It would appear the Deux's arguments are fallacious by choice, rather than as a consequence of ignorance.

opinion, not fact

still falls in the category of guilt by association to take thousands of people working for an ENTITY and accuse them of the guilt for some who are convicted of wrong doing,,

Acorn, was never convicted of any crime. Members in Acorn did commit fraud though. Therefore is every employee of acorn guilty of fraud or being a criminal,,,,no

Get it?

more of the guilt by association tactic

any idea how many employees ACORN had, or if the ones that are involved with the OWS are the very same individuals accused (and lter cleared) of the allegations arising from that edited farce of a video ?

,, and whether or not that information is known(which I doubt),

how would that be relevant to their support of OWS or somehow make it any less of a valid and reasonable right than anyone else choosing to support them?

good for them, its a great exercise of their rights,,,

ACORN is alive and well,thanks to Soros,Moore and Company!

not quite

he said 'Im a jew too'

it would be like a house ginna saying 'Im a house ginna too'

,,, just a bit different as it implies inclusiveness as opposed to seperatenes,,,

context is fairly significant in the english language,,

You really think one of the zionist conspiracy nuts represents most of the people there? If you think that, you must think the same about every other group, as the zionist conspiracy nuts are not just part of the occupy wall street group.

a jewish man called another jewish man a jew, the unorthodox jew told the orthodox jew to go to israel,, that was the extent of it,,,

Tell me why bums always be tryna fight me? Cuz I be crazzzzy up on the mic

And why did I get arrested yesterday? For stealing from Hollister. Well they didn’t get this. And they did not get THIS. Just to show you that I got skills.

N##er N##er N##er N##er. N##er means a NOUN. It means uneducated….person. Look it up in the dictionary. It means an uneducated person who….got nothing.

just for balance, the great thing about americans is speech is not illegal , no matter how bigoted or 'goon' like and its difficult for any large group to keep out all such individuals

even tea party were 'caught on tape' with such 'goon' antics

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13TQow6zJsQ&feature=related

When the FedGov needs a bailout, the Federal Reserve board will print up a few trillion dollars for them. As long as the dollar continues to be the world's primary reserve currency, foreign credit holders will have to eat their losses (incurred by inflation). This will also result in a credit squeeze domestically. Prices for everything will go up. (Hopefully, this crisis will force the withdrawl of military forces from around the world back home) There will definitely be short term (though the "short term" could be years) pain as long as current policy doesn't change significantly.

I agree the US remains quite different from other countries and people, in the fact that they can disagree about certain issues and still remain friends and colleagues while on another level agreeing on other issues.

In the US, we do not have to turn in a few, or be held accountable for what they do. just because they do not hand over an accused doesnt make another guilty, and accused doesnt on any level mean guilty.

So, please do not misplace your governmental views and mind sets and apply to a country or protestors that do not fit within your parameters.

Bernardine Dohrn and her husband Bill Ayers of 1960’s Weatherman infamy are both in their late 60’s now. But the past is never past for these two. In one way their 60’s “Days of Rage” militancy has paid off. The current president launched his political career in their living room in 1995. Ayers worked with Obama for 6 years in Chicago under the auspices of the Annenberg Challenge. And now in 2011 Ayers and Dohrn’s dream of overthrowing the system seems within reach.

The Weatherman planned an anti-war “National Action” in 1968 from October 8-11 culminating in what is known as the “Days of Rage” riots in Chicago. They drafted a “resolution” at a meeting in Boulder, Colorado much like our own present “American Autumn” titled “The Elections Don’t Mean S…t-Vote Where the Power Is-Our Power Is In The Streets.”

In a little viewed video of a small conference on March 17, 2011 at the Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal Bin Abdulaziz Alsaud Center for American Studies and Research, Dohrn and Ayers held a lecture entitled: "Another World is Possible: Movement-Building in the Age of Obama.”

In the video Ayers and Dohrn demonstrate their hostility towards the Tea Party stating that the grass roots movement consists of white supremacists, religious fundamentalists and mega financial funders from Wall Street. A special guest at the small gathering is noted by the emcee: Rashid Khalidi, the anti-America Israel basher, and best friend of Ayers and Obama. Citing Khalidi’s presence the host boasts that the former will be speaking at another conference.

