Topic: 50 reasons to be ashamed (and not a fan) of Jesus - part 2
CowboyGH
Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 11641 |
QUOTE: I can't believe this thread flipped from argument power over out of context OP. Yeah, the words were as written, but you had the read the whole chapter to get an inkling of the context. Much like Salmon Rushdie book on Islam, "Satanic verses." The Bible has them too if you don't understand what you are reading. My 2 cents worth. Absolutely true. This is where all the supposedly contradicitons come from as well. They read one verse, then go with it and not pay attention to the surrounding verses. |
AdventureBegins
Joined Tue 04/10/07 Posts: 7407 |
QUOTE: QUOTE: I can't believe this thread flipped from argument power over out of context OP. Yeah, the words were as written, but you had the read the whole chapter to get an inkling of the context. Much like Salmon Rushdie book on Islam, "Satanic verses." The Bible has them too if you don't understand what you are reading. My 2 cents worth. Absolutely true. This is where all the supposedly contradicitons come from as well. They read one verse, then go with it and not pay attention to the surrounding verses. Cowboy the contradictions come from the snake. Some people follow the allure of the snake that eats its own tail and so miss the Majestic Wonder that is the Reality that is God. I give you example from your own words. "True, God has no ending. That is why he is the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. There is no before God and will be no after God. " This is the reasoning warned of by the symbol of the Snake that Eats its Own Tail. Following such reasoning leads to a Temporal Loop of endless duration (it has no exit point, nor does it reach to the world beyond the circle contained by the body of the snake. Jesus is the Alpha and Omega within the cycle of man. Alpha of the Cycle of Glory, Omega of the Cycle of Adam. If you place Jesus in the position of God you envoke the Snake. God is outside the cycle. God Is. There is no begining or end to God. God just IS. If you can not understand that concept then you will be trapped forever in the Circle of the Snake. Allways seeking the Forgivness of Christ for the wispering of the Snake in the Garden. Yet all you need do is accept the Grace Given by God through Christ... and step out of the circle.
Edited by AdventureBegins on Wed 07/11/12 07:06 PM
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Peter_Pan69
Joined Sun 08/23/09 Posts: 2779 |
QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: I can't believe this thread flipped from argument power over out of context OP. Yeah, the words were as written, but you had the read the whole chapter to get an inkling of the context. Much like Salmon Rushdie book on Islam, "Satanic verses." The Bible has them too if you don't understand what you are reading. My 2 cents worth. Absolutely true. This is where all the supposedly contradicitons come from as well. They read one verse, then go with it and not pay attention to the surrounding verses. Cowboy the contradictions come from the snake. Some people follow the allure of the snake that eats its own tail and so miss the Majestic Wonder that is the Reality that is God. I give you example from your own words. "True, God has no ending. That is why he is the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. There is no before God and will be no after God. " This is the reasoning warned of by the symbol of the Snake that Eats its Own Tail. Following such reasoning leads to a Temporal Loop of endless duration (it has no exit point, nor does it reach to the world beyond the circle contained by the body of the snake. Jesus is the Alpha and Omega within the cycle of man. Alpha of the Cycle of Glory, Omega of the Cycle of Adam. If you place Jesus in the position of God you envoke the Snake. God is outside the cycle. God Is. There is no begining or end to God. God just IS. If you can not understand that concept then you will be trapped forever in the Circle of the Snake. Allways seeking the Forgivness of Christ for the wispering of the Snake in the Garden. Yet all you need do is accept the Grace Given by God through Christ... and step out of the circle. Yeshua's own words and even his name confirm what AdventureBegins says. |
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CowboyGH
Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 11641 |
QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: I can't believe this thread flipped from argument power over out of context OP. Yeah, the words were as written, but you had the read the whole chapter to get an inkling of the context. Much like Salmon Rushdie book on Islam, "Satanic verses." The Bible has them too if you don't understand what you are reading. My 2 cents worth. Absolutely true. This is where all the supposedly contradicitons come from as well. They read one verse, then go with it and not pay attention to the surrounding verses. Cowboy the contradictions come from the snake. Some people follow the allure of the snake that eats its own tail and so miss the Majestic Wonder that is the Reality that is God. I give you example from your own words. "True, God has no ending. That is why he is the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. There is no before God and will be no after God. " This is the reasoning warned of by the symbol of the Snake that Eats its Own Tail. Following such reasoning leads to a Temporal Loop of endless duration (it has no exit point, nor does it reach to the world beyond the circle contained by the body of the snake. Jesus is the Alpha and Omega within the cycle of man. Alpha of the Cycle of Glory, Omega of the Cycle of Adam. If you place Jesus in the position of God you envoke the Snake. God is outside the cycle. God Is. There is no begining or end to God. God just IS. If you can not understand that concept then you will be trapped forever in the Circle of the Snake. Allways seeking the Forgivness of Christ for the wispering of the Snake in the Garden. Yet all you need do is accept the Grace Given by God through Christ... and step out of the circle. QUOTE: There is no begining or end to God. God just IS. I totally agree and understand and is exactly what I was saying. There is no beginning of God or ending of God. That is why Jesus is the alpha and omega, the beginning and the end. There is no before God and there is no after God. God has always been and always will be.
Edited by CowboyGH on Wed 07/11/12 08:48 PM
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andrewzooms
Joined Fri 10/26/07 Posts: 2696 |
If Jesus is the beginning why do the millions of people born before Jesus automatically get into Heaven?
