Cain may have been the son of the Naga serpent man. The forbidden fruit was most likely infidelity. Both Adam and Eve had sexual relations with the Naga serpent man.

Also men having sex with other men was pretty common 2000 years ago. Nobody thought much about it.

But apparently Eve got pregnant and that was when Cain was conceived.

Cowboy,No matter how much effort is made to help

show you the scriptures that make things so very clear about

there only being 8 people on the ark;and also, flesh was

referring to every living thing, you still deny what God's Word

so very plainly shows you.

It was before the Mosaic law. God says right here what he did, laying with his sister, was a sin. But God suffered them, for it was out of inocence. But God cleary states it being a sin against him.

Genesis 20

5Said he not unto me, She is my sister? and she, even she herself said, He is my brother: in the integrity of my heart and innocency of my hands have I done this.

6And God said unto him in a dream, Yea, I know that thou didst this in the integrity of thy heart; for I also withheld thee from sinning against me: therefore suffered I thee not to touch her.

7Now therefore restore the man his wife; for he is a prophet, and he shall pray for thee, and thou shalt live: and if thou restore her not, know thou that thou shalt surely die, thou, and all that are thine.

you still deny what God's Word

so very plainly shows you

Morningsong everyone interprets the Bible differently because of the way it is written and it has been rewritten many times. A single word interpreted to another language the wrong way can change the entire meaning of scripture.

Everyone gets from the Bible what they need. People seldom agree on what they get.

Just because a person does not agree with what you get from it does not meant that they "deny" what the Bible is saying.

I'm sure you realize this.

What interests me the most is that when a conflict occurs in trying to take a literal approach to the bible it is so rare for the conclusion to be . . .well this must be wrong, instead some other contrived interpretation is reached to try to continue believing the bible can be a literal truth instead of merely metaphorical truth, or not true at all.

Genetics, geology, archaeology and I am sure other sciences rule out a world wide flood that supposedly killed off everything except a hand full of each "kind".

In fact not only do the true believers twist the interpretations, they also try to twist science itself to conform to there own beliefs.

Kent Hovind is a great example. That site Morning song posted a while back is another.

The science these apologist groups try to put forth is just plain wrong, it does not explain the evidence and ignores anything that contradicts their conclusions . . which is not the way of science. ie it's not science.

To come to grips with that you either have to ignore the science, twist the science, or believe that god is a trickster god who likes people to come to the wrong conclusions when they view the false evidence.

RFD indeed.

It's FUBAR

But you are incorrect.

One of the strongest pieces of evidence for a worldwide flood is the existence of what Rupke termed "polystrate fossils." Such fossils are found all over the world. They usually consist of fossil trees that were buried upright, and which often traverse multiple layers of strata such as sandstone, limestone, shale, and even coal beds. 1,2,3,4 They range in size from small rootlets to trees over 80 feet long. 3 Sometimes they are oblique in relation to the surrounding strata, but more often they are perpendicular to it. For example, at Joggins, Nova Scotia, polystrate tree (and root) fossils are found at various intervals throughout roughly 2,500 feet of strata. Many of these are from 10-20 feet long, 5,6 and, at least one was 40 feet long.

Many of these roots and rootlets, are also buried individually. 9 This strongly suggests that these trees did not grow in the same places where they were buried, but rather were uprooted and re-deposited there.

Similar circumstances occur at various other places in Nova Scotia, as well as in the United States, England, Germany, and France. Another place where large tree stumps are preserved without their roots attached is Axel Heiberg 10,11 Island in Northern Canada.

And although there is much data on buried trees in the geological literature, most of it is over 100 years old, and difficult to access.

Fossils don't form on lake bottoms today, nor are they found forming on the bottom of the sea. 15 Instead, they normally only form when a plant or animal is buried soon after it dies. 16 Therefore, the fossils themselves are evidence of a catastrophe such as a flood or volcanic eruption that took place in the past. See also Rapid Petrification of Wood, by Andrew Snelling

There is no physical way that much water was on earth at any point in history at all what so ever, no less the tiny time spans humanity has existed on earth.