Rashid Khalidi will be giving a talk tomorrow…it’ll be one of the most interesting talks since 1848.
1848 was a pivotal year for Marxists; it was the year of the Communist Manifesto. Communism and Islam have much in common—totalitarianism. Ayers, Dohrn and Khalidi all helped organize the flotilla last year which attempted to break through Israel’s legal blockade of Gaza. The anti-Israel rhetoric throughout the video is palpable. 6 months later we hear anti-Semitic comments from the OWS protesters. Zombie protestors have more in common with Ayers, Dohrn and Khalidi than mere Marxism. They all share a hatred of the state of Israel. Some of the protestors even ranted on about Jews being Hitler’s Bankers.

The anti-Israel sentiment recalls the infamously suppressed 2003 video of a going away party for Khalidi. In attendance were Bill Ayers, Bernardine Dohrn and the Obamas. The LA Times has never released the video for public scrutiny.

Back in April, the Times published a gentle story about the fete. Reporter Peter Wallsten avoided, for example, any mention of the inconvenient fact that the revelers included Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn, Ayers’s wife and fellow Weatherman terrorist. These self-professed revolutionary Leftists are friendly with both Obama and Khalidi — indeed, researcher Stanley Kurtz has noted that Ayers and Khalidi were “best friends.” (And — small world! — it turns out that the Obamas are extremely close to the Khalidis, who have reportedly babysat the Obama children.)
8 years later, not even a second in militant Marxist radical time, Ayers and Dohrn ostensibly turn on Obama, (their only hope for a fundamental transformation of the United States-mmm?) praise the Arab Spring especially the protests in Tahrir Square, call for “unruly citizenship” and disparage the Tea Party.

At the 1-hour mark of the video, Dohrn answers an audience member’s question on what civil disobedience entails by praising the Madison Wisconsin union sit-in at the State capitol building.

…the protestors in Madison, Wisconsin learned from Tahrir Square you need to occupy the space in order to build a movement…and so they actually occupied the space and they created a counter culture inside this ornate sort of wedding cake kind of capitol building that we have in all of our states…and they built themselves a culture that would allow themselves to clean the space to keep the space clean, to have bathroom facilities to feed people to have healthcare to have public safety, patrol themselves…we actually can do a lot of these things working together.
How utterly prophetic of Dohrn to speak of the Madison protestors “occupying” the space of the capitol; and now we have the manufactured movement of Occupy Wall Street. Her husband Bill supports the movement and posted on his website on October 5, 2011 “the first official, collective statement of the protesters in Zuccotti Park.”

In the most recent development New York’s Mayor Bloomberg has given the protesters in his city carte blanche to occupy a private park indefinitely. The city has already spent millions in police overtime while the organizers have paid nothing for electricity use or permit fees. The leftist groups have friends in very high places who in turn have radical friends determined to bring down the capitalist system.

In California the other day, a protestor calling for a bloody revolution parroted Ayers and Dohrn from their March conference. Ayers talked about the myth of nonviolence fed the people by the ruling class, and brought up Martin Luther King’s march in Chicago in the summer of 1966. Then Dohrn piped in with “Mandela didn’t just pray inside his cell; he waged an armed struggle against the apartheid regime.” The California man spoke this into the microphone for the crowd:

Gandhi today is a tumor that the ruling class is using constantly to mislead us. French Revolution made fundamental transformation. But it was bloody. India, the result of Gandhi, is 600 million people living in maximum poverty. So, ultimately, the bourgeoisie won’t go without violent means. Revolution! Yes, revolution that is led by the working class. Long live revolution! Long live socialism!
Bernardine and Bill are dead serious in their Leninist-Trotskyist-Marxism. The two Weather Underground terrorists’ goals are many: create revolution through civil disobedience, both violent and nonviolent; do away with the two-party system of electoral politics and the Electoral College; to “build a social movement without the parties;” and to destroy the America which the founding fathers created.

