*many pardons folks, my phone s***s, or maybe I have not mastered it, anyway pardon the double posts.

Think it won't happen here?
This is exactly what Shabazz, Al, Eugene and any other extremists associated with the Black Nationalists will revel in.
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Genocide looms for white farmers
South Africa's black president sings killing songs as thousands massacred


By Alex Newman

STOCKHOLM, Sweden – The eyes of the world were on South Africa two decades ago as the apartheid era came to an end and Western governments helped bring the communist-backed African National Congress to power.

Last month, however, when Genocide Watch chief Gregory Stanton declared that white South African farmers were facing a genocidal onslaught and that communist forces were taking over the nation, virtually nobody noticed.

Few outside of South Africa paid attention either when, earlier this year, the president of South Africa began publicly singing songs advocating the murder of whites.

The silence is so deafening that Secretary of State Hillary Clinton didn’t even publicly mention the problems when she was there last week. Instead, she was busy dancing, pledging billions of dollars and praising the ruling government.

“I find that quite disturbing, as if Afrikaner lives do not count for the Obama administration,” Dan Roodt of the Pro-Afrikaans Action Group, PRAAG, told WND.

He says the situation is rapidly deteriorating.

Genocide Watch, a highly respected U.S.-based nonprofit organization led by arguably the world’s foremost expert on genocide, has been sounding the alarm on the genocidal onslaught facing South Africa for a decade. The world media, however, has barely uttered a word about it.

Over those 10 years, thousands of white South African farmers, known as Boers, have been massacred in the most horrific ways imaginable.

we have always picked and chose which other countries to 'rescue' from atrocity

there are far too many for us to get to them all

at least that was what took so long to end APARTHEID When it was happening,,,,seems just as relevant a 'reason' now,,,,

WACO Texas and the Branch Dividians don't count huh? How about Ruby ridge?

waco Texas, Branch Dividians were undercover white seperatists movements that were no differant from present day White militia, white seperatist, and white supremists, all who call to violently overthrow the US goverment and establish a sovereign white nation while calling for race war. Ruby ridge was the COINTELPROS campaign to crush activists movements including native Americans groups still attempting to regain curtain lands. How you confuse the above with the deliberate targeting of Black towns or the state sponsored terrorism towards Black economic independence is beyound logic nor common sence. Tulsa Oaklahoma was santioned by then President Harding, who bombed the entire Black section of a city where Blacks created a model of Black economic independence, how you equate that with the Davidians, and Waco is mere racism at its core. The people in Tulsa Oaklahoma were building a town so prosperous it was called the " negro wall st." It was leveled along the same premise of the many towns, businesses, farms, schools and people burned and destroyed. What person of intellect can possibly compare the destruction of Black prosperity with the assault on Waco, and the Davidian compound? They openly called for the goverments demise through violence, the same that are doing it today such as National Christian Front, National white Alliance, Skinhead Nation, Hammerskin Nation, Knights of the KKK, League of the South, Council of Conservative Citizens, American Nazi Party,, Southern Cross, Sonnenkinder Kindred, National Socialist Movement, Imperial Klans of America, National Socialist Movement, Rangerskin Nation, along with over 1000 groups that preach hate and death to non whites, this is only ignored by racists. To compare these groups with unarmed groups who had no defence to protect their life, property or family is a sure sign of mental brainrot. This is not 150 years ago, white racists are alive and well in America, to deflect this fact by focusing on other countries is a mere desire for these groups to prosper further, these are not a rap group called NWA, these are mindless racists calling for my countries fall, your silence towards them speaks volumes.

There is no such thing as white owned land in South Africa, white British people stole that land after winning the "Bore Wars" against the Dutch who first stole it from Black Africans, common sence and a little historical facts would have helped you greatly, however, your lack of knowledge regarding the actual history of the region, negates and regulates your post to fiction. Whites have never legally owned land outside of Europe, reminds me of the $24 dollars in trinkets paid for Manhattan, a myth.