Its a fantasy.

What you describe does indicates local floods which happen often. This cherry picking of evidence and the ignoring of what it would really mean for this to be true is what makes religious apologists so inept.

There is enough water on this world to flood it over, in the ice caps.

"local floods" are just nature, that isn't specifically God flooding different regions of the world through different times, we're talking about the great flood. When all the world was covered in water, not floods that happen here or there.

even though the story can't be found in the bible, for the sake of argument let's assume that Cain was the son of the Naga Serpent Man.. what were some of the genetic genes or traits that Cain and/or Mankind inherited from Naga The Serpent Man?

Bushido.

The Great Flood was nothing more than a tsunami caused by a meteor crashing down into the ocean just off the coast of Europe.

Proven, as the crater still exists where it landed in the ocean off the coast.

It's 2,000+ years ago.

Do you think such is a meteor?
Or would you call it an act of God?

Later when people where walking along some mountains in Europe they discovered seashells on the mountains.

Yes, agreed, uncanny; however, a massive tsunami would have caused such an occurrence.

So, these 'acts', placed in an era with the serious lack of the science and technology we have now, combined with their naive and gullible frame of minds..

Hallucination solved.

If you knew 100% absolutely NOTHING about what lies beyond the clouds; a massive rock coming down from behind them..

Discovering a rock with writing on it..

God? Or perhaps, maybe, it's just a remnant from a civilization already completely lost?

I mean, this was an age where:

The world was flat.
Monsters were ripe protecting the edge of it.
If you did make it to the edge.
You'd fall off. (Really? Fall off?)
The sun revolved around this flat planet; because the planet itself was just a 'disk'.

I mean come on, Thales believed the Earth was comparable to a log floating in water..

This 'idea' became a common practice throughout over 20 cultures; who never questioned it, until the bi-sexual Christopher Columbus.

..gee, I wonder why he wanted the world to have 'curves'.

Then these 'prophets' on Earth were like, 'Crap, he' gonna find out the truth. Quick alter the Bible alter the Bible! Code BLUE. This is NOT an drill people!'

..now deliver the message to the four corners of the Earth, is just a 'metaphor'.

Here I will give you indisputable proof at how freaking dense and dumb our ancestors were.



Notice how the ship almost seems like it is sinking, when in reality, it is not?

Common sense.

If the world was flat, the ocean would be flat.
The waters are calm and peaceful.

So either A or B.

A. That ship is sinking (bogus)

B. The world is round and the curvature is evident

Not to mention.

Even before Christ.
This model came out:



..and is dated 150 BC (Yeah, that's right, Before Christ.

One final note.

Eclipses.

You can perfectly denote the curvature of the Earth as it covers the moon during an Eclipse; one which you do not require a telescope for; especially in less polluted Earth.

Ironically, how that first 'round' Earth model was structured from.

This is just the theory of the Earth being flat.
I stuck to this ideal because it is one solid fact now that cannot be disputed.

..now if we dive into the Bible, section by section..
Oh what happy days..

Couldnt agree more, and it would have been local, not world wide. Which is exactly what the evidence shows.

Here is a great series of videos that explains scientifically the foundational falsehoods of creation apologetics.

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/foundational-falsehoods-of-creationism/

Sin you need to get some speakers!

See i understand the bible isn't a science book,but when there is billions of people accepting the questionable events in it and science has proved other wise,that's where the problems begin.

One of the biggest issues i have is how did people get over to the western hemisphere after the great floods and didn't have knowledge of the Abrahamic God also.
See it's things like this they have no answer for cause their only answer is "I don't know but i'm sure God has his reasons"LOL...reason,dam if they only used it.

Ironically, as it seems..
I'm part Indian.

Now while the following is only what I've been told by my grandparents, you will soon denote into my brief story.. It's much like the origin of the Bible. A hand me down through generation upon generation.

I take you to a place called the Old Crow Flats.

Don't know where that is? I'm getting there.

Story goes like this..

Centuries (yes, centuries, as in well before AD deep into BC), we will say over 20,000 years ago; my 'clan' lived somewhere in the Asia's, I believe he mentioned NE or maybe its was more to the central? Not sure precisely.

