM





It's 100% accurate revealed by the last final book the holy "Quran"

Other things are men made


Does it mean Mohammad wasn't a man ?


Same time I will be responsible for a answer that may please you or not.


oh really? are you gonna plant a time bomb in your post ? laugh
how silly that anyone would think anything in any bible is 100% accurate...

Ɔʎɹɐx's photo
Sat 10/01/16 11:25 AM




It's 100% accurate revealed by the last final book the holy "Quran"

Other things are men made


Does it mean Mohammad wasn't a man ?


If you can proof me it was mentioned by the Quran ? Or at least where you've that source of information from .


OK dude, first of all you need to calm down and start thinking logically, you need to get rid of the traditional Islamic way of thinking, you need to know that in any civilized discussion everything is subject to criticism and debate, your Allah himself is to be criticized without you or anyone else screaming allahu Akbar and getting some sword to behead your interlocutor, Middle East laws don't imply here ....
as for your question, you also need to stop asking for evidences from quraan , we are discussing quraan itself , it makes no sense to say that "quraan is the word of god because it includes verses that say so" .
Quraan was written by Muhammad with the help of the Bahira ( Sergius the monk ) who was expelled from the Syriac church , the evidences are enormous in qiraan itself as it copied many texts from both Bible and Torah , Bahira seeked revenge on his old fellows who expelled him, he was so smart no doubt , as was Mohammad , and he knew how to fight the church with a new religion that eventually took over the Middle East , the birthplace of Christianity .

Ɔʎɹɐx's photo
Sat 10/01/16 11:26 AM
Edited by Ɔʎɹɐx on Sat 10/01/16 11:28 AM
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Sat 10/01/16 02:31 PM





It's 100% accurate revealed by the last final book the holy "Quran"

Other things are men made


Does it mean Mohammad wasn't a man ?


If you can proof me it was mentioned by the Quran ? Or at least where you've that source of information from .


OK dude, first of all you need to calm down and start thinking logically, you need to get rid of the traditional Islamic way of thinking, you need to know that in any civilized discussion everything is subject to criticism and debate, your Allah himself is to be criticized without you or anyone else screaming allahu Akbar and getting some sword to behead your interlocutor, Middle East laws don't imply here ....
as for your question, you also need to stop asking for evidences from quraan , we are discussing quraan itself , it makes no sense to say that "quraan is the word of god because it includes verses that say so" .
Quraan was written by Muhammad with the help of the Bahira ( Sergius the monk ) who was expelled from the Syriac church , the evidences are enormous in qiraan itself as it copied many texts from both Bible and Torah , Bahira seeked revenge on his old fellows who expelled him, he was so smart no doubt , as was Mohammad , and he knew how to fight the church with a new religion that eventually took over the Middle East , the birthplace of Christianity .


I'm calm lol and what's a time bomb?
Was that some kind of a joke cause if so , then you've some desert dry humor .

I don't live in the middle east , but I'm glad you mentioned it so I could care even less about it.

Here comes the fun part if you don't believe in God where did you obtain so much false information from and call out verses from books but not numbers or name out the page ?
wich "verse exactly" are you talking about cause no one would be interested in such random post drop.

I don't ask you for evidence of the Quran cause i know them all .
And I'm not discussing Quran it's self with you that would be a huge waste of time.

But if you want to criticize Allah have fun and good luck on that.

The Prophet Muhammed got help from Bahila so he made that many copies lol?

That's your fact ? Or your opinion?
anyways.

This false source spread is bad.
It's no where written no where to be found, please no random Urls linking me to men made wonderland.
Total mixed up bunsh of men made info .

Funny I didn't found anything in the Quran stolen from the bible .

I won't reply unless someone quotes me a mature quote .







Ɔʎɹɐx's photo
Sun 10/02/16 06:47 PM






It's 100% accurate revealed by the last final book the holy "Quran"

Other things are men made


Does it mean Mohammad wasn't a man ?