Separatists are NOT Supremacists no mater how you want to tear it! They were religious fundamentalists. NOT RELIGIOUS FANATICS! They may have been very zealous and cultish but rolling a FLAME THROWING TANK ON THEM???


Now bear in mind I personally am not affiliated WITH ANY GROUP and even the wacky ones have a right to exist no matter how stupid they are as long as they are not hurting anyone. Now arresting David Koresh was the right thing to do because his religion was violating the laws pertaining to sexual congress with teen agers and marriage law. But what happened there was unconscionable. The FBI got what it deserved violating common sense and civility. They could have grabbed David Koresh off the streets of Waco jogging but they chose to arrest him at his compound. Now about white racists in America, You dare to tell me of the mote in my eye while you refuse to see the log in yours? SHAME ON YOU! I have cited the names of BLACK SUPREMEST GROUPS and you seem to refuse to acknowledge the fact that no matter what numerical superiority you still seem to paint this problem as a white only thing and by all rights I really am beginning to wonder if the moderators cannot see this is an attack on white people under the guise of CIVILITY! You my friend come off to me as one of these Black Rights crusaders who is in the wrong era!

Again how can YOUR argument unify us against this stupidity? I have told white supremacists to their faces what I feel about them too. They are an embarrassment to the rest of us "WHITE FOLK" (cough cough) who just want to live a better life not fearing every god damn thing under the sun. I have been called a Jew by some of these numb skulls and I have to remind them they have the wrong Italian! Likewise I have had to face some confrontational "BLACK FOLK" and remind their dumb azzes that not all us "WHITE FOLK" are NOT "LILLY WHITE!" Part of my heritage is most certainly North African as well somewhere down the line thanks to my Roman heritage! I am a MUTT! I am not some pure bred. And neither are about 75% of Black America when they refuse to admit that there is potentially white somewhere in their blood as well. A good friend of mine from years ago was as white on me on outside appearance. His PARENTS WERE BOTH BLACK! We are talking about him surprising the hell out of his parents when he popped out. After testing revealed he really was theres they hired a genealogist and found out there was indeed white on both sides of the family tree and thanks to Mendelian Law he was born white to a black family. His life was utter hell when he was younger. So with this aside are you ready to give up this whole "Us vs. Them" style argument and belief and at least agree this is an "All of us irrespective of color issue" or are you just going to continue crusading against whites behind this thinly veiled argument of past actions and failures of OUR culture as being exclusively a white issue?

You are basically telling me that all the years of stupidity America went through preached throughout my education is about how it is just the white man who is making the black man's life a living hell. Again can you not see that the oppressed have a bad habit of becoming the oppressor? South Africa, how is it right, or acceptable for WHITE FARMERS TO BE MURDERED BY BLACKS? Are you going to justify their actions as "the whitey had it coming?" Are you REALLY AND HONESTLY THAT SHALLOW????


Here is a thought, your ancestors were migrants to this nation much like mine were! My relatives had no part of the genocide of the Indians. We had no part in Black slavery. How does that in any way entitle anyone to reparations from me? What do I owe them? If the only people with a cultural right to stay here are Indians (Who migrated here at one time too) then that means what gives YOU any more right to be here than I?

I am trying to toss water on a simmering embers while you toss gasoline on them!

You cannot face a problem like this from one side of the color fence! Your argument builds the fence I am trying to knock down. ALL racism must be dealt with equally. You want a witch hunt against white supremacists? Then I DEMAND ONE AGAINST ISLAM AND BLACK SUPREMACISTS! THEN WE GO AFTER THE ASIAN SUPREMACISTS, THEN THE HISPANIC ONES AND SO ON AND SO ON AND SO ON! And this is a solution to the problem? I don't see it that way. I see it as an inflammation to the problem.

