Topic: Common Sense Health Care Reforms and Affordability Act
MirrorMirror
Joined Fri 10/26/07 Posts: 87607 |
QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: This country has gone to hell in a matter of decades. It's not turning out how it was suppose to turn out. Greed and money dictates how this country is. The fed needs to be stopped and big government needs to take a step back. The way things are leading with the two major parties, I only see it getting worse. Something needs to give, people need to stop all the hate and stop fighting against each other and start fighting against big government. Things could be good if the hate went away. "This country has gone to hell in a matter of decades. It's not turning out how it was suppose to turn out. Greed and money dictates how this country is."  Yes, unregulated and uncontrolled capitalism has that effect
you must live on the other side of the looking glass.. because none of what you think or write on these boards has any basis in reality. either that or you just enjoy playing a buffoon. you live in a fanstasy land if you think a) that capitalism is unregulated or b) that pure capitalism is what crashed the market.. GO and LOOK at what happened to the trends in housing prices after the Clinton signed into law his Affirmative Action Affordable Housing program.. let's see if this works... 
if not then look here http://images.creditwritedowns.com/blogger/SGFtO3LxcoI/AAAAAAAAA8c/CXZuQg2y7t8/s1600/Case%20Shiller%20inflation.png  People in the loan industry profited from those practices
The heedless drive for profits caused the crash.
This was encouraged and it caused the crash
 The poor have always been an easy scapegoatBut they arn't the ones with the money
http://www.creditwritedowns.com/2008/05/chart-of-day-home-prices-versus.html second graph... lookit.. housing prices follow inflation.. nice little trend.. then The Clinton signs the Affordable Housing Bill in 1996 and boom... housing prices jump and outpace inflation like a boss.. untill when?? until all those subprime mortgages began to default.. too many sellers, not enough buyers.. anyone? anyone know what happens when supply far exceeds demand? anyone? that's right.. prices fall.. it becomes a buyers market.. prices keep falling and suddenly buyer stop buying because they;re afriad of losing out on the deal.. get it straight man.. you're on the wrong side of the arguement.. Yes,the overwhelming greed of the capitalist system causes these problems It is easy to blame the poor,but its strange how they arn't the ones with control of the money
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raiderfan_32
Joined Tue 01/20/09 Posts: 1328 |
did you even look at the ev? or are you just continuing to spout rhetoric?
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raiderfan_32
Joined Tue 01/20/09 Posts: 1328 |
It was Fannie and Freddie, Government Sponsored Enterprises, that drove the subprime mortgage writing.. not regular banks..
Mirror, I seriously hope you're f'ing with me because there's no doubt in any economists' minds, who aren't currently on the payroll of the Obama Administration or the DNC, where and how the bubble started.. It started in the late 90's when banks were forced by Clinton to shovel borrowers into the housing market who could barely afford to keep current on their rent... http://www.openmarket.org/2008/09/16/clinton-pressure-to-promote-affordable-housing-led-to-mortgage-meltdown/ |
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MirrorMirror
Joined Fri 10/26/07 Posts: 87607 |
QUOTE: It was Fannie and Freddie, Government Sponsored Enterprises, that drove the subprime mortgage writing.. not regular banks.. Mirror, I seriously hope you're f'ing with me because there's no doubt in any economists' minds, who aren't currently on the payroll of the Obama Administration or the DNC, where and how the bubble started.. It started in the late 90's when banks were forced by Clinton to shovel borrowers into the housing market who could barely afford to keep current on their rent... http://www.openmarket.org/2008/09/16/clinton-pressure-to-promote-affordable-housing-led-to-mortgage-meltdown/ Those particular economists want to blame the poor. That is what they always do.The poor are an easy targetI do not subscribe to that belief because it is not the poor that have control of the money.
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raiderfan_32
Joined Tue 01/20/09 Posts: 1328 |
why do you refuse to think the logic through?