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CowboyGH
Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 11641 |
QUOTE: If Jesus is the beginning why do the millions of people born before Jesus automatically get into Heaven? There was no before the LORD Jesus. Yes there was a time before he took on the form of a servant and dwelt among us in the flesh. But there is no time before him, heck he's the one that created us. Genesis 2:4 4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens, |
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CowboyGH
Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 11641 |
QUOTE: QUOTE: If Jesus is the beginning why do the millions of people born before Jesus automatically get into Heaven? There was no before the LORD Jesus. Yes there was a time before he took on the form of a servant and dwelt among us in the flesh. But there is no time before him, heck he's the one that created us. Genesis 2:4 4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens, And before Jesus walked the Earth in the flesh, people had to earn eternal life through good works. We are now saved by faith in the covenant we are under now. Faith in Jesus Christ. No works could earn you anything in Heaven, it's all a given gift through the sacrifice Jesus Christ did for us all. No gift or action could trump what Jesus did. |
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CowboyGH
Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 11641 |
QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: I can't believe this thread flipped from argument power over out of context OP. Yeah, the words were as written, but you had the read the whole chapter to get an inkling of the context. Much like Salmon Rushdie book on Islam, "Satanic verses." The Bible has them too if you don't understand what you are reading. My 2 cents worth. Absolutely true. This is where all the supposedly contradicitons come from as well. They read one verse, then go with it and not pay attention to the surrounding verses. Cowboy the contradictions come from the snake. Some people follow the allure of the snake that eats its own tail and so miss the Majestic Wonder that is the Reality that is God. I give you example from your own words. "True, God has no ending. That is why he is the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. There is no before God and will be no after God. " This is the reasoning warned of by the symbol of the Snake that Eats its Own Tail. Following such reasoning leads to a Temporal Loop of endless duration (it has no exit point, nor does it reach to the world beyond the circle contained by the body of the snake. Jesus is the Alpha and Omega within the cycle of man. Alpha of the Cycle of Glory, Omega of the Cycle of Adam. If you place Jesus in the position of God you envoke the Snake. God is outside the cycle. God Is. There is no begining or end to God. God just IS. If you can not understand that concept then you will be trapped forever in the Circle of the Snake. Allways seeking the Forgivness of Christ for the wispering of the Snake in the Garden. Yet all you need do is accept the Grace Given by God through Christ... and step out of the circle. QUOTE: If you place Jesus in the position of God you envoke the Snake. I placed Jesus in no position. He was God before I was even thought of. Matthew 1:23 23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. Isaiah 9:6 6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. John 20:28 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. |
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andrewzooms
Joined Fri 10/26/07 Posts: 2696 |
So everyone killed in The Great Flood is going to Hell? I mean wouldn't that be a perfect time for Jesus to come save the World.
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AdventureBegins
Joined Tue 04/10/07 Posts: 7407 |
QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: I can't believe this thread flipped from argument power over out of context OP. Yeah, the words were as written, but you had the read the whole chapter to get an inkling of the context. Much like Salmon Rushdie book on Islam, "Satanic verses." The Bible has them too if you don't understand what you are reading. My 2 cents worth. Absolutely true. This is where all the supposedly contradicitons come from as well. They read one verse, then go with it and not pay attention to the surrounding verses. Cowboy the contradictions come from the snake. Some people follow the allure of the snake that eats its own tail and so miss the Majestic Wonder that is the Reality that is God. I give you example from your own words. "True, God has no ending. That is why he is the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. There is no before God and will be no after God. " This is the reasoning warned of by the symbol of the Snake that Eats its Own Tail. Following such reasoning leads to a Temporal Loop of endless duration (it has no exit point, nor does it reach to the world beyond the circle contained by the body of the snake. Jesus is the Alpha and Omega within the cycle of man. Alpha of the Cycle of Glory, Omega of the Cycle of Adam. If you place Jesus in the position of God you envoke the Snake. God is outside the cycle. God Is. There is no begining or end to God. God just IS. If you can not understand that concept then you will be trapped forever in the Circle of the Snake. Allways seeking the Forgivness of Christ for the wispering of the Snake in the Garden. Yet all you need do is accept the Grace Given by God through Christ... and step out of the circle. QUOTE: If you place Jesus in the position of God you envoke the Snake. I placed Jesus in no position. He was God before I was even thought of. Matthew 1:23 23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. Isaiah 9:6 6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. John 20:28 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. Emmanuel means LIGHT is with us. If you believe that Jesus was as is God then you indeed listen to the wispering of the Snake. but I have spoken to you many times of the Temporal Loop that you are trapped within... Jesus went unto God. In the Glory of God you will find him. If you look for him where was the snake you will find naught but the snake. |
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CowboyGH
Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 11641 |
QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: I can't believe this thread flipped from argument power over out of context OP. Yeah, the words were as written, but you had the read the whole chapter to get an inkling of the context. Much like Salmon Rushdie book on Islam, "Satanic verses." The Bible has them too if you don't understand what you are reading. My 2 cents worth. Absolutely true. This is where all the supposedly contradicitons come from as well. They read one verse, then go with it and not pay attention to the surrounding verses. Cowboy the contradictions come from the snake. Some people follow the allure of the snake that eats its own tail and so miss the Majestic Wonder that is the Reality that is God. I give you example from your own words. "True, God has no ending. That is why he is the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. There is no before God and will be no after God. " This is the reasoning warned of by the symbol of the Snake that Eats its Own Tail. Following such reasoning leads to a Temporal Loop of endless duration (it has no exit point, nor does it reach to the world beyond the circle