Muslim Extremists Joining Occupy Wall Street?

It seems that every wacked out group has been jumping on the Occupy Wall Street bandwagon. There are anti-taxes, anti-Wall Street, anti-financial world, anti-capitalism, anti-employer, anti-work, anti-black and anti-Jewish groups all joined together for a supposedly common cause.

There have already been complaints filed concerning anti-Semitic and racial statements and signs used by the Occupy Wall Street movement. The Anti-Defamation League’s national director, Abraham Foxman said, “While we believe that these expressions are not representative of the larger views of the OWS movement, it is still critical for organizers, participants and supporters of these rallies to condemn such bigoted statements clearly and forcefully.”

Now, the organizers of the OWS have extended an invitation to a Muslim group that has ties to Islamic extremists, radicals, anti-Semites and terrorists. The group is part of the Council on American-Islamic Relations – New York. The parent organization located in Washington DC has had former employees and some current employees that have been deported or jailed for terrorist related offenses.

As liberal as Democratic Senator Chuck Schumer from New York is known to be, he has criticized the Council on American-Islamic Relations in the past for their associations with Islamic terrorists.

One of the OWS organizers, Matthew Bralow believes that reaching out to the Muslim community would help diversify the protest movement and make it stronger.

It seems that they don’t care who they invite as long as they can get more people, more numbers and more press coverage. Perhaps they feel that they may one day actually represent the 99% if they add enough different groups and organizations to the protest. However, I for one will never claim to be one of their 99%, nor do I belong to the 1% they are supposedly protesting against. I continue to be part of the 54% of Americans who pay their taxes and disagree with the OWS movement.

Red, White and Angry: Communist, Nazi parties endorse ‘Occupy’ protests
By David Martosko

Protestors participating in the Occupy Wall Street protests march towards Wall Street Friday, Oct. 14, 2011, in New York. At least ten people were arrested during the march, which began after protestors heard the news that the owners of Zuccotti Park had withdrawn their request to have the park cleaned by the New York Police Department.

In a move that may redefine the term “strange bedfellows,” the American Nazi Party issued an official endorsement of the Occupy Wall Street protest movement on Sunday afternoon. The announcement put the organization, a self-described “National Socialist” political party, in company with the Socialist Party USA, which explained its own support for the left-wing protesters in a nationwide conference call last Tuesday night, crediting organized labor with the protests’ strength and sophistication to date.

The American Nazi Party is the most politically sophisticated U.S. remnant — but by no means the only one — of white supremacist Adolph Hitler’s murderous 20th century movement, which sought to establish socialism for Aryans, and to subjugate non-Aryans. The party calls Hitler’s Mein Kampf “an ideological blueprint for healthy Aryan survival.”

In its statement on Sunday, the Westland, Mich.-based Nazi party wrote that the Occupy Wall Street protests are “TAYLOR [sic] MADE for National Socialists, as well as WN [White Nationalists] who are serious about DOING SOMETHING.”

“I urgently URGE all of you,” the statement’s unnamed author added, “to TAKE PART and JOIN IN when these protests hit your neck of the woods. Produce some flyers EXPLAINING the ‘JEW BANKER’ influence — DON’T wear anything marking you as an ‘evil racist’ — and GET OUT THERE and SPREAD the WORD!”

While Nazis seem unenthusiastic about visibly linking their flagship organization to the vocal protests that have popped up in dozens of U.S. cities, the same can’t be said of the Communist Party USA.

John Bachtell, an Illinois-based community organizer and Communist Party USA board member, addressed the “Occupy Chicago” protest on Saturday.

“I bring greetings and solidarity from the Communist Party,” Bachtell said to hoots and applause. “We are here, marching side-by-side. We’ll sleep here. We’ll be with this movement ’til the very – ’til we make all the changes that we know we have to make.”

Bachtell also organized the Tuesday evening conference call, with an online call to action that framed the Communist Party’s involvement as one part of a larger movement uniting the “Occupy” protesters with a “Week of Action for Jobs” organized by the AFL-CIO, and with congressional Democrats’ push to pass President Obama’s American Jobs Act.

