The church authorities of my area have issued a communique stating that due to the risk of the porcine flue virus that Holy Water and the wine used in churches would be restricted due to the risk of contamination.

My question is if churches are the houses of God and that the wine and the Holy water who is suppose to have been divinely turned Holy, isn't like them saying that all they have told us is a lie.

Because if God exist and created all wouldn't he protect is houses (churches) cure the water of any diseases and make the wine pure. If that was true then the authorities would not be afraid of the risk and they would know that God would protect them.

Just made me wonder, how about you what do you think?

I think you're absolutely right.

no ****...i agree as well.

We have been lied to...OMG..nooooo way.

yeah,like thats some big secret that most of us havent already figured out hundreds of years ago....lol.most of it is nothing but control and those that fall for it are like cattle.

Would you still be non-religious if you walked into a Church and were healed of every disease you had?

God wants you to come to him in your own time and because you want to know God, not because he has or will reward you.

Hmmmmm...the fact that they would issue that statement says they have no real faith in what they expect you to buy, which should automaticly make you question everything that has and will come out of they're mouths.
just saying, why should you be expected to have faith in what they preach if they themselves dont?

I agree and i do not personally believe in God so that won't make a difference in my life but for the authorities to issue a statement like that surprised me, i would have thought they would have told there priests only (secrets secrets) but to say it to the general public I was very surprised.

the only reason they issued it publicly is because they had to. thats a health issue and since they are all about the money they certainly wouldnt want sued....lol

I'm not religious and I heal myself and my children..and others.

seems like a church in the way of the world, as opposed to the way of God

don't know. can't know until that happens can i? therein lies the real problem as i see it. if god is as powerful as we hear, it should be a simple matter to convince everybody on the planet of his existence. and he could do it once every generation or so to make sure we don't lose sight of things. for instance he could announce through a few followers that on xmas every telescope should be aimed ten degrees to the left of the moon where he will produce another moon. jupiter has twenty four moons surely we can have two wouldn't you think. of course not every astronomer will swing his rig over as they'd think there were more pressing concerns for their time but you can bet some would and every christian amature telescope would damn sure be pointed in the right part of the sky. but whether they caught the exact instant of "creation" or not there would be one big peice of evidence hanging in the sky that suggests maybe there is something to this god thing. an extra moon in the sky every night would be an astronomical feat unmantched in science history. it WILL get attention. but he never does such a thing as powerful as he supposedly is. why is that? instead we're oblidged to take god on faith.

You just have to read my second sentence.



If there was absolute proof that God existed, would be more or less likely to be a Christian? Don't you think it would effect people's decisions in that regard? God created humanity as free moral agents, so we can make our own decisions on if we should do right or wrong. There is no absolute proof that God exist and no absolute proof God doesn't exist. Where does that leave us? Well, God promises that those who diligently seek him will find him. If you feel that knowing if God exists is important, then that is the only option God offers.

Again, as far as God goes, folks are just expected to accept he exsist and call Emotional Response proff of this exsistence. I dont buy it, not saying there is Nothing, just saying the argument for the biblical God is pretty flimsy.
But, as for the statement issued by the church..Im surprised as well this was done publicly, but as was mentioned in this thread it is a public health issue, which only goes to show how much faith they have in the power of God. and a statement like that from a preacher or preist or church says quite simply "God cannot protect you from this."

i did read your second sentence. that was a statement. your first sentence asked a question. i answered the question. the statement simply makes no sense to me. and i mentioned nothing about rewarding me in my reply. if god wants me to come to him then he knows how to make that happen. i hear often about how god physically heals some people. if that is true then why stop there. i've heard told of numerous physical happenings that were attributed to god. i want no reward. i'd be thrilled to learn that i can seek salvation and enter heaven and i'd thank god several times a day for doing that. that's what it's all about right? salvation? this is the answer christians give simply because there really is no answer to the question. i ask you why god does not use his powers to convince me and you say in essense, "because he doesn't want too?" you go on to ask, "Where does that leave us? Well, God promises that those who diligently seek him will find him." god never promised me that. did he promise you before you new him? if so how and why doesn't he communicate his promise to me in the same manner. "those who diligently seek him" presupposes that they've yet to find him no? so how does god make such a promise to people like me? another human telling me is not god promising me is it?

The true problem rests with our version of the Bible. We singularize the gods. One must consider though that the "god" of the Old Testament isn't the same god of the New Testament. A simple review of the Bible will help to identify this. One god ruled with an iron fist. The other, with mercy and compassion. There is no doubt that a power struggle would occur between the gods.

Read my post in What if topic in this section.

Bob Out

I do not agree with that stuff.

Yet the bible throughout warns about purity. mold, blood and so many more. You have to take precautions on some things that we have been warned about.

we are to smart to listen to the word. If it goes against our lifestyle for sure. I was talking and trying to get you all to listen in 2006..but it did not matter then and it does not now..Shalom...Miles


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The promise is in the Bible. Christianity is the only religion that makes the claim that it can be verified on a personal level. Yeah, I can't give you proof. I can't point to a new moon and say "See, God created that." What I can tell you is that God promised that if you seek him diligently, that you will find him. The proof is on a personal level, which can't be shared except verbally.

I'm not a Christian, however, I don't remember reading anywhere in the Bible or in the Catholic Catechism where it is said that the church buildings or the holy water was germ free.

The Catholic Church uses holy water as a symbolism of baptism and the baptismal promises made by Catholics (or by their parents if baptized an infant). It's not to drink as a cure for anything.

all well and good. but you asked if i were to walk into a church and was cured of everything that ills me would i then believe in god. my answer is that i and much of science would give god reconsideration. finally there would be some physical evidence, my recovery from all my ills, for science to investigate. you asked the question not me. i answered it as best i could. now you say that the "proof is on a personal level, which can't be shared except verbally." so why ask a question like, "if you had proof of god, such as he cured your ills, would you believe in god?" if proof can never be anything other than on a personal level?