I used to be a youth counselor at a job corps center in the late 90's. dont know how things have changed since then.

The Program is really is pretty good depending on which career path he would chose, but keep this in mind as well, there is no guarentees that he will either complete the course or chose a career that has a lot of options on the 'outside'.

They center around education, completing HS diplomas for youth 16-24, who have not received them. In some cases there is the oppertunity to go to a JUCO but those are rare and very competitive.

Job corps has a lot of rules and requirements once the student is enrolled. there are searches every time a student comes on a center unescorted, there are lights out times, wake up early etc etc, and absolutely no tolerance for drugs and alcohol.

Some centers have an ROTC program as well. there are a lot of different options, but the job corps program is good for what it is.

ON THE OTHER hand, whats wrong with joining the army, we take kids and turn them into men, hahahahahahaha.... seriously, we can be a blessing or a curse. its not a bad way to go either. But if your kid has mental worries (specialed) learning disabilities and the such, maybe job corps is for him.


you can do a search to read up on all the different things that are offered, just dont let the rose colored glasses they portrait themselves thru cloud your opinions. its a government program, contracted out in some cases to private companies like Minact.

anyway, good luck,


doc

oh brother......... i woke up again today? dammit!!!!!!!

would it not then be valid concern to have someone whose judgement is clouded with past years of protest rallies to lead the country in the time of war?

could they handle the responsibility then to protect this country, the menn already in a war, and possible confrontations in the future?

or is that not an evalutable concern for the job.

there is noway that that could possibly impair their ability to run the whitehouse, could it?

oh, and heres a good one, do they know how to use the military, what is their experience in this regard?

oorah said the hooah.

bummer

So kind of based on this premis then, I ask you this.

Has someone with the counry of Iraq, who I would say we can all agree are more a vested interest than any other in the world, Has anybody from their country went to the "world court" and said, could you please prosecute them for an "Illegal"war?

I dont think ive ever heard anywhere that an iraqihas said anything like that......... isnt it peculiar that in a time when everyone is screaming so loud that they cant seem to see straight, that the most deafening noise of all, in this matter, is the silence from those who would no best- the iraqis.

peace to all the tree huggers out there.



doc

Sorry for taking so long to respond to this.

First question is pretty easy to answer in regards to humanity. this is an anicdotial story about how many people would you let die to save a million people, 1? 2? 5000? The lives already lost that need not be have been from the Iraqi side more so than from the American side. The No BS amounts of mass graves that have been found can lead one to draw the conclusion that more were surely to follow. Saddam Hussien is credited with the conservative estimate of killing more than 1 million people with methods that would make you throw up in your shirt, and some say that the number is more like 2.5... now I can not tell you if that is close to what it really was or way off. And I can only say that what ever the number, it was to many and needed to be stopped. In my opinion more than finding any nuclear bomb. did we stop a crazy man from attaining the near hitler status of the past? I would submit to you that we did, for humanity.

Establishing military bases through the world in regions where there are or have the potential to be conflicts of great concern is important to being able to quickly react and help those people in need when and if the situation calls for it. It is better to prepare for something and not need it than to not prepare and find yourself needing it badly. The countries that military bases are at have granted us permission to utilize their lands for this purpose. It is not just for our safety tthat we do this, but they will agree that it is for theirs as well. Military bases in germany helped to end the cold war as we know it by their simple presence(no action ever taken out of Germany against Russia). Bases in Korea have eased the threat of the North Koreans, and some would say China from invading and surely conquering South Korea and possibly Japan. There are others as well but you should get the point. We do not have a military base on a land that we have not gotten permission from or were asked directly. Except maybe Cuba, but we had a base there before Fidel Castro, and now it seems we will have one there after he is gone.

The "final purpose"? Freedom to live humanely. There are certain rights that should not be taken away from any humanbeing. The right to breathe being chiefly among them. The right to speak, the right to eat, the right to read, the right to chose for them away of life that will benefit them and their families. When these rights are stripped away, and people are forced to live their lives for the state then surely humanity suffers.

Who benefits from the actions of the United States, with regard to these things that you mentioned? It is my opinion that humanity benefits. Who cares if you call it democracy (forced or otherwise) or a republic or hell even a communistic socialistic theocrity, so long as basic humanity and the rights given to all us as humans are not destroyed by it, then yes, human kind benefits from our actions. Yes there are those the world over who profit monetarily, it is the way it is, it is not right to profit on the shoulders of the weak and less fortunate from any group of people or country. Are we or have we been guilty of it, yes. Will we or some other benefit in the future, yes. Does that make it right, no. Does that mean we should stop trying to help because someone scammed some money, no.
Some of us do what we do because we believe in it. Others do it for money. Still there are some that would have you do nothing for the money that it would surely bring as well, while others like yourself would do nothing because that is what you truly believe to be the right course.