If you can proof me it was mentioned by the Quran ? Or at least where you've that source of information from .


OK dude, first of all you need to calm down and start thinking logically, you need to get rid of the traditional Islamic way of thinking, you need to know that in any civilized discussion everything is subject to criticism and debate, your Allah himself is to be criticized without you or anyone else screaming allahu Akbar and getting some sword to behead your interlocutor, Middle East laws don't imply here ....
as for your question, you also need to stop asking for evidences from quraan , we are discussing quraan itself , it makes no sense to say that "quraan is the word of god because it includes verses that say so" .
Quraan was written by Muhammad with the help of the Bahira ( Sergius the monk ) who was expelled from the Syriac church , the evidences are enormous in qiraan itself as it copied many texts from both Bible and Torah , Bahira seeked revenge on his old fellows who expelled him, he was so smart no doubt , as was Mohammad , and he knew how to fight the church with a new religion that eventually took over the Middle East , the birthplace of Christianity .


I'm calm lol and what's a time bomb?
Was that some kind of a joke cause if so , then you've some desert dry humor .

I don't live in the middle east , but I'm glad you mentioned it so I could care even less about it.

Here comes the fun part if you don't believe in God where did you obtain so much false information from and call out verses from books but not numbers or name out the page ?
wich "verse exactly" are you talking about cause no one would be interested in such random post drop.

I don't ask you for evidence of the Quran cause i know them all .
And I'm not discussing Quran it's self with you that would be a huge waste of time.

But if you want to criticize Allah have fun and good luck on that.

The Prophet Muhammed got help from Bahila so he made that many copies lol?

That's your fact ? Or your opinion?
anyways.

This false source spread is bad.
It's no where written no where to be found, please no random Urls linking me to men made wonderland.
Total mixed up bunsh of men made info .

Funny I didn't found anything in the Quran stolen from the bible .

I won't reply unless someone quotes me a mature quote .




so you don't care about links shared in the discussion , what should I do then ? do you want me to revive both Bahira and Mohammad and ask them to join this forum for you to believe ?
I don't revive dead people, neither does anyone ..... you believe that your quraan is the word of god, I believe it was written by humans as other books ( Bible, Torah .... )
do you know what's really funny ? you believe all of books but Quraan are human made , Christians believe that yours is human made while theirs isn't , Jews believe that both Quraan and Bible are human made whole Torah isn't ....that's not only funny, it's pathetic too ... your selective logic is pathetic ....

Ɔʎɹɐx's photo
Sun 10/02/16 06:58 PM
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_and_Quranic_narratives

that's one link for those who are interested, by Wikipedia, it is a simple comparison of tales in both books, and shows how incidents mentioned in Bible are mentioned in quraan , twisted sometimes , mixed other times ( same incidents in different narratives XD ) as a try to make it look a little bit different ...
enjoy reading

Yamin's photo
Sun 10/23/16 09:52 PM
Yes...these r tru names....Praise Yah!

CowboyGH's photo
Mon 10/24/16 07:24 PM
How "Yeshua" Became "Jesus"

The first letter in the name Yeshua ("Jesus") is the yod. Yod represents the "Y" sound in Hebrew. Many names in the Bible that begin with yod are mispronounced by English speakers because the yod in these names was transliterated in English Bibles with the letter "J" rather than "Y". This came about because in early English the letter "J" was pronounced the way we pronounce "Y" today. All proper names in the Old Testament were transliterated into English according to their Hebrew pronunciation, but when English pronunciation shifted to what we know today, these transliterations were not altered. Thus, such Hebrew place names as ye-ru-sha-LA-yim, ye-ri-HO, and yar-DEN have become known to us as Jerusalem, Jericho, and Jordan; and Hebrew personal names such as yo-NA, yi-SHAI, and ye-SHU-a have become known to us as Jonah, Jesse, and Jesus.