I'm not blaming the poor.. if anything, they're as much the victims in the affordable housing scam as the rest of us are.. they're the one's being booted out of their homes.. along with a great many other people.. you don't gain anything or increase your resources by borrowing that which you can't pay back.. everyone loses.. and that's what happened.. I'll grant that there was a fierce amount of greed involved in the issue but if that's all it was, why did it not happen sooner? why the timing of the inflation of the market bubble that I show you here? http://www.creditwritedowns.com/2008/05/chart-of-day-home-prices-versus.html I'll tell you why.. It was market-rigging on the part of the Clinton.. it's just too bad no one stopped it then.. but no one in congress wanted to have to fend off the allegations of racism that would have come along with opposition to that legislation.. The push to put people in houses they could afford by literally giving them loans they couldn't repay was the impetous.. I don't blame the poor, per se.. Hell I almost took one of those loans.. but I didn't because I wanted to protect my credit.. I knew I couldnt keep up with a mortgage at the time.. but people gotta remember what their granny told them growing up.. "If it's too good to be true, it probably is." Zero down, zero interest loans are just plain too good to be true and they didn't exist prior to 1996/97.. the linkage is there.. whether you acknowledge it or not is purely a function of your intellectual honesty..
Edited by raiderfan_32 on Fri 11/06/09 10:54 PM
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msharmony
Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 1517 |
mmm,,Can we actually READ or HEAR in the bill where it calls for raising taxes before we get heated about what we think 'our' money is going to? My mom worked in government,, there is excellent healthcare for those workers because of the sheer number who are members in the healthplan (thereby getting a reduced rate). The understanding I have is that this option will work the same way,,not from tax money. But as I said, Id love to see for myself the actual plan and not all the critics opinions about what it means...
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raiderfan_32
Joined Tue 01/20/09 Posts: 1328 |
QUOTE: mmm,,Can we actually READ or HEAR in the bill where it calls for raising taxes before we get heated about what we think 'our' money is going to? My mom worked in government,, there is excellent healthcare for those workers because of the sheer number who are members in the healthplan (thereby getting a reduced rate). The understanding I have is that this option will work the same way,,not from tax money. But as I said, Id love to see for myself the actual plan and not all the critics opinions about what it means... i dare you to go to opencongress.org and try to look at it.. read it if you can get it to load.. (It's crashed me everytime I go there and try to pull it up.. maybe it's cuz Princess Nanci won't let it out until it's voted on..) and in a year from now when you're done with reading it, come back and tell us what you think. |
peladac
Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 4389 |
QUOTE: QUOTE: mmm,,Can we actually READ or HEAR in the bill where it calls for raising taxes before we get heated about what we think 'our' money is going to? My mom worked in government,, there is excellent healthcare for those workers because of the sheer number who are members in the healthplan (thereby getting a reduced rate). The understanding I have is that this option will work the same way,,not from tax money. But as I said, Id love to see for myself the actual plan and not all the critics opinions about what it means... i dare you to go to opencongress.org and try to look at it.. read it if you can get it to load.. (It's crashed me everytime I go there and try to pull it up.. maybe it's cuz Princess Nanci won't let it out until it's voted on..) and in a year from now when you're done with reading it, come back and tell us what you think. Wow I have read all the posts and raiderfan, you held your own and wow, great job. Sadly, the gimme gimme people won't see it our way. If this passes, all I can say people is bend over and get ready. 
This entitlement society will be the death of America. Not everyone is ENTITLED to everything. If we all realized that, then things would be a heck of a lot better. Good job raider and I do enjoy reading your posts!!! 
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msharmony
Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 1517 |
QUOTE: QUOTE: mmm,,Can we actually READ or HEAR in the bill where it calls for raising taxes before we get heated about what we think 'our' money is going to? My mom worked in government,, there is excellent healthcare for those workers because of the sheer number who are members in the healthplan (thereby getting a reduced rate). The understanding I have is that this option will work the same way,,not from tax money. But as I said, Id love to see for myself the actual plan and not all the critics opinions about what it means... i dare you to go to opencongress.org and try to look at it.. read it if you can get it to load.. (It's crashed me everytime I go there and try to pull it up.. maybe it's cuz Princess Nanci won't let it out until it's voted on..) and in a year from now when you're done with reading it, come back and tell us what you think. I think you are missing my point. IF we havent seen what the bill entails than how can we have so many steadfast opinions about where it will lead? I am giving it time. I think AMerica has seen better days and it will again..life runs in cycles. America was never this healthy united place people want to believe it was. Every generation has faced real issues and had real complaints about government. I dont think this admin is any worse than the ones past.. I just happen to think our President is in touch with the average american a bit more than some have been in recent years, but that is my opinion. |
1956deluxe
Joined Thu 12/06/07 Posts: 7964 |
QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: mmm,,Can we actually READ or HEAR in the bill where it calls for raising taxes before we get heated about what we think 'our' money is going to? My mom worked in government,, there is excellent healthcare for those workers because of the sheer number who are members in the healthplan (thereby getting a reduced rate). The understanding I have is that this option will work the same way,,not from tax money. But as I said, Id love to see for myself the actual plan and not all the critics opinions about what it means... i dare you to go to opencongress.org and try to look at it.. read it if you can get it to load.. (It's crashed me everytime I go there and try to pull it up.. maybe it's cuz Princess Nanci won't let it out until it's voted on..) and in a year from now when you're done with reading it, come back and tell us what you think. Wow I have read all the posts and raiderfan, you held your own and wow, great job. Sadly, the gimme gimme people won't see it our way. If this passes, all I can say people is bend over and get ready.