Anyway, as some sort of tensions rose in Asia itself, my descendants began to flock further north, looking to escape the 'growing madness' (make note, my great grandfather never actually mentioned what this madness entailed) and eventually these people found a way to cross over into a new and almost abandoned land mass.

They began to settle around a place called the Old Crow Flats.

Over time, their population grew and they began to flock even further south, and further... and eventually they broke off into separate nations, tribes, whatever you want to call them; but they remained in their former and old style of ways. Some of this cultures died off, some flourished, and as time passed, Vikings began to massacre them for food, clothing, supplies; raped their women, etc.

So what is the relevance of this story?

In 1492, Christopher Columbus stumbled upon these people and believed he was in India and called them, 'Indians'.

My 'ancestors' are part of the group we presently refer to as the Aboriginals; the original and 'first' known settlers of Old Crow Flats which is located in a place we now call, 'Canada'.

Scientists have uncovered, since those days, fossils and the likes that date back almost, if not over, 23,000 years.

Yes, 23,000 years ago.

Obviously, I don't know if any of his story held any firm truth within it; however, if you read up on the Aboriginals and after doing so feel there is little reason to doubt these people did in fact exist; it would be far more than just 'odd' that these people never witnessed any sort of thing known as the 'Great Flood'.

..furthermore..

A distant Wampanoag legend once said, '..to the East the sky burned and the sun disappeared for a moment and once the sun had reappeared the tides rolled in far higher than ever before..we took such as an omen. Something, in the future, maybe near, maybe far; but something was going to come our way..'

Fancy that.

An Indian tribe, and the same tribe who was denoted for helping said pilgrims, noticed 'the sky burn' which indicates the validity of a meteor. The fact the tides 'rose higher than ever before' indicates the 'tsunami' or massive tidal wave that rocked Europe around that time.

..and the bad omen they spoke of?

Well, we do remember what happened to the Indians, do we not? o.O

However, you don't have to believe me.

It was, after all, just the story of a 88 year old great grandfather when I was a wee little lad. And me, being the little boy who loved carnage, never forgot it. (Well, most of it anyway. I can't give as much detail as he did.)

I have to agree with Cowboy on this one...if those that lean towards science believe that during the "Ice Age" that the world was covered with ice .....then why couldn't it been covered by water ...isn't ice... water?

yes but the polar caps receded gradually not at once cause if that happened where did all the water go,through evaporation?If evaporation worked that quick then our seas would be gone.remember the great flood according to the bible covered the entire earth not just the northern hemisphere.It rained for 40 days and 40 nights and the great flood covered the entire planet.

The following is a prayer required to be daily recited by Jesuits at the University Pisa in the 1600s:

NOTHING COMES FROM ATOMS
All the bodies of the world shine with the beauty of their forms
Without these the globe would only be an immense chaos
in the beginning G-d made all things, so that they might generate something
Consider to be nothing that from which nothing can come
You, O Democritus, form nothing different starting from atoms
Atoms produce nothing; therefore, atoms are nothing.

I think this should demonstrate the actual relationship between Science and Faith

Yep funny thing though Japan in WW2 got a taste of what atoms can do.

a flood is just something that naturally occurs in nature, the bible is only stating that it occured on a world wide scale which according to the laws of physics is possible

a balloon can float in the Ocean and not be underwater but if you deflate the balloon then it will be covered with water...the same with land, large amounts of water could increase volcanic activity and cause the tectonic plates to all shift and bring the entire land mass that was once above water below water.....and volcanic activity can replace the land above water...that's basically how The Hawaiian Islands were formed

this is why an argument against a world wide flood or any event that could occur naturally is actually an argument against the laws of physics ....this is when the bible and science enters into a stalemate

but then again this is why there are no sure things as miracles...because a miracle would be an event that goes against the laws of physics or can not be explained using the laws of physics..

sometimes you will even find priests that will try to give a scietific explanation as to how the great flood occured due to the laws of physics...it makes you wonder why they would do this...because it's actually an argument against miracles and God