The yod is the smallest letter of the alphabet, which is why Yeshua used it in His famous saying in Matt 5:18: "Until heaven and earth pass away not one yod ("iota" in the Greek text) or one kots will pass from the Torah." For emphasis, Yeshua incorporated in this saying a well-known Hebrew expression: lo' yod ve-LO' ko-TSO shel yod, "not a yod and not a 'thorn' of a yod," i.e., not the most insignificant and unimportant thing. When Yeshua declared that heaven and earth might sooner disappear than the smallest letter of the Hebrew alphabet, or the smallest stroke of a letter, He was simply saying that the Torah ("Law" or "Teaching") of Moses would never cease to be.

The second sound in Yeshua's name is called tse-RE, and is pronounced almost like the letter "e" in the word "net". Just as the "Y" sound of the first letter is mispronounced in today's English, so too the first vowel sound in "Jesus". Before the Hebrew name "Yeshua" was transliterated into English, it was first transliterated into Greek. There was no difficulty in transliterating the tse-RE sound since the ancient Greek language had an equivalent letter which represented this sound. And there was no real difficulty in transcribing this same first vowel into English. The translators of the earliest versions of the English Bible transliterated the tse-RE in Yeshua with an "e". Unfortunately, later English speakers guessed wrongly that this "e" should be pronounced as in "me," and thus the first syllable of the English version of Yeshua came to be pronounced "Jee" instead of "Yeh". It is this pronunciation which produced such euphemistic profanities as "Gee" and "Geez".

Since Yeshua is spelled "Jeshua" and not "Jesus" in most English versions of the Old Testament (for example in Ezra 2:2 and 2 Chronicles 31:15), one easily gets the impression that the name is never mentioned in the Hebrew Scriptures. Yet 'Yeshua' appears there twenty-nine times, and is the name of at least five different persons and one village in the southern part of Yehudah ("Judah").

In contrast to the early biblical period, there were relatively few different names in use among the Jewish population of the Land of Israel at the time of the Second Temple. The name Yeshua was one of the most common male names in that period, tied with Eleazer for fifth place behind Simon, Joseph, Judah, and John. Nearly one out of ten persons known from the period was named Yeshua.

The first sound of the second syllable of Yeshua is the "sh" sound. It is represented by the Hebrew letter shin. However Greek, like many other languages, has no "sh" sound. Instead, the closest approximation, the Greek sigma, was used when transcribing "Yeshua" as "Iesus". Translators of English versions of the New Testament transliterated the Greek transcription of a Hebrew name, instead of returning to the original Hebrew. This was doubly unfortunate, first because the "sh" sound exists in English, and second because in English the "s" sound can shift to the "z" sound, which is what happened in the case of the pronunciation of "Jesus".

The fourth sound one hears in the name Yeshua is the "u" sound, as in the word "true". Like the first three sounds, this also has come to be mispronounced but in this case it is not the fault of the translators. They transcribed this sound accurately, but English is not a phonetic language and "u" can be pronounced in more than one way. At some point the "u" in "Jesus" came to be pronounced as in "cut," and so we say "Jee-zuhs."

The "a" sound, as in the word "father," is the fifth sound in Jesus' name. It is followed by a guttural produced by contracting the lower throat muscles and retracting the tongue root- an unfamiliar task for English speakers. In an exception to the rule, the vowel sound "a" associated with the last letter "ayin" (the guttural) is pronounced before it, not after. While there is no equivalent in English or any other Indo-European language, it is somewhat similar to the last sound in the name of the composer, "Bach." In this position it is almost inaudible to the western ear. Some Israelis pronounce this last sound and some don't, depending on what part of the dispersion their families returned from. The Hebrew Language Academy, guardian of the purity of the language, has ruled that it should be sounded, and Israeli radio and television announcers are required to pronounce it correctly. There was no letter to represent them, and so these fifth and sixth sounds were dropped from the Greek transcription of "Yeshua," -the transcription from which the English "Jesus" is derived.