This entitlement society will be the death of America. Not everyone is ENTITLED to everything. If we all realized that, then things would be a heck of a lot better. Good job raider and I do enjoy reading your posts!!!
This entitlement society will be the death of America? 
Tooo funny!!!
That's the same thing they said when they passed Social Security!
They even labeled President Truman as a socialist.
75% of Americans support having a choice of a Public Option plan. 
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msharmony
Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 1517 |
QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: mmm,,Can we actually READ or HEAR in the bill where it calls for raising taxes before we get heated about what we think 'our' money is going to? My mom worked in government,, there is excellent healthcare for those workers because of the sheer number who are members in the healthplan (thereby getting a reduced rate). The understanding I have is that this option will work the same way,,not from tax money. But as I said, Id love to see for myself the actual plan and not all the critics opinions about what it means... i dare you to go to opencongress.org and try to look at it.. read it if you can get it to load.. (It's crashed me everytime I go there and try to pull it up.. maybe it's cuz Princess Nanci won't let it out until it's voted on..) and in a year from now when you're done with reading it, come back and tell us what you think. Wow I have read all the posts and raiderfan, you held your own and wow, great job. Sadly, the gimme gimme people won't see it our way. If this passes, all I can say people is bend over and get ready.
This entitlement society will be the death of America. Not everyone is ENTITLED to everything. If we all realized that, then things would be a heck of a lot better. Good job raider and I do enjoy reading your posts!!!
This entitlement society will be the death of America?
Tooo funny!!!
That's the same thing they said when they passed Social Security!
They even labeled President Truman as a socialist.
75% of Americans support having a choice of a Public Option plan.
Dude, you are persistent,,lol and funny. I am hoping we pass a reform that makes healthcare affordable to all. |
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1956deluxe
Joined Thu 12/06/07 Posts: 7964 |
QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: mmm,,Can we actually READ or HEAR in the bill where it calls for raising taxes before we get heated about what we think 'our' money is going to? My mom worked in government,, there is excellent healthcare for those workers because of the sheer number who are members in the healthplan (thereby getting a reduced rate). The understanding I have is that this option will work the same way,,not from tax money. But as I said, Id love to see for myself the actual plan and not all the critics opinions about what it means... i dare you to go to opencongress.org and try to look at it.. read it if you can get it to load.. (It's crashed me everytime I go there and try to pull it up.. maybe it's cuz Princess Nanci won't let it out until it's voted on..) and in a year from now when you're done with reading it, come back and tell us what you think. Wow I have read all the posts and raiderfan, you held your own and wow, great job. Sadly, the gimme gimme people won't see it our way. If this passes, all I can say people is bend over and get ready.
This entitlement society will be the death of America. Not everyone is ENTITLED to everything. If we all realized that, then things would be a heck of a lot better. Good job raider and I do enjoy reading your posts!!!
This entitlement society will be the death of America?
Tooo funny!!!
That's the same thing they said when they passed Social Security!
They even labeled President Truman as a socialist.
75% of Americans support having a choice of a Public Option plan.
Dude, you are persistent,,lol and funny. I am hoping we pass a reform that makes healthcare affordable to all. Peledac and Raider just crack me up!
They think this is the end of America?
They need to turn off FOX news and start listening to NPR.
Health Care Reform will pass! And the Republicans know that it's "game over" for their failed party when it does.
