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Topic: North American Union
mommyof1's photo
Thu 02/07/08 09:28 AM

I looked thru some of the threads and I dont recall seing anything about this...Are American aware of this? Whats all this talk about the new currency the amero also this tracking device that their putting in passports ....What do you guys think?



I have heard about this.. there is more to come.. so hang on to what ya got...cuz it may be all gone before you know it!

mommyof1's photo
Thu 02/07/08 09:28 AM

We did have a small discussion about this a while ago...I think it's never going to happen. The U.S. can't do it without approval, and no one will approve of this.




our lovely President already did approve it noway grumble

HealthyLifestyle's photo
Thu 02/07/08 05:40 PM
GIVING OUR NATIONAL SOVEREIGNTY TO A "NORTH AMERICAN COMMUNITY"

In 2001, the Institute for International Economics published Robert A. Pastor's book "Toward a North American Community: Lessons from the Old World for the New." Taking the European Union as a model, it discusses ways of creating a union between the United States, Mexico, and Canada. Some people refer to this as being a North American Union, similar to the European Union. Basically, this means giving up America's national sovereignty.

The starting point is the NAFTA trade agreement. It is notable that the starting point of the European Union was also a trade agreement.

In 1957, six countries signed the Treaty of Rome, to pool their steel and coal resources. That began a series of events that resulted in today's European Union. In May 2007, the European Union celebrated its 50th anniversary. First it was called the European Economic Community.

Then it was called the European Community. Now it is called the European Union. Such things are accomplished one stage at a time.

By pages 114-115 of the book, Pastor's vision of economic integration has expanded. It develops to the point that he discusses the possibility of developing a common currency, the "Amero" (similar to the Euro of the European Union).

Chapter 7 is titled, "Is a North American Community Feasible? Can Sovereignty Be Transcended?" Please stop for a moment and look at those words slowly and carefully.

Pastor is talking about whether or not it is feasible to develop a "community" that takes priority over our national sovereignty. He takes it for granted that it would be good to do this. His only question is whether or not it is feasible, at this time, to make it work in practical terms.

On pages 152-154, Pastor discusses "alternative approaches to sovereignty." He talks about the possibility of developing a "political entity that could transcend traditional conceptions of sovereignty."

To "transcend" national sovereignty means to abolish it, for all practical purposes. You might retain some of the trappings and some of the vocabulary, but in essence, there would be no more real national sovereignty.

The Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) strongly approves of Pastor's approach. The CFR was founded in 1921 in order to build a "network of globalist support groups." (Globalism is an approach to politics that sees individual countries as being "states" in a global government. One approach would be to have something comparable to the United Nations govern the world. Another approach would be to have every nation become part of something comparable to the European Union.)

The CFR is highly influential because its membership includes high- ranking politicians. Among them are Senators and Congressmen, some of whom are running for President in 2008. In addition, there are high- ranking politicians who have connections with the CFR (and are thereby influenced by it), even though they are not members of it.

In 2005, the Council on Foreign Relations (along with its Canadian and Mexican counterparts) produced a Task Force Report which was published as a book with the title "Building a North American Community." The Task Force has three "co-chairs" (one from each country) and three "vice chairs" (one from each country). Robert A. Pastor is the American Vice Chair of the Task Force. (You can get the book at http://www.cfr.org/publication/8102/building_a_north_american_community.html)

According to the Foreword, the CFR Task Force offers detailed proposals that are based on the "Texas summit of March 2005." This was a meeting that President Bush held at his ranch with President Vicente Fox of Mexico and Prime Minister Paul Martin of Canada. After that meeting, the three heads of state issued a press release announcing that they had made an agreement to form the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America (SPP).

The Foreword also says that the "central recommendation" of the report is the establishment of a "North American economic and security community" by the year 2010. The boundaries of this community would "be defined by a common external tariff and an outer security perimeter." In other words, going from Mexico to Canada via the United States would be similar to going from Virginia to Maryland, via Washington D.C. The identity would be trinational, rather than national. We would lose our national sovereignty.

On page 8, the report recommends the establishment of "a common security perimeter by 2010." This would effectively remove any security perimeters between the three countries. So our security would be at the mercy of Mexico and Canada. This would not be good, because a lot of terrorists are already getting into America across the Mexican border. (See Congressman Tom Tancredo's book "In Mortal Danger: The Battle for America's Border and Security.")

On page 10, the report recommends that by the year 2010, the groundwork should be laid for enabling a "freer flow of people within North America" (i.e., from Mexico to Canada). On page 25, it recommends "open skies and open roads." Judging by its failure to secure the Mexican border, the Bush administration appears to agree with these recommendations.

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Thu 02/07/08 07:31 PM
yess, well said!

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Thu 02/07/08 08:30 PM
Edited by revolution on Thu 02/07/08 08:41 PM

So I went to the web address llisted in this thread. Very interesting if you're into the whole "Im a conspiracy nutjob"

secret meetings? hidden agendas? been developing the disbanning of the united states? type crap.

some of you need to push away from the computers and go stretch your legs for like a week or something.

what is the infatuation with trying to turn the US into something it is not, Europe! Hell the little sissies couldnt defend themselves, ever. they for the most part(few exceptions) are socialist or communist or fascist.

Amero, is that suposed to be the euro, even with a euro each of the countries stiill have varients on them, ad britia doesnt even have them. but lets let the wacko's in europe continue to try to weaken the union. all in the name of political correctness and not offending the weaker people of the world.

stand up, or shut up, take the back seat, im driven this beast.

doc
Just for the record my friend, I dont live in front of the computer, I really dont understand why people have to try and down other people why trying to prove a point...I just dont get it, if you dont believe in it cool, if you do then cool to but no need to try and down poeple to make yourself look good... Believe me I get out often,I've been to 7 country,13 states and 4 Islands so I think I've stretch my legs enough...The truth is there always stuff in the making that we dont no much about, Im sure when the tuskegee experiment was going on and people heard here and there about it, people thought they were "nut jobs" to...Alls Im saying is check it out and keep your eyes and ears open:tongue:

HealthyLifestyle's photo
Fri 02/08/08 08:41 AM
That's right dude!

Well put.

And the same for the Manhattan Project and all the other secret projects the government is and has been envolved in for the past century.

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