Always seek to know who gains from both, and chose the path that benefits not only you but your fellow humanbeing as well.



Doc

aahh yes, that is the question isnt it.

what country has more resources than the US?

But can I add to that with out it seeming like I am being a jerk?

What country has the people that are willing to do what ours does?

Im not asking in a bad way, what the meaning is, is there are other countries in the world that are doing good things, no doubt. But how many of their citizens are willing to take life into their own hands and do what must be done in order to protect the actions of their country?

we are a very proud people, too proud some would say, but we the people do it selfishly no matter what the government's reasoning is.


doc

I get misty when i here or see that. ahh shucks....... of course we understand it, hell we live it everyday.

in 1994 a survey was put out to troops regarding the UN presence on American soil, UN Troops, anyway very simple and straight forward survey, crust being, would you if given the order fire on an american citizen?

overwhelmingly, the answer was not no, but hell no.

live free or die trying as a rapper once said.

screaming eagles, all the way baby. hooah!

Nice hit and run piece Miguel, long time no see.

hope all is well with you (present post having nothing to do with that)

its more than cool Symbelmyne. I think that debate is good, i think that dessention is good, if we all thought the same it would be boring.

thanks tho I do appreciate the fact that you can be civil, I am trying myself.


Doc

and the flip side to that is how many people dont get ptsd. its not the flu or aids or anything like that. to assume that every individual gets ptsd is like saying every woman has PMS all the time. or that every man is a sexist because he married a woman and not a man, come on, really, now he's post traumatic? maybe 35 years ago but i thinks hes alright now dont you?


with that ladies, I have to say its been rather fun and hope to see you all later, but doc's gotto run.

peace to all, im outty



DOC

questioning me on my patriotism?

ok heres the background. I enlisted in the military in 1990, prior to Saddams invasion of Kuwait. I served until 1998, under both Bush Sr. and Clinton. I re-enlisted in 2003, prior to the war with Iraq.
I have voted in every single election since I was eighteen.
Yes I know the mayor.
I know who sits on the school board.
Yes I am politically active, if you couldnt tell from the other post.
I have worked as a Youth counselor, among many other things, during the time I wasnt in the army.
I am educated and do have a degree.
As far as what have I done for my country prior to being shipped out... I guess the same as many, I pay my taxes, I have went to city council meetings, and school board meetings. Have I ever chaired one or been on the board- nope. Will I, you bet, have to start somwhere before I just throw my hat into the race for President. It is my future ambition to become the first prsident with the name Dennis, and when that happens you can truly put your head down and wait, cause its coming.

it was ashame to read you were forbidden to vote, someone should stand up and....FIGHT , for your right to do so.

I think doc has a valid point. I would say that to enter politics requiers a certian bit of insanity...McCain has enough on his political record to use against him without lowering to personal attacks.
Loved the Manchurian Candidate...great movie, but Im sticking with the original. The remake was a bit too over done for my tastes.


we finally agree. see your coming around. hahaha

I have some scars wanna see them?

its not a glamorous job, absolutely correct.

but I am off my ass, i am doing something that will bring about real change. hell saddams dead now isnt he, theres one change that has happened.

I dont disagree with you on your points of it being dirty nasty back breaking work reviled by many, just on the substance in which you are trying to claim we , THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, are the root of everybodies woe's through out the world. take some blame, take some responsibilty, be a leader, stand up and change your country then you will have a leg to stand on when you try and tell me how to change mine.

If the man was deranged or some sort of manchurian canidate I think that enough years have passed to assertain his mental capabilities. thats all I am saying about it. would it have been a concern, yeah maybe 35 years ago.

hahahaha yeah no problem, we screwed up your country, priceless, dont take responsibility for anything you are your country men do.

i think i would prefer Texas beef any day, although I hear yours is quite tasty, just dont think I want to suffer the violence for a steak.

I am not a victim of anything, thanks for the flower emocon.

I am happy to get up and put on my uniform everyday, knowing when all is said and done I will have helped those who whether by design or otherwise could not would not help them self, EVEN if they are kicking and screaming and biting at me while I do it.

I dont take you personally, never have never will you dont know me so why would you do that.

what I do take personally is the thought process that leads you to believe that we do no good, in iraq and else where.

Do they want us there, yes they do, more than dont anyway. are we rebuilding it for them, yes we are. are we making a difference despite the claims to the contrary, yes we are.

I like you dragon, your okay, i think you views are a little messed up but hey no ones perfect, not even me, i know i know i know, hard to believe but its true, Im not.

yeah yeah yeah. I fight for you too, your 'right' to be a misinformed person spreading gossip lies and deceit, but its ok. really i dont mind, Im a barbarian terrorist from texas.

cool, so now I am a terrorist, wonderful to know, think I have a machete laying around somewhere.