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Gizzy1
Joined Wed 08/16/06 Posts: 54 |
Speaking from experience...I don't suggest health care reform....trust me...it's SUCKS!!! plus if u could afford 2 buy ciggarete or marijuana and could afford sitting on your *** and being lazy fat *** then got sick, u should b able 2 buy u'r own damn insurance...I paid shitload of money already into the non-deserving society who don't have respect 4 ppl who feed and keep them alive, why do I have 2 give up more? my suggestion 2 those ****edheads goverment ppl since they all old and almost dead anyway... 2 start digging their own graveyard...instead of making our lives hell
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1956deluxe
Joined Thu 12/06/07 Posts: 7964 |
QUOTE: Speaking from experience...I don't suggest health care reform....trust me...it's SUCKS!!! plus if u could afford 2 buy ciggarete or marijuana and could afford sitting on your *** and being lazy fat *** then got sick, u should b able 2 buy u'r own damn insurance...I paid shitload of money already into the non-deserving society who don't have respect 4 ppl who feed and keep them alive, why do I have 2 give up more? my suggestion 2 those ****edheads goverment ppl since they all old and almost dead anyway... 2 start digging their own graveyard...instead of making our lives hell Wow, chill out Giz! 
Everything is going to be OK.
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Cambolaya65
Joined Mon 09/03/07 Posts: 5575 |
The cost of affordable healthcare IS the national Katrina.The democrats are trying to build a dike that costs 900 billion dollars to keep us from drowning in personal debt.The righties see the disaster differently and think we just need floaties.It really is sad to see who is owned by big insurance and lobbyists.Both parties have agendas that will hurt someone.
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msharmony
Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 1517 |
lolol,,,,oh good grief.....the sky is falling
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Cambolaya65
Joined Mon 09/03/07 Posts: 5575 |
QUOTE: lolol,,,,oh good grief.....the sky is falling |
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msharmony
Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 1517 |
touche,,,we agree Health care needs to be reformed in a way that allows equal healthcare to ALL and protects consumers from outrageous prices that put them in debt.
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raiderfan_32
Joined Tue 01/20/09 Posts: 1328 |
QUOTE: QUOTE: lolol,,,,oh good grief.....the sky is falling the "open seas of capitalism" aren't all that open.. Federal restriction prevent yo from carrying your coverage from one state to another. they also prevent full blown competition from taking place by allowing companies from selling in all 50 states.. Did you know that besides Baseball (MLB) the insurance industry is maybe on of the only other one that enjoys an anti-trust exemption? Yep.. and that's by virtue of federal law.. QUOTE: from wiki
In short, while not changing the opinion of prevailing law, the Court stated that the conclusion that insurance was not commerce under the law rested with Congress, and that the Court would follow the lead of Congress. As a result, on March 9, 1945, the McCarran–Ferguson Act was passed by Congress. Among other things, it allows for: -exempts health insurance companies from the federal anti-trust legislation that applies to most businesses[1] -the state regulation of insurance -allows states to establish mandatory licensing requirements -preserves certain state laws of insurance. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarran%E2%80%93Ferguson_Act i don't know why that link isn't working but the act is called the "McCarran-Ferguson Act" check into it.. So don't listen to the fearmongers and populists that attempt to rally us, the nonpriviledged, against the forces of the free market.. it's all a scam.. they don't care about covering you and you kiddos against healthrisks.. they just care about controling your access to it, so that when election time comes, they can say "if you vote for the other guys, they'll take your healthcare away" Don't fall for it.. If choice and competition was all they were interesting on promoting, they would strip the healthcare insurance industry of it's anti-trust exemption and set reasonable minimum standards that allowed for people with pre-existing conditions to buy into high-risk pools the way that 16 year old boys are allowed to buy car insurance. But "Choice and Competition" is just a nice sounding phrase that gets people to think that they have benevolent motives.. But the FedGov's Public Option is the only option that will be available in all 50 states.. is that "Choice and Competition"? or is it a Federal Monopoly? Pelosi's plan will force you to pay $1250/month for a family of 4 and you get to go to the DMV/DPS to get seen by a doctor.. you have to carry medical insurance that they have the priviledge either to approve or disapprove.. in effect, you get another mommy.. is that how you see the role of the Federal Government? a surrogate, substitute mommy?
Edited by raiderfan_32 on Sat 11/07/09 09:37 AM
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AndrewAV
Joined Sun 09/28/08 Posts: 1031 |
QUOTE: QUOTE: This country has gone to hell in a matter of decades. It's not turning out how it was suppose to turn out. Greed and money dictates how this country is. The fed needs to be stopped and big government needs to take a step back. The way things are leading with the two major parties, I only see it getting worse. Something needs to give, people need to stop all the hate and stop fighting against each other and start fighting against big government. Things could be good if the hate went away. "This country has gone to hell in a matter of decades. It's not turning out how it was suppose to turn out. Greed and money dictates how this country is." Yes, unregulated and uncontrolled capitalism has that effect
when did we ever have this unregulated capitalism you speak of? was i asleep or something? |