Discrediting these groups before their very own communities is one good way of ending this. Punishing them when they do step out of line is likewise a must. I mean come down on them twice as hard! Getting rid of this entitlement belief system would help. Your own past arguments in this topic have indicated you strongly believe America owes blacks reparations still. You dare used a rape as an example of your argument. Dude, the rape you mentioned occurred by the hand of our great great great great great grandfathers! YOU LEGALLY CANNOT HOLD A PAST CRIME LIKE THAT ON THE HEADS OF THE DESCENDANTS! Even MORALLY that is questionable. You need to get over yourself! The time of Reparations is long over!

All that education you claim and you cannot see that your arguments are fallacious and riddled with moral and legal holes so large I could drop cars down them???


Yes Racism and bigotry need to be faced and not forgotten but to wave what happened in the past in our faces like it goes on today? The last time i have heard of a real Southern Style lynching happened in Texas in the 1980s and the responsible whites all got LIFE SENTENCES FOR MURDER! Oh but stuff like the Jenna Six are just Misunderstood youths? I could list a host of racial crimes done BY BLACKS on other races but would that even matter to you? Do you have any clue why I used to call blacks "WEBEES?" When I was growing up in Inglewood I would get confronted CONSTANTLY by at least four to six black teenagers and bear in mind I was six years old when this crap started going down, this is what I heard from them a lot, "We be gonna go and burn your house down honkey!" and "We be gonna get our cousins and kick in your door and snatch up all your shiyt." I could tell you more about some of the stuff I personally had to live with but what would it matter to you? Evidently I am white so racial discrimination aimed at me doesn't count?


HATE IS HATE NO MATTER WHAT COLOR IT IS! I am not backing down. You promote the ideals I am strongly against! Stop thinking blacks are entitled to anything more than ANY OTHER PERSON IN AMERICA IS! Instead of trying to point the finger at Whites why not point it at our leadership who fails us? YOU probably will not because there are BLACK PEOPLE IN OUR GOVERNMENT WHO ARE JUST AS MUCH A PART OF THE PROBLEM AS THE WHITES YOU SEEM TO SO LIBERALLY BLAME FOR EVERYTHING!

ANDYBGOOD, first let me remind you that you made the "thats why I hate those NWAs," which clearly suggests your racist position. Secondly, since when did slaves become "migrants"?, a perfect example of misseducation. Finally, what unity are you refering to? There can never be unity without atonement. Never happen. Also you seem to allow emotions to cloud reason and judgment, I clearly said that their is no way to compare the total destruction of Black developement, and expect that there be no remnants of past abuses. Post traumatic slave era is the direct condition to our present state of race relations. How have you confused or compared the David Koresh and Waco with the destruction of Black developement, that affect people today? As for 75% Blacks having white, whats your point? Interacial rape was common among Slaveholders upon young boys and girls. WHAT DID YOU THINK,? LOVE IS WHAT CREATED THAT 75% biracial population? Are you thinking rationally?struction. THERE WILL NEVER BE A UNITY AMONG THE RACES, NEVER, NOT BECAUSE I NOR ANYONE OPPOSES, but because our very foundation is of deciet, death, and destruction, and before you judge someone as racist, id suggest you refrain the use of NWA, as it directly relects your true sentiments hiding behind an obviouse racist premise of rational. At the end of the day, the bed of racism was not created by Black folk, but now, nobody wants to sleep in the very byproduct that defines our nation, we have no reason to love, admire, nor respect Whites who continue to promote racism by now claiming others are now the supremists. Mexicans dont want superiority, Blacks want equallity, Asians want opportunity, but ONLY WHITES FEAR LOSEING THE FALSE SENCE OF PRIVILIGE, HENCE THE SUPREMISTS REMAIN WHITES AS ITS THEIR FEAR OF LOSING POWER THAT MOTIVATES THAT SUPREMIST MENTALITY.

By the way Andybgood, my ancestors were not migrants like yours, mine were profitable cartal.

And can you please show me the exact NWA quote you are referring too? Second of all so what your ancestors were dragged here as a profitable cartel. Part of the whole Illegal Immigrant issue is that people from other countries allow themselves to be used and exploited in the hopes of escaping a toilet nation or they are here to commit more criminal activity! That is off topic. First of all BLACK MEN CAPTURED OTHER BLACKS AND SOLD THEM TO US! Second, look at the place of your (YOUR HA HA) Heritage and tell me you would have been better off being born there? You have damn near everything handed to you or at least were given a chance to achieve that in other countries would prove to be next to impossible. You live her and piss in the very house you live in!