contained by the body of the snake. Jesus is the Alpha and Omega within the cycle of man. Alpha of the Cycle of Glory, Omega of the Cycle of Adam. If you place Jesus in the position of God you envoke the Snake. God is outside the cycle. God Is. There is no begining or end to God. God just IS. If you can not understand that concept then you will be trapped forever in the Circle of the Snake. Allways seeking the Forgivness of Christ for the wispering of the Snake in the Garden. Yet all you need do is accept the Grace Given by God through Christ... and step out of the circle. QUOTE: If you place Jesus in the position of God you envoke the Snake. I placed Jesus in no position. He was God before I was even thought of. Matthew 1:23 23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. Isaiah 9:6 6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. John 20:28 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. Emmanuel means LIGHT is with us. If you believe that Jesus was as is God then you indeed listen to the wispering of the Snake. but I have spoken to you many times of the Temporal Loop that you are trapped within... Jesus went unto God. In the Glory of God you will find him. If you look for him where was the snake you will find naught but the snake. Jesus went to his father. From the wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanuel Immanuel (or Emmanuel or Imanu'el, Hebrew עִמָּנוּאֵל meaning "God is with us") is a symbolic name which appears in chapters 7 and 8 of the Book of Isaiah as part of a prophecy assuring king Ahaz of Judah of God's protection against enemy kings; it is quoted in the Gospel of Matthew as a sign verifying the divine status of Jesus. It is a theophoric (a name which contains the name of a god) made up of two Hebrew words, אֵל, ’El, meaning "God", and עִמָּנוּ, ʻImmānū, meaning "with us". |
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CowboyGH
Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 11641 |
QUOTE: So everyone killed in The Great Flood is going to Hell? I mean wouldn't that be a perfect time for Jesus to come save the World. No, people before Jesus walked the Earth were under a different covenant. They were saved through obedience to the law, from works they have done. They were not saved by the grace of God, they were again saved by their works. And judged by their peers, eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth. |
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AdventureBegins
Joined Tue 04/10/07 Posts: 7407 |
QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: I can't believe this thread flipped from argument power over out of context OP. Yeah, the words were as written, but you had the read the whole chapter to get an inkling of the context. Much like Salmon Rushdie book on Islam, "Satanic verses." The Bible has them too if you don't understand what you are reading. My 2 cents worth. Absolutely true. This is where all the supposedly contradicitons come from as well. They read one verse, then go with it and not pay attention to the surrounding verses. Cowboy the contradictions come from the snake. Some people follow the allure of the snake that eats its own tail and so miss the Majestic Wonder that is the Reality that is God. I give you example from your own words. "True, God has no ending. That is why he is the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. There is no before God and will be no after God. " This is the reasoning warned of by the symbol of the Snake that Eats its Own Tail. Following such reasoning leads to a Temporal Loop of endless duration (it has no exit point, nor does it reach to the world beyond the circle contained by the body of the snake. Jesus is the Alpha and Omega within the cycle of man. Alpha of the Cycle of Glory, Omega of the Cycle of Adam. If you place Jesus in the position of God you envoke the Snake. God is outside the cycle. God Is. There is no begining or end to God. God just IS. If you can not understand that concept then you will be trapped forever in the Circle of the Snake. Allways seeking the Forgivness of Christ for the wispering of the Snake in the Garden. Yet all you need do is accept the Grace Given by God through Christ... and step out of the circle. QUOTE: If you place Jesus in the position of God you envoke the Snake. I placed Jesus in no position. He was God before I was even thought of. Matthew 1:23 23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. Isaiah 9:6 6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. John 20:28 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. Emmanuel means LIGHT is with us. If you believe that Jesus was as is God then you indeed listen to the wispering of the Snake. but I have spoken to you many times of the Temporal Loop that you are trapped within... Jesus went unto God. In the Glory of God you will find him. If you look for him where was the snake you will find naught but the snake. Jesus went to his father. From the wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanuel Immanuel (or Emmanuel or Imanu'el, Hebrew עִמָּנוּאֵל meaning "God is with us") is a symbolic name which appears in chapters 7 and 8 of the Book of Isaiah as part of a prophecy assuring king Ahaz of Judah of God's protection against enemy kings; it is quoted in the Gospel of Matthew as a sign verifying the divine status of Jesus. It is a theophoric (a name which contains the name of a god) made up of two Hebrew words, אֵל, ’El, meaning "God", and עִמָּנוּ, ʻImmānū, meaning "with us". God is with us is not Jesus. (rather it springs from the Advent of Jesus) Immanuel (as fortold by Isaiah) is not a man... It is a concept. For God is indeed with us. He walks with us each one. Jesus is the Alpha of the Cycle of Glory and the Omega of the Cycle of Adam. God is eternal and has neither Alpha nor Omega. Infinite has no begining or end... Begining signifies a non infinite start. End signifies a non infinite stop. God by the very nature of God is eternal (infinite) If you place Jesus in the portion of reality that is Gods alone you are blind to any truth outside the Circle of the Snake. You will know neither 'heaven' nor 'hell' both of which are also outside the Circle of the Snake. It is a temporal loop. |
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CowboyGH
Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 11641 |
QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: I can't believe this thread flipped from argument power over out of context OP. Yeah, the words were as written, but you had the read the whole chapter to get an inkling of the context. Much like Salmon Rushdie book on Islam, "Satanic verses." The Bible has them too if you don't understand what you are reading. My 2 cents worth. Absolutely true. This is where all the supposedly contradicitons come from as well. They read one verse, then go with it and not pay attention to the surrounding verses. Cowboy the contradictions come from the snake. Some people follow the allure of the snake that eats its own tail and so miss the Majestic Wonder that is the Reality that is God. I give you example from your own words. "True, God has no ending. That is why he is the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. There is no before God and will be no after God. " This is the reasoning warned of by the symbol of the Snake that Eats its Own Tail. Following such reasoning leads to a Temporal Loop of endless duration (it has no exit point, nor does it reach to the world beyond the circle contained by the body of the snake. Jesus is the