how many liberties will you give up


for a false sense of security

anyone who'd give ANY up doesn't deserve them in the first place

Who said I feel secure?
I'm simply a realist. This is the world I live in. Until it changes or I die, I ain't going anywhere. So no use whining about it. I'll just take appropriate measures as best I can to protect myself and mine... just as I've always done.

would revolution be possible if instead of rebelling against the people that control the system, we rebelled against their actual system itself? say in the future it gets bad enough to piss off a critical mass into actually changing their ways, and they voluntarily lower their own standards/give up some of their liberties(watchin tv,eatin out)for real freedom(not havin as many bills/worries, being independent). so maybe these people would see that there are other ways altogether to live. like minimalists but with the help of technology to boost them into living self-sufficiently off the grid. the idea would be for more people to become self-sufficient in their own ways to show the rest of the population that it's easier(believe me, it is)and the rest might follow, leaving the elite to try and steer a crewless boad that's too big for them. maybe we can envision the people bording another, freer ship. then we would stand a greater chance of sinkin the old ship now that we would be free to maneuver. today we have been divided,immobilized and made dependent on the captains of the ship but maybe in the future there will be a coming together under freedom at an exponential rate. maybe this could start with people actually using their yards for food not lawns? any hope?

Spoken like a true anarchist.. Unfortunately, I've never seen a true anarchist. It is a grand and lofty ideal.. Which in reality? Probably not achievable.

Anarchy is the functional equivalent of communism, just based on fundamental different notions. Both seem like OK solutions to some people, but could never be realized in actual reality.

the only way the truly paranoid can make themselves feel important is to fantacise that the government would spend billions of dollars to spy on them personally. Be sure to change the tinfoil in your hats regularly or the mind control rays will get through.

p.s. we really are watching you and we know who you are

My knee-jerk reaction is to wish we could all take a giant Mother-May-I step backward to the 1950s, where innocence was widespread.

And then I remember the Red Scare and McCarthyism..... *sigh*.....

Hmmmm... For some reason.. for as different our approach seems to be, our age is, and our coasts.. Somehow we almost seem to be on the same page?

How can that be?

Actually.. What I mean to say is this..

Soxfan.. I don't know you. My guess is that you and I might never agree on much, apart from this point and others expressed in this thread. However.. for what it is worth.. You do have this old mans respect.

It's much appreciated. I don't demand (or even desire, really) that anyone have the same opinions as me, just that they allow me a chance to articulate them and then respect them if I've done so in a reasoned manner. Consider the respect mutual.

Go to Socialist Europe if you want to see the real effects of a surveliance big brother state. Not only do they have cameras EVERYWHERE watching you, but they also installed loudspeakers with them so someone behind a screen and mic can tell a person on the street to stop doing something.