You are so snow blind to your own prejudice and hate that you actually promote it from your side of the fence! Again how is YOUR Ancestor fraught with any more exploitation that of Chinese, Italian, and Irish migrants? You are aware that a Lot of Irish Immigrants were loaded on to ships by Irish LANDOWNERS trying to thin down their population and many of these Irish immigrants were SENT HERE AGAINST THEIR WILL TOO! So you are fallaciously tooting your own horn yet again! Again you color facts to SUIT YOUR ARGUMENT! You live in the excess of what others before you had to suffer and lose for you to gain! But instead of honoring the spirit of Equality you want to redefine it!



REALLY? I AM PROMOTING WHITE SUPREMACY???? Fallacious again! And likewise here is that same tired statement used over and over and over again by self empowered black liberals. If I didn't know any better your constant references to rape is also a fallacy in that you are attempting to appeal to the masses especially the women!

Post traumatic Slave Era.... DUDE, I SUFFERED FROM PTSD! That takes some pretty HUGE testicles to go there! This sounds like a justification for Black Rage!

Again you spend a lot of time trying to construct a weak argument based on tainted facts and colored information (no pun intended this time). You CLEARLY only wish to view history through your straw. My own GRANDMOTHER TOLD ME WHAT IT WAS LIKE TO BE CHAINED TO A SEWING MACHINE, WORKED FOR 14 HOURS, DENIED WEEKS OF PAY AT A TIME, AND FEELING LUCKY SHE GOT SICK AND MISSED WORK BEFORE THE PLACE BURNED DOWN! Some of those women were raped and beaten too! SO WHAT? YOUR GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT GRANDMOTHER WAS BEING USED LIKE PROPERTY?

Sorry but what bothers me is the attitude people like you have! Like I said, how can your beliefs unify us? At least I keep saying the problem is all of ours, and not just yours! YOU ARE THE ONE CONSISTENTLY DRAWING COLOR LINES HERE!

You want me to atone for what? Crimes I have had NOTHING TO DO WITH? Atone for policies people like you shove down our throats and make people like ME suffer? How about you look in a mirror and honestly answer yourself what has America really done to you that has not been done to everyone else like a "WHITEY" like me?

America is not just made up of White people and boy you don't want me to unleash names of CORRUPT BLACK PUBLIC OFFICIALS BECAUSE THAT LIST WOULD BE LONG! Again how does YOUR attitude help promote an end to the racism and bigotry affecting our nation? At least I can admit I did harbor deep seated racist beliefs because I was being hammered on by blacks expressing their parents Black Rage! It was a long hard road to get past my own issues. I have friends from a host of nations and races. But you would never believe me IF I HAD THEM ALL STANDING BESIDES ME FOR A HUGE PHOTO-OP!!!! One of my best friends is black and for one he is NOT American and he also finds the attitudes of most black Americans an enigma!

I am not afraid of loosing power I never had in the first place! I fear what the people who get power will do with it. And it is pretty clear blacks abuse power just as much as whites. I am sorry but I still oppose your us vs. them belief and mantras of how bad America was "JUST TO BLACKS.' You go from the genocide of the American Indians right to Blacks and ignore the rest.

I have seen the patterns of what your belief system brings. It just promotes more oppression, more hate, and more fear!

Likewise I suppose you are going to trivialize the contributions of whites towards the end of Slavery of Blacks in America like this? You are going to overlook the sacrifices made by conscientious whites in the North and SOUTH BEFORE THE CIVIL WAR??????? EVEN WHITE PEOPLE WERE EXECUTED AND LYNCHED FOR HELPING FREE SLAVES!!!!


I see a much bigger picture than you my friend. I really hope I can open your eyes. Again you dare to speak of the mote in my eye when you have a log in yours? Come on...