Alpha and Omega within the cycle of man. Alpha of the Cycle of Glory, Omega of the Cycle of Adam. If you place Jesus in the position of God you envoke the Snake. God is outside the cycle. God Is. There is no begining or end to God. God just IS. If you can not understand that concept then you will be trapped forever in the Circle of the Snake. Allways seeking the Forgivness of Christ for the wispering of the Snake in the Garden. Yet all you need do is accept the Grace Given by God through Christ... and step out of the circle. QUOTE: If you place Jesus in the position of God you envoke the Snake. I placed Jesus in no position. He was God before I was even thought of. Matthew 1:23 23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. Isaiah 9:6 6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. John 20:28 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. Emmanuel means LIGHT is with us. If you believe that Jesus was as is God then you indeed listen to the wispering of the Snake. but I have spoken to you many times of the Temporal Loop that you are trapped within... Jesus went unto God. In the Glory of God you will find him. If you look for him where was the snake you will find naught but the snake. Jesus went to his father. From the wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanuel Immanuel (or Emmanuel or Imanu'el, Hebrew עִמָּנוּאֵל meaning "God is with us") is a symbolic name which appears in chapters 7 and 8 of the Book of Isaiah as part of a prophecy assuring king Ahaz of Judah of God's protection against enemy kings; it is quoted in the Gospel of Matthew as a sign verifying the divine status of Jesus. It is a theophoric (a name which contains the name of a god) made up of two Hebrew words, אֵל, ’El, meaning "God", and עִמָּנוּ, ʻImmānū, meaning "with us". God is with us is not Jesus. (rather it springs from the Advent of Jesus) Immanuel (as fortold by Isaiah) is not a man... It is a concept. For God is indeed with us. He walks with us each one. Jesus is the Alpha of the Cycle of Glory and the Omega of the Cycle of Adam. God is eternal and has neither Alpha nor Omega. Infinite has no begining or end... Begining signifies a non infinite start. End signifies a non infinite stop. God by the very nature of God is eternal (infinite) If you place Jesus in the portion of reality that is Gods alone you are blind to any truth outside the Circle of the Snake. You will know neither 'heaven' nor 'hell' both of which are also outside the Circle of the Snake. It is a temporal loop. QUOTE: Immanuel (as fortold by Isaiah) is not a man... It is a concept. For God is indeed with us. He walks with us each one. Evidence of this please? Because after that it speaks of "Jesus/Immanuel" as if he/it was a man. Please give some evidence that it's just a "concept". QUOTE: God is eternal and has neither Alpha nor Omega. Infinite has no begining or end... Begining signifies a non infinite start. End signifies a non infinite stop. God by the very nature of God is eternal (infinite) Absolutely true, God has no beginning nor end. Thus he IS the beginning and the end. There is no before God and there will be no after God. Alpha - The first one; the beginning There was no time before God, he is the beginning of everything. He has no starting point, he's eternal. Always has been and always will be. Omega - the ending or last of a series There is no after God. There will be nothing after God, for there is no after God. Thus he is the end. |
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AdventureBegins
Joined Tue 04/10/07 Posts: 7407 |
QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: I can't believe this thread flipped from argument power over out of context OP. Yeah, the words were as written, but you had the read the whole chapter to get an inkling of the context. Much like Salmon Rushdie book on Islam, "Satanic verses." The Bible has them too if you don't understand what you are reading. My 2 cents worth. Absolutely true. This is where all the supposedly contradicitons come from as well. They read one verse, then go with it and not pay attention to the surrounding verses. Cowboy the contradictions come from the snake. Some people follow the allure of the snake that eats its own tail and so miss the Majestic Wonder that is the Reality that is God. I give you example from your own words. "True, God has no ending. That is why he is the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. There is no before God and will be no after God. " This is the reasoning warned of by the symbol of the Snake that Eats its Own Tail. Following such reasoning leads to a Temporal Loop of endless duration (it has no exit point, nor does it reach to the world beyond the circle contained by the body of the snake. Jesus is the Alpha and Omega within the cycle of man. Alpha of the Cycle of Glory, Omega of the Cycle of Adam. If you place Jesus in the position of God you envoke the Snake. God is outside the cycle. God Is. There is no begining or end to God. God just IS. If you can not understand that concept then you will be trapped forever in the Circle of the Snake. Allways seeking the Forgivness of Christ for the wispering of the Snake in the Garden. Yet all you need do is accept the Grace Given by God through Christ... and step out of the circle. QUOTE: If you place Jesus in the position of God you envoke the Snake. I placed Jesus in no position. He was God before I was even thought of. Matthew 1:23 23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. Isaiah 9:6 6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. John 20:28 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. Emmanuel means LIGHT is with us. If you believe that Jesus was as is God then you indeed listen to the wispering of the Snake. but I have spoken to you many times of the Temporal Loop that you are trapped within... Jesus went unto God. In the Glory of God you will find him. If you look for him where was the snake you will find naught but the snake. Jesus went to his father. From the wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanuel Immanuel (or Emmanuel or Imanu'el, Hebrew עִמָּנוּאֵל meaning "God is with us") is a symbolic name which appears in chapters 7 and 8 of the Book of Isaiah as part of a prophecy assuring king Ahaz of Judah of God's protection against enemy kings; it is quoted in the Gospel of Matthew as a sign verifying the divine status of Jesus. It is a theophoric (a name which contains the name of a god) made up of two Hebrew words, אֵל, ’El, meaning "God", and עִמָּנוּ, ʻImmānū, meaning "with us". God is with us is not Jesus. (rather it springs from the Advent of Jesus) Immanuel (as fortold by Isaiah) is not a man... It is a concept. For God is indeed with us. He walks with us each one. Jesus is the Alpha of the Cycle of Glory and the Omega of the Cycle of Adam. God is eternal and has neither Alpha nor Omega. Infinite has no begining or end... Begining signifies a non infinite start. End signifies a non infinite stop. God by the very nature of God is eternal (infinite) If you place Jesus in the portion of reality that is Gods alone you are blind to any truth outside the Circle of the Snake. You will know neither 'heaven' nor 'hell' both of which are also outside the Circle of the Snake. It is a temporal loop. QUOTE: Immanuel (as fortold by Isaiah) is not a man... It is a concept. For God is indeed with us. He walks with us each one. Evidence of this please? Because after that it speaks of "Jesus/Immanuel" as if he/it was a man. Please give some evidence that it's just a "concept". QUOTE: God is eternal and has neither Alpha nor Omega. Infinite has no begining or end... Begining signifies a non infinite start. End signifies a non infinite stop. God by the very nature of God is eternal (infinite) Absolutely true, God has no beginning nor end. Thus he IS the beginning and the end. There is no before God and there will be no after God. Alpha - The first one; the beginning There was no time before God, he is the beginning of everything. He has no starting point, he's eternal. Always has been and always will be. Omega - the ending or last of a series There is no after God. There will be nothing after God, for there is no after God. Thus he is the end. Infinate - niether begining nor end. God is. There is no begining to IS. "Alpha - The first one; the beginning" Indeed... Adam is the begining of the Cycle of Adam - Christ is the end of that cycle (yet God created it). "Omega - the ending or last of a series" Indeed. The Cycle of Adam ended at the Advent of Christ... Which brought also the Path to Glory for the Human race (yet Glory comes from God which is greater than all the Cycles of Man) Cycles are a thing that mankind is subject to. God is not subject to the word tools mankind uses to explain that which it can not understand. Step away from the Circle of the Snake. God move even beyond the Chaos (for God is Greater than the Abyss and Greater than the Chaos that exists beyond the Abyss) God is Absolute (which is greater than either begining or end - having neither in its makeup) |
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CowboyGH
Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 11641 |
QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: I can't believe this thread flipped from argument power over out of context OP. Yeah, the words were as written, but you had the read the whole chapter to get an inkling of the context. Much like Salmon Rushdie book on Islam, "Satanic verses." The Bible has them too if you don't understand what you are reading. My 2 cents worth. Absolutely true. This is where all the supposedly contradicitons come from as well. They read one verse, then go with it and not pay attention to the surrounding verses. Cowboy the contradictions come from the snake. Some people follow the allure of the snake that eats its own tail and so miss the Majestic Wonder that is the Reality that is God. I give you example from your own words. "True, God has no ending. That is why he is the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. There is no before God and will be no after God. " This is the reasoning warned of by the symbol of the Snake that Eats its Own Tail. Following such reasoning leads to a Temporal Loop of endless duration (it has no exit point, nor does it reach to the world beyond the circle contained by the body of the snake. Jesus is the Alpha and Omega within the cycle of man. Alpha of the Cycle of Glory, Omega of the Cycle of Adam. If you place Jesus in the position of God you envoke the Snake. God is outside the cycle. God Is. There is no begining or end to God. God just IS. If you can not understand that concept then you will be trapped forever in the Circle of the Snake. Allways seeking the Forgivness of Christ for the wispering of the Snake in the Garden. Yet all you need do is accept the Grace Given by God through Christ... and step out of the circle. QUOTE: If you place Jesus in the position of God you envoke the Snake. I placed Jesus in no position. He was God before I was even thought of. Matthew 1:23 23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. Isaiah 9:6 6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. John 20:28 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. Emmanuel means LIGHT is with us. If you believe that Jesus was as is God then you indeed listen to the wispering of the Snake. but I have spoken to you many times of the Temporal Loop that you are trapped within... Jesus went unto God. In the Glory of God you will find him. If you look for him where was the snake you will find naught but the snake. Jesus went to his father. From the wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanuel Immanuel (or Emmanuel or Imanu'el, Hebrew עִמָּנוּאֵל meaning "God is with us") is a symbolic name which appears in chapters 7 and 8 of the Book of Isaiah as part of a prophecy assuring king Ahaz of Judah of God's protection against enemy kings; it is quoted in the Gospel of Matthew as a sign verifying the divine status of Jesus. It is a theophoric (a name which contains the name of a god) made up of two Hebrew words, אֵל, ’El, meaning "God", and עִמָּנוּ, ʻImmānū, meaning "with us". God is with us is not Jesus. (rather it springs from the Advent of Jesus) Immanuel (as fortold by Isaiah) is not a man... It is a concept. For God is indeed with us. He walks with us each one. Jesus is the Alpha of the Cycle of Glory and the Omega of the Cycle of Adam. God is eternal and has neither Alpha nor Omega. Infinite has no begining or end... Begining signifies a non infinite start. End signifies a non infinite stop. God by the very nature of God is eternal (infinite) If you place Jesus in the portion of reality that is Gods alone you are blind to any truth outside the Circle of the Snake. You will know neither 'heaven' nor 'hell' both of which are also outside the Circle of the Snake. It is a temporal loop. QUOTE: Immanuel (as fortold by Isaiah) is not a man... It is a concept. For God is indeed with us. He walks with us each one. Evidence of this please? Because after that it speaks of "Jesus/Immanuel" as if he/it was a man. Please give some evidence that it's just a "concept". QUOTE: God is eternal and has neither Alpha nor Omega. Infinite has no begining or end... Begining signifies a non infinite start. End signifies a non infinite stop. God by the very nature of God is eternal (infinite) Absolutely true, God has no beginning nor end. Thus he IS the beginning and the end. There is no before God and there will be no after God. Alpha - The first one; the beginning There was no time before God, he is the beginning of everything. He has no starting point, he's eternal. Always has been and always will be. Omega - the ending or last of a series There is no after God. There will be nothing after God, for there is no after God. Thus he is the end. Infinate - niether begining nor end. God is. There is no begining to IS. "Alpha - The first one; the beginning" Indeed... Adam is the begining of the Cycle of Adam - Christ is the end of that cycle (yet God created it). "Omega - the ending or last of a series" Indeed. The Cycle of Adam ended at the Advent of Christ... Which brought also the Path to Glory for the Human race (yet Glory comes from God which is greater than all the Cycles of Man) Cycles are a thing that mankind is subject to. God is not subject to the word tools mankind uses to explain that which it can not understand. Step away from the Circle of the Snake. God move even beyond the Chaos (for God is Greater than the Abyss and Greater than the Chaos that exists beyond the Abyss) God is Absolute (which is greater than either begining or end - having neither in its makeup) Absolutely, infinite is no beginning nor an end. Just as God. God has no beginning nor any end. Thus he IS the beginning and the end. There is no before God, nor is there an after God. That's not saying God has a beginning or an end. Just that there is no before God, nor is there an after God, thus infinite. |
Jeanniebean
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What seems to be infinite is this thread.