So where did the final "s" of "Jesus" come from? Masculine names in Greek ordinarily end with a consonant, usually with an "s" sound, and less frequently with an "n" or "r" sound. In the case of "Iesus," the Greeks added a sigma, the "s" sound, to close the word. The same is true for the names Nicodemus, Judas, Lazarus, and others.

English speakers make one further change from the original pronunciation of Jesus' name. English places the accent on "Je," rather than on "sus." For this reason, the "u" has shortened in its English pronunciation to "uh."

In the West, a child's name is often chosen for its pleasant sound, or because another family member had it. The Jews of the Second Temple period also named after relatives (Luke 1:59-63). However, almost all Jewish names have a literal meaning. Occasionally this is seen in English names too, such as Scott (a person from Scotland), Johnson (son of John), and Baker (bread maker). But with Hebrew names it is the rule, rather than the exception.

The name Yeshua means The LORD's Salvation, or Cry Out to the LORD for Help. It is the short version of Yehoshua, literally "YHWH saves (or turns) us". In comparison, prior to being transliterated from the Hebrew Bible, the name Ἰησοῦς (Iesous) did not exist in Greek. Through multiple translations and changes in pronunciation, a tradition of saying "Jesus" has obscured His name, "Yeshua." It has shifted His perceived message and identity from Hebrew to Greek.

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Sat 11/19/16 07:25 PM

How "Yeshua" Became "Jesus"

The first letter in the name Yeshua ("Jesus") is the yod. Yod represents the "Y" sound in Hebrew. Many names in the Bible that begin with yod are mispronounced by English speakers because the yod in these names was transliterated in English Bibles with the letter "J" rather than "Y". This came about because in early English the letter "J" was pronounced the way we pronounce "Y" today. All proper names in the Old Testament were transliterated into English according to their Hebrew pronunciation, but when English pronunciation shifted to what we know today, these transliterations were not altered. Thus, such Hebrew place names as ye-ru-sha-LA-yim, ye-ri-HO, and yar-DEN have become known to us as Jerusalem, Jericho, and Jordan; and Hebrew personal names such as yo-NA, yi-SHAI, and ye-SHU-a have become known to us as Jonah, Jesse, and Jesus.

The yod is the smallest letter of the alphabet, which is why Yeshua used it in His famous saying in Matt 5:18: "Until heaven and earth pass away not one yod ("iota" in the Greek text) or one kots will pass from the Torah." For emphasis, Yeshua incorporated in this saying a well-known Hebrew expression: lo' yod ve-LO' ko-TSO shel yod, "not a yod and not a 'thorn' of a yod," i.e., not the most insignificant and unimportant thing. When Yeshua declared that heaven and earth might sooner disappear than the smallest letter of the Hebrew alphabet, or the smallest stroke of a letter, He was simply saying that the Torah ("Law" or "Teaching") of Moses would never cease to be.

The second sound in Yeshua's name is called tse-RE, and is pronounced almost like the letter "e" in the word "net". Just as the "Y" sound of the first letter is mispronounced in today's English, so too the first vowel sound in "Jesus". Before the Hebrew name "Yeshua" was transliterated into English, it was first transliterated into Greek. There was no difficulty in transliterating the tse-RE sound since the ancient Greek language had an equivalent letter which represented this sound. And there was no real difficulty in transcribing this same first vowel into English. The translators of the earliest versions of the English Bible transliterated the tse-RE in Yeshua with an "e". Unfortunately, later English speakers guessed wrongly that this "e" should be pronounced as in "me," and thus the first syllable of the English version of Yeshua came to be pronounced "Jee" instead of "Yeh". It is this pronunciation which produced such euphemistic profanities as "Gee" and "Geez".

Since Yeshua is spelled "Jeshua" and not "Jesus" in most English versions of the Old Testament (for example in Ezra 2:2 and 2 Chronicles 31:15), one easily gets the impression that the name is never mentioned in the Hebrew Scriptures. Yet 'Yeshua' appears there twenty-nine times, and is the name of at least five different persons and one village in the southern part of Yehudah ("Judah").