And again your argument there will never be harmony among races... I get along with every one else as long as they get along with me or at least don't try to hurt me. Your statement is hugely fallacious! When you allow people to believe they are Afro American before just being American you promote the Supremest ideal! If a person from Pakistan is naturalized they are an American, Not a Pakistani American. Again Jessie Jackson came up with that term and it has become a bane to the Black man! Jessie Jackson made a career out of hatred behind the pulpit. And you dare come here and sound exactly like him and other noteworthy aristocrats who live perpetually in the victim place?

America still owes the black man reparations indeed!!! What makes you think for a second you are any better than me or anyone else of any color if we are so equal???? So far all I have seen you do is try to justify how bad America is to JUST BLACK MEN... If this country is so bad why are you still here?

respectfully, it matters not the label,, before 'african american', plenty of 'americans' referred to us by other names

african american is probably one of the more civil labels, but it wasnt Jesse Jackson or any other black american that came up with the concept of race or used the racial labels to create sublcasses,,,

But isn't being considered an American and respected as an American what the point of Equality is? We keep coming up with all this racial crap, Afro American, Caucasian (which I am NOT THANK YOU), and all the others on an application sort of redundant in the real scope of things? If I take ten black people and seven of them call themselves American and the other three call themselves Afro Americans doesn't that alone create a schism between the group? And you think my fore fathers didn't have to put up with their share of racial epitaphs? Gunnies, Patties, degos, greasers, whopps, and spics were some of the choice names my ancestors were called. And the Chinese were called Chinks, and yellow pigs, and of course Native Americans had their share of racial epitaphs. Your point being? Likewise I have been called Honkey and Wonderbread to my face. Again so what? Discrimination is exclusive against blacks?

How can we end discrimination when we keep employing it against each other and by law in the name of Equality?

Tell me how to end this divide if you are so wise and all seeing? We just keep punishing whites for bad racial behavior and ignore the stupidity and ignorance of the black community in the mean time? Supremest groups discredit themselves. But to empower Black supremacy in the name of reparations and equality? That is counter productive. Where is all this "fair, balanced, and equal" crap I have been preached at in school? In some text book or is it supposed to be a part of HERE AND NOW AMERICA?

So what is life in the shadow of your great grand father's suffering like? Do you let go and move ahead or just keep repeating the patterns of the past because it is safe and comfortable? I really am starting to wonder if a lot of the argument I am facing is black people afraid of being equal to whites! I feel like some of these arguments lend to the belief that there will only be peace with the black community when Whites have to say "Thank you Mistuh," under the foot of Black superiority.

Unfortunately for a lot of these arguments I have had bosses that were black and to me a good boss is not about color but leadership! I don't care who I work for as long as I am given some respect! So how will I be painted as a racist now? because I disagree with this whole "Poor little me because MY ANCESTORS were oppressed by some cruel white men?" Another historical fact! ALL THE SLAVES IN AMERICA WERE CAPTURED BY THEIR FELLOW BLACK MAN AND SOLD TO US AS PROPERTY! THIS MEANS THAT YOUR PERCEIVED SUFFERING STARTED AT THE HANDS OF BLACK MEN IN AFRICA! NOT RICH WHITE PEOPLE IN AMERICA!!!

SOME OF YOU FOLKS NEED TO UNDERSTAND THESE WORDS VERY CAREFULLY. IF YOU THINK YOU ARE OWED ANY REPARATIONS GET THEM FROM AFRICA FROM THE FOLKS WHO ENSLAVED YOUR RELATIVES IN THE FIRST PLACE. WE PAID YOUR OWN ENOUGH! WE DIDN'T MAKE BLACK MAN SLAVES, WE JUST BOUGHT THEM! Or is this fact too much for some to grasp?