QUOTE: Absolutely, infinite is no beginning nor an end. Just as God. God has no beginning nor any end. Thus he IS the beginning and the end. There is no before God, nor is there an after God. That's not saying God has a beginning or an end. Just that there is no before God, nor is there an after God, thus infinite.
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AdventureBegins
Joined Tue 04/10/07 Posts: 7407 |
QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: I can't believe this thread flipped from argument power over out of context OP. Yeah, the words were as written, but you had the read the whole chapter to get an inkling of the context. Much like Salmon Rushdie book on Islam, "Satanic verses." The Bible has them too if you don't understand what you are reading. My 2 cents worth. Absolutely true. This is where all the supposedly contradicitons come from as well. They read one verse, then go with it and not pay attention to the surrounding verses. Cowboy the contradictions come from the snake. Some people follow the allure of the snake that eats its own tail and so miss the Majestic Wonder that is the Reality that is God. I give you example from your own words. "True, God has no ending. That is why he is the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. There is no before God and will be no after God. " This is the reasoning warned of by the symbol of the Snake that Eats its Own Tail. Following such reasoning leads to a Temporal Loop of endless duration (it has no exit point, nor does it reach to the world beyond the circle contained by the body of the snake. Jesus is the Alpha and Omega within the cycle of man. Alpha of the Cycle of Glory, Omega of the Cycle of Adam. If you place Jesus in the position of God you envoke the Snake. God is outside the cycle. God Is. There is no begining or end to God. God just IS. If you can not understand that concept then you will be trapped forever in the Circle of the Snake. Allways seeking the Forgivness of Christ for the wispering of the Snake in the Garden. Yet all you need do is accept the Grace Given by God through Christ... and step out of the circle. QUOTE: If you place Jesus in the position of God you envoke the Snake. I placed Jesus in no position. He was God before I was even thought of. Matthew 1:23 23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. Isaiah 9:6 6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. John 20:28 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. Emmanuel means LIGHT is with us. If you believe that Jesus was as is God then you indeed listen to the wispering of the Snake. but I have spoken to you many times of the Temporal Loop that you are trapped within... Jesus went unto God. In the Glory of God you will find him. If you look for him where was the snake you will find naught but the snake. Jesus went to his father. From the wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanuel Immanuel (or Emmanuel or Imanu'el, Hebrew עִמָּנוּאֵל meaning "God is with us") is a symbolic name which appears in chapters 7 and 8 of the Book of Isaiah as part of a prophecy assuring king Ahaz of Judah of God's protection against enemy kings; it is quoted in the Gospel of Matthew as a sign verifying the divine status of Jesus. It is a theophoric (a name which contains the name of a god) made up of two Hebrew words, אֵל, ’El, meaning "God", and עִמָּנוּ, ʻImmānū, meaning "with us". God is with us is not Jesus. (rather it springs from the Advent of Jesus) Immanuel (as fortold by Isaiah) is not a man... It is a concept. For God is indeed with us. He walks with us each one. Jesus is the Alpha of the Cycle of Glory and the Omega of the Cycle of Adam. God is eternal and has neither Alpha nor Omega. Infinite has no begining or end... Begining signifies a non infinite start. End signifies a non infinite stop. God by the very nature of God is eternal (infinite) If you place Jesus in the portion of reality that is Gods alone you are blind to any truth outside the Circle of the Snake. You will know neither 'heaven' nor 'hell' both of which are also outside the Circle of the Snake. It is a temporal loop. QUOTE: Immanuel (as fortold by Isaiah) is not a man... It is a concept. For God is indeed with us. He walks with us each one. Evidence of this please? Because after that it speaks of "Jesus/Immanuel" as if he/it was a man. Please give some evidence that it's just a "concept". QUOTE: God is eternal and has neither Alpha nor Omega. Infinite has no begining or end... Begining signifies a non infinite start. End signifies a non infinite stop. God by the very nature of God is eternal (infinite) Absolutely true, God has no beginning nor end. Thus he IS the beginning and the end. There is no before God and there will be no after God. Alpha - The first one; the beginning There was no time before God, he is the beginning of everything. He has no starting point, he's eternal. Always has been and always will be. Omega - the ending or last of a series There is no after God. There will be nothing after God, for there is no after God. Thus he is the end. Infinate - niether begining nor end. God is. There is no begining to IS. "Alpha - The first one; the beginning" Indeed... Adam is the begining of the Cycle of Adam - Christ is the end of that cycle (yet God created it). "Omega - the ending or last of a series" Indeed. The Cycle of Adam ended at the Advent of Christ... Which brought also the Path to Glory for the Human race (yet Glory comes from God which is greater than all the Cycles of Man) Cycles are a thing that mankind is subject to. God is not subject to the word tools mankind uses to explain that which it can not understand. Step away from the Circle of the Snake. God move even beyond the Chaos (for God is Greater than the Abyss and Greater than the Chaos that exists beyond the Abyss) God is Absolute (which is greater than either begining or end - having neither in its makeup) Absolutely, infinite is no beginning nor an end. Just as God. God has no beginning nor any end. Thus he IS the beginning and the end. There is no before God, nor is there an after God. That's not saying God has a beginning or an end. Just that there is no before God, nor is there an after God, thus infinite. If you agree then why do you claim Jesus is God? Jesus (in his own words) is both begining and end... Yet God is has no begining or end. |
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CowboyGH
Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 11641 |
QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: I can't believe this thread flipped from argument power over out of context OP. Yeah, the words were as written, but you had the read the whole chapter to get an inkling of the context. Much like Salmon Rushdie book on Islam, "Satanic verses." The Bible has them too if you don't understand what you are reading. My 2 cents worth. Absolutely true. This is where all the supposedly contradicitons come from as well. They read one verse, then go with it and not pay attention to the surrounding verses. Cowboy the contradictions come from the snake. Some people follow the allure of the snake that eats its own tail and so miss the Majestic Wonder that is the Reality that is God. I give you example from your own words. "True, God has no ending. That is why he is the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. There is no before God and will be no after God. " This is the reasoning warned of by the symbol of the Snake that Eats its Own Tail. Following such reasoning leads to a Temporal Loop of endless duration (it has no exit point, nor does it reach to the world beyond the circle contained by the body of the snake. Jesus is the Alpha and Omega within the cycle of man. Alpha of the Cycle of Glory, Omega of the Cycle of Adam. If you place Jesus in the position of God you envoke the Snake. God is outside the cycle. God Is. There is no begining or end to God. God just IS. If you can not understand that concept then you will be trapped forever in the Circle of the Snake. Allways seeking the Forgivness of Christ for the wispering of the Snake in the Garden. Yet all you need do is accept the Grace Given by God through Christ... and step out of the circle. QUOTE: If you place Jesus in the position of God you envoke the Snake. I placed Jesus in no position. He was God before I was even thought of. Matthew 1:23 23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. Isaiah 9:6 6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. John 20:28 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. Emmanuel means LIGHT is with us. If you believe that Jesus was as is God then you indeed listen to the wispering of the Snake. but I have spoken to you many times of the Temporal Loop that you are trapped within... Jesus went unto God. In the Glory of God you will find him. If you look for him where was the snake you will find naught but the snake. Jesus went to his father. From the wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanuel Immanuel (or Emmanuel or Imanu'el, Hebrew עִמָּנוּאֵל meaning "God is with us") is a symbolic name which appears in chapters 7 and 8 of the Book of Isaiah as part of a prophecy assuring king Ahaz of Judah of God's protection against enemy kings; it is quoted in the Gospel of Matthew as a sign verifying the divine status of Jesus. It is a theophoric (a name which contains the name of a god) made up of two Hebrew words, אֵל, ’El, meaning "God", and עִמָּנוּ, ʻImmānū, meaning "with us". God is with us is not Jesus. (rather it springs from the Advent of Jesus) Immanuel (as fortold by Isaiah) is not a man... It is a concept. For God is indeed with us. He walks with us each one. Jesus is the Alpha of the Cycle of Glory and the Omega of the Cycle of Adam. God is eternal and has neither Alpha nor Omega. Infinite has no begining or end... Begining signifies a non infinite start. End signifies a non infinite stop. God by the very nature of God is eternal (infinite) If you place Jesus in the portion of reality that is Gods alone you are blind to any truth outside the Circle of the Snake. You will know neither 'heaven' nor 'hell' both of which are also outside the Circle of the Snake. It is a temporal loop. QUOTE: Immanuel (as fortold by Isaiah) is not a man... It is a concept. For God is indeed with us. He walks with us each one. Evidence of this please? Because after that it speaks of "Jesus/Immanuel" as if he/it was a man. Please give some evidence that it's just a "concept". QUOTE: God is eternal and has neither Alpha nor Omega. Infinite has no begining or end... Begining signifies a non infinite start. End signifies a non infinite stop. God by the very nature of God is eternal (infinite) Absolutely true, God has no beginning nor end. Thus he IS the beginning and the end. There is no before God and there will be no after God. Alpha - The first one; the beginning There was no time before God, he is the beginning of everything. He has no starting point, he's eternal. Always has been and always will be. Omega - the ending or last of a series There is no after God. There will be nothing after God, for there is no after God. Thus he is the end. Infinate - niether begining nor end. God is. There is no begining to IS. "Alpha - The first one; the beginning" Indeed... Adam is the begining of the Cycle of Adam - Christ is the end of that cycle (yet God created it). "Omega - the ending or last of a series" Indeed. The Cycle of Adam ended at the Advent of Christ... Which brought also the Path to Glory for the Human race (yet Glory comes from God which is greater than all the Cycles of Man) Cycles are a thing that mankind is subject to. God is not subject to the word tools mankind uses to explain that which it can not understand. Step away from the Circle of the Snake. God move even beyond the Chaos (for God is Greater than the Abyss and Greater than the Chaos that exists beyond the Abyss) God is Absolute (which is greater than either begining or end - having neither in its makeup) Absolutely, infinite is no beginning nor an end. Just as God. God has no beginning nor any end. Thus he IS the beginning and the end. There is no before God, nor is there an after God. That's not saying God has a beginning or an end. Just that there is no before God, nor is there an after God, thus infinite. If you agree then why do you claim Jesus is God? Jesus (in his own words) is both begining and end... Yet God is has no begining or end. Jesus has no beginning or end, well the Word has no beginning and no end. And Jesus is the Word in the flesh, in the form of a servant. John 1:1 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:14 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. God has always been, there is no time before God. Thus he is the beginning and the end. Because there is no before and no after. That statement does not mean he has an origin point, just means there was nothing before God because there was no before God. |
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AdventureBegins
Joined Tue 04/10/07 Posts: 7407 |
QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: I can't believe this thread flipped from argument power over out of context OP. Yeah, the words were as written, but you had the read the whole chapter to get an inkling of the context. Much like Salmon Rushdie book on Islam, "Satanic verses." The Bible has them too if you don't understand what you are reading. My 2 cents worth. Absolutely true. This is where all the supposedly contradicitons come from as well. They read one verse, then go with it and not pay attention to the surrounding verses. Cowboy the contradictions come from the snake. Some people follow the allure of the snake that eats its own tail and so miss the Majestic Wonder that is the Reality that is God. I give you example from your own words. "True, God has no ending. That is why he is the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. There is no before God and will be no after God. " This is the reasoning warned of by the symbol of the Snake that Eats its Own Tail. Following such reasoning leads to a Temporal Loop of endless duration (it has no exit point, nor does it reach to the world beyond the circle contained by the body of the snake. Jesus is the Alpha and Omega within the cycle of man. Alpha of the Cycle of Glory, Omega of the Cycle of Adam. If you place Jesus in the position of God you envoke the Snake. God is outside the cycle. God Is. There is no begining or end to God. God just IS. If you can not understand that concept then you will be trapped forever in the Circle of the Snake. Allways seeking the Forgivness of Christ for the wispering of the Snake in the Garden. Yet all you need do is accept the Grace Given by God through Christ... and step out of the circle. QUOTE: If you place Jesus in the position of God you envoke the Snake. I placed Jesus in no position. He was God before I was even thought of. Matthew 1:23 23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. Isaiah 9:6 6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. John 20:28 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. Emmanuel means LIGHT is with us. If you believe that Jesus was as is God then you indeed listen to the wispering of the Snake. but I have spoken to you many times of the Temporal Loop that you are trapped within... Jesus went unto God. In the Glory of God you will find him. If you look for him where was the snake you will find naught but the snake. Jesus went to his father. From the wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanuel Immanuel (or Emmanuel or Imanu'el, Hebrew עִמָּנוּאֵל meaning "God is with us") is a symbolic name which appears in chapters 7 and 8 of the Book of Isaiah as part of a prophecy assuring king Ahaz of Judah of God's protection against enemy kings; it is quoted in the Gospel of Matthew as a sign verifying the divine status of Jesus. It is a theophoric (a name which contains the name of a god) made up of two Hebrew words, אֵל, ’El, meaning "God", and עִמָּנוּ, ʻImmānū, meaning "with us". God is with us is not Jesus. (rather it springs from the Advent of Jesus) Immanuel (as fortold by Isaiah) is not a man... It is a concept. For God is indeed with us. He walks with us each one. Jesus is the Alpha of the Cycle of Glory and the Omega of the Cycle of Adam. God is eternal and has neither Alpha nor Omega. Infinite has no begining or end... Begining signifies a non infinite start. End signifies a non infinite stop. God by the very nature of God is eternal (infinite) If you place Jesus in the portion of reality that is Gods alone you are blind to any truth outside the Circle of the Snake. You will know neither 'heaven' nor 'hell' both of which are also outside the Circle of the Snake. It is a temporal loop. QUOTE: Immanuel (as fortold by Isaiah) is not a man... It is a concept. For God is indeed with us. He walks with us each one. Evidence of this please? Because after that it speaks of "Jesus/Immanuel" as if he/it was a man. Please give some evidence that it's just a "concept". QUOTE: God is eternal and has neither Alpha nor Omega. Infinite has no begining or end... Begining signifies a non infinite start. End signifies a non infinite stop. God by the very nature of God is eternal (infinite) Absolutely true, God has no beginning nor end. Thus he IS the beginning and the end. There is no before God and there will be no after God. Alpha - The first one; the beginning There was no time before God, he is the beginning of everything. He has no starting point, he's eternal. Always has been and always will be. Omega - the ending or last of a series There is no after God. There will be nothing after God, for there is no after God. Thus he is the end. Infinate - niether begining nor end. God is. There is no begining to IS. "Alpha - The first one; the beginning" Indeed... Adam is the begining of the Cycle of Adam - Christ is the end of that cycle (yet God created it). "Omega - the ending or last of a series" Indeed. The Cycle of Adam ended at the Advent of Christ... Which brought also the Path to Glory for the Human race (yet Glory comes from God which is greater than all the Cycles of Man) Cycles are a thing that mankind is subject to. God is not subject to the word tools mankind uses to explain that which it can not understand. Step away from the Circle of the Snake. God move even beyond the Chaos (for God is Greater than the Abyss and Greater than the Chaos that exists beyond the Abyss) God is Absolute (which is greater than either begining or end - having neither in its makeup) Absolutely, infinite is no beginning nor an end. Just as God. God has no beginning nor any end. Thus he IS the beginning and the end. There is no before God, nor is there an after God. That's not saying God has a beginning or an end. Just that there is no before God, nor is there an after God, thus infinite. If you agree then why do you claim Jesus is God? Jesus (in his own words) is both begining and end... Yet God is has no begining or end. Jesus has no beginning or end, well the Word has no beginning and no end. And Jesus is the Word in the flesh, in the form of a servant. John 1:1 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:14 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. God has always been, there is no time before God. Thus he is the beginning and the end. Because there is no before and no after. That statement does not mean he has an origin point, just means there was nothing before God because there was no before God. You quoted " In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." You read the words but understanding escapes you (the Circle of the Snake - the temporal loop blinds you)... For though the Word is God... God is NOT the Word. God is greater than all things man. Word is a form of Man. Image of... But Not God. |