In contrast to the early biblical period, there were relatively few different names in use among the Jewish population of the Land of Israel at the time of the Second Temple. The name Yeshua was one of the most common male names in that period, tied with Eleazer for fifth place behind Simon, Joseph, Judah, and John. Nearly one out of ten persons known from the period was named Yeshua.

The first sound of the second syllable of Yeshua is the "sh" sound. It is represented by the Hebrew letter shin. However Greek, like many other languages, has no "sh" sound. Instead, the closest approximation, the Greek sigma, was used when transcribing "Yeshua" as "Iesus". Translators of English versions of the New Testament transliterated the Greek transcription of a Hebrew name, instead of returning to the original Hebrew. This was doubly unfortunate, first because the "sh" sound exists in English, and second because in English the "s" sound can shift to the "z" sound, which is what happened in the case of the pronunciation of "Jesus".

The fourth sound one hears in the name Yeshua is the "u" sound, as in the word "true". Like the first three sounds, this also has come to be mispronounced but in this case it is not the fault of the translators. They transcribed this sound accurately, but English is not a phonetic language and "u" can be pronounced in more than one way. At some point the "u" in "Jesus" came to be pronounced as in "cut," and so we say "Jee-zuhs."

The "a" sound, as in the word "father," is the fifth sound in Jesus' name. It is followed by a guttural produced by contracting the lower throat muscles and retracting the tongue root- an unfamiliar task for English speakers. In an exception to the rule, the vowel sound "a" associated with the last letter "ayin" (the guttural) is pronounced before it, not after. While there is no equivalent in English or any other Indo-European language, it is somewhat similar to the last sound in the name of the composer, "Bach." In this position it is almost inaudible to the western ear. Some Israelis pronounce this last sound and some don't, depending on what part of the dispersion their families returned from. The Hebrew Language Academy, guardian of the purity of the language, has ruled that it should be sounded, and Israeli radio and television announcers are required to pronounce it correctly. There was no letter to represent them, and so these fifth and sixth sounds were dropped from the Greek transcription of "Yeshua," -the transcription from which the English "Jesus" is derived.

So where did the final "s" of "Jesus" come from? Masculine names in Greek ordinarily end with a consonant, usually with an "s" sound, and less frequently with an "n" or "r" sound. In the case of "Iesus," the Greeks added a sigma, the "s" sound, to close the word. The same is true for the names Nicodemus, Judas, Lazarus, and others.

English speakers make one further change from the original pronunciation of Jesus' name. English places the accent on "Je," rather than on "sus." For this reason, the "u" has shortened in its English pronunciation to "uh."

In the West, a child's name is often chosen for its pleasant sound, or because another family member had it. The Jews of the Second Temple period also named after relatives (Luke 1:59-63). However, almost all Jewish names have a literal meaning. Occasionally this is seen in English names too, such as Scott (a person from Scotland), Johnson (son of John), and Baker (bread maker). But with Hebrew names it is the rule, rather than the exception.

The name Yeshua means The LORD's Salvation, or Cry Out to the LORD for Help. It is the short version of Yehoshua, literally "YHWH saves (or turns) us". In comparison, prior to being transliterated from the Hebrew Bible, the name Ἰησοῦς (Iesous) did not exist in Greek. Through multiple translations and changes in pronunciation, a tradition of saying "Jesus" has obscured His name, "Yeshua." It has shifted His perceived message and identity from Hebrew to Greek.



Heb 4:8-9

8 For if JESUS had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.

9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
KJV

Heb 4:8-10

8 For if JOSHUA had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God.
NKJV

now Joshua or Jesus which is correct?

How do they explain the English translation of this error? Why the error? E or O? or maybe A. His name did reflect his fathers.

John 5:43-44
I have come in My Father's name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, him you will receive.
NKJV

How do you say HalleluJAH with a Y or a J? why an A? JAH or YAH?

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Sat 11/19/16 10:11 PM
Moses asked the same question

and the Lord God said "I AM WHO I AM'

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