I admit we need to work on perfecting equality and the protection of it but overcompensation and 'knee jerk feels good politics' will solve nothing! Quit making this whole problem out to be a white thing. It isn't!

what is the issue with TRUTH,,, ?

yes, ideally we are all human and it doesnt matter on an individual level what the skin color is

but REALISTICALLY and HISTORICALLY, we have been treated differently, oppressed, restricted, dehumanized because of what color the skin was, or what gender one was

in AMERICA, we have had people,, all called 'americans' now, but because of HISTORICAL TREATMENT In america , finding themself having a very disparate experience than other 'americans'

in educational attainment, in incarceration, in housing, in healthcare, in wealth

and all this STEMS from the HISTORY which did institutionally and legally create and maintain a 'less than an american' status for groups of people for HUNDREDS of year based upon their skin

now their descendants also are, as a group, finding that the longterm affect of that history is still in need of aknowledgment and correction

and yes, there are some attempts at correcting it that have happened, but not enough because people are so hesitant to even admit that racial disparity exists or that it is a reault of the AMERICAN GOVERNMENTS historical policies and laws which created it,,,


its not a 'white' thing, but it is an AMERICAN GOVERNMENT thing in which the government was set up for EUROPEANS and not AFRICANS, and the government was (for a MAJORITY of americas history) set up to maintain that disparity based in RACE

europeans discriminated against europeans when those boundaries were clear, but that history in the US, redefined the boundaries in a way where they could all become 'european' much more quickly than an African was able to become 'american'


there are some that attack 'whites', and they literally are referring to 'white people', but the discussion should really be about the country settled by EUROPEANS for EUROPEANS, the government of AMERICA is the underlying metaphor when I have this discusson about 'whites' in america,,,its not a literal reference to every and any white person

but that government has , from its history, prepared a much more stable foundation of opportunity for europeans and their descendants than it has for the descendants of Africans

thats a statement about AMERICAN history, not about billions of people in the white race


when we can focus on whats happened in AMERICA and how its effects are felt today, maybe we can come up with real solutions, and evolve past the simplistic 'white v black' discussion

a good person can be any race as can a scoundrel, that individual reality has never really been the point of civil rights or the discourse about racial disparity in America

I know it's true, but trust me, you may want to rethink mentioning that!

The problem with the truth is when it is waved in people's faces like a penis especially when only part of the truth is being presented! The problem with truth is when people use flawed arguments and poor or disambiguated logic to decide the truth.

Likewise when the REAL DEEPER truths of an issue arise that people selectively blind themselves to them. Slavery for instance is one of them. America did not go to Africa to CAPTURE SLAVES! WE BOUGHT THEM LIKE SO MANY SOUTH AMERICAN PLANTATIONS DID. Note I did not say Southern America. It was global economics of the day. Note again GLOBAL BUSINESS! The East India Trading Company is one of England's most evil of companies because even though England had banned slavery from ENGLAND before we banned slavery they TRANSPORTED A LOT OF SLAVES! The real evil here is GLOBAL BUSINESS without regulation or laws to protect us from them.

Slavery goes on in other parts of the world to this day and even among Americans. People piss blood about tossing out illegal immigrants but the people screaming the loudest are the elite wealthy who need cheap labor they can take advantage of! From manufacture to house keeping. And yet again there is a substantial percentage of Illegal Aliens who are career criminals!

You see one thing that is a real problem in America is all this subjective interpretation of laws and selective enforcement. If we had a lot less of both a lot of issues in this nation would almost solve themselves. When six black kids gang up on a white or Hispanic or Asian kid they deserve to be smacked with hate crime charges like any White group or Asian group or Hispanic group.

Here is a little reality in the work place. More often than not when a black looses a job from acting like some Ghetto TRASH, performing badly, or being constantly belligerent towards others the first thing they do is find some black activist reverend, the NAACP, the ACLU, the media and scream how they are being racially discriminated on even if the proof is there THEY SCREWED UP! And worst is they more often than not lawyer up. I know a black owned business something like this happened because the manager who fired the looser was Latino. There was an assumption of RACE being part of the issue. Imagine the look on the attorney's face when he learned the man who ordered the firing of the person in Question was as black as the man who was fired... This goes on way too often! the first thing most blacks who get in trouble cry foul on is they are being racially profiled even when caught red handed. Coming from a white man these words must seem racist! Would it be more comforting if they came from a black man?

Now who do you think I would be inclined to listen to? Take a group of five black people. One is a successful Comedian, one is a successful female business owner, one is a pool cleaner, one is a full time mother of three, and the other is a hard core (I want to make a racial reference but I will refrain) welfare warrior. Now if the mother of three is saying Whites oppress blacks, and has no job like the welfare warrior who says the same thing collecting Gubinitt money, whole the other three say to the other two,"Get your black lazy azzes up from your couch and get a job. You are just bringing your own self down." Who do you think deserves my respect as a white person? And to hear the "My relatives were slaves, America owes me," mantra coming from an educated person is even more annoying than hearing it from some street trash bum! Noteworthy voices about the stupidity of the black community at large are Bill Crosby, Chris Rock, and D-Mite are three I can think of off of the top of my head.

The truth comes under three categories, Subjective, Selective, and Actual. So far all I have seen is Subjective and Selective followed by strong doses of how bad and Evil America is. how about some Actual truth here??? Even with all this BAD oppression Blacks have still achieved wealth and fame. Blacks are revered as entertainers, sports figures, and even business leaders! Do you even think for a moment these people even tell anyone, "My relatives were slaves and America owes me?" Hell no! There is a reason they are successful, they moved on and made something of themselves rather than wallow in Angst!

THAT IS WHAT SEPARATES A BLACK MAN OF RESPECT, A FELLOW AMERICAN FROM SOME JACK OFF JIVE TURKEY TRYING TO BE BLACKER THAN BLACK IN A WORLD OF MANY OTHER COLORS!

How many black Americans set and have set a bad example for their own race to follow? Shall I make a list here too or would I be racist for having an opinion of people who fail their own? Want me to name White people who are an embarrassment to Whiteness? Billy Graham, steals money from old ladies and sells them heaven. He has said some pretty vicious things of homosexuals in the past. David Duke. Mouthpiece for the KKK. Pat Buchanon... So I am not going to pretend my fellow "whities" are completely innocent of being stupid malignant fools. But what makes the ignorance of blacks any more acceptable? Neither are acceptable in my book. But acting like I owe blacks let alone America owing blacks something more over what they got already? I can't buy that. I will not buy that. And I am going to say this is part of the reason we cannot gain any ground on the issue. i will not stand along side anyone who feels that they are owed ANYTHING! Just solving the problem of discrimination once and for all would be a huge boon to me and even more so to the rest of America! To stink this up with demands for reparations is GREEDY AND SELF CENTERED AND EGOTISTICAL!

Why is it I am trying to be color blind here and I am the bastard? My ability to write in English isn't that bad is it?

I will repeat

good people are in all races as are scoundrels

we could write pages of INDIVIDUAL instances of dishonest blacks trying to get over just like we could individubal instances of dishonest whites

,,it continues to miss the point

I dont know any educated person saying america 'owes' them individually

intelligence dictates that america needs to continue to work towards FIXING The damage it caused amongst its own 'americans' (the excuse that it was just an 'economic reality' doesnt change the evidence of the long lasting effects),

damage caused through redlining, employment and education discrimination, profiling, and seperate/unequal institutions (justice, education, healthcare,,,etc,,,)


it screams of ignorance when people simply brush unemployed or underemployed aside as just needing to 'get a job', as if there arent a dozen different outside factors that also affect their chances at doing so, as if they can pick one off of a tree like abundant fruit,,,,

so , I greatly respect those who have succeeded IN SPITE of injustice and discrimination and inequality, for certain

but I dont have any DISRESPECT for those who havent had the fortune, resources, connections, esteem, motivation or support to beat those odds


and I dont believe that because some rape survivors go on to not be emotionally scarred, and have wonderful families and lives, means we should stop talking about , aknowledging, or working to decrease the incidence of rape

I likewise dont believe that because people have overcome certain injustices, means we should ignore that they are real or not work on doing something about them