“While there is a wide range of political and ideological trends,” he wrote, “there is a consensus against corporate greed, getting money out of politics, taxing the rich and putting people before profits.

“A big challenge for the CPUSA and left, progressive movements is to link these demonstrations with the labor led all-people’s coalition and help deepen understanding that the path to progress must be through electoral and political action including defeating Republican Tea Party reaction in 2012.”

Communist Party USA Secretary/Treasurer Roberta Wood moderated the conference call, which she announced halfway through had attracted 88 callers.

“’We are [the] 99 percent.’ What a beautiful idea. It re-draws the fault lines of society,” said Wood, a former executive board member of United Steel Workers Local 65 who has also been labor editor of the People’s Weekly World.

“We as communists are also part of that 99 percent. Our deep involvement in our communities and workplaces and unions and neighborhood organizations [will] strengthen a new national conversation that will no doubt impact the future of our country.”

Southern California Communist Party leader Arturo Cambron also addressed the call, praising “the growing of the occupying community.”

“We’ve been getting a lot of support from an unusual amount of very, very broad forces,” Cambron added. “The movement has gone [on] to get the endorsement of a lot of trade unions, including the Los Angeles Federation of Labor, which is I think one of the most powerful, most progressive labor organizations in the country.”

John Wojcik, labor editor for the People’s World, told the conference call that after a recent Occupy Chicago march, AFL-CIO president Richard Trumka “was speaking to law students at the Chicago-Kent Law School just a few blocks away. And they heard him urge support for Occupy Wall Street, and offered them use of union halls [and] other resources. And he was using their language. He said we have an economy, a political process, that isn’t serving ‘the 99 percent.’”

Communist Party USA leader Jim Lane, calling in from Dallas, added that “the Texas AFL-CIO published contact information, urged participation everywhere, and sent their whole staff to the Austin action.”

DeusImperator, do you for some reason think that a few anti-semitic protesters mean all the protesters are anti-semitic? That wouldn't surprise me, as you're considering all of the protesters goons and thugs.

ACORN Linked To Occupy Wall Street Protest, Says DC Watchdog – by: Jim Kouri

October 6, 2011


A famously corrupt leftist community organization with deep ties to President Barack Obama is largely behind the national movement to “end economic segregation” and social injustice in the United States, according to the blog on a Washington, DC-based watchdog group’s web site, .

Best known as Occupy Wall Street, the rowdy protests have received quite a bit of mainstream media coverage around the world despite the relatively low number of participants. Besides New York, disruptive marches have been held in other major U.S. cities such as Los Angeles, Seattle, Miami, Chicago and Boston and more are scheduled in the coming days, Judicial Watch’s blogger reported Wednesday.

The protests’ goal is to get major banks to stop preying on the poor and people of color, according to the organizer of a Boston offshoot of an Occupy Wall Street rally.

The event, promoted as Take Back Boston, was organized by dozens of local community groups that claim big banks have a pattern of pushing “bad loans on people of color and the poor.” As a result of the “predatory lending,” foreclosures have skyrocketed in urban communities, the organizers say.

Among the Take Back Boston organizers is a spinoff of the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN). Amid a massive fraud scandal and a series of criminal probes, ACORN supposedly dismantled but the reality is that it simply changed its name. In fact, Judicial Watch recently published a special report about the organization’s transformation into various spinoffs and affiliated groups.

In this particular case, ACORN’s Boston office simply rebranded into New England United 4 Justice. Same questionable group with the same general mission and president, but a different name. Headed by Maude Hurd, the former president of ACORN and ACORN Housing, New England United 4 Justice promotes “social justice” for “low and moderate income families.” The group also seeks to educate the general public about social justice issues and the needs of poor and middle class families.

This sort of rebranding has allowed ACORN to skirt a 2009 congressional ban on federal funding, consequence of its many transgressions. A few months ago a Judicial Watch investigation found the Obama Administration gave an ACORN reincarnation called Affordable Housing Centers of America (AHCOA) a $79,819 grant to “combat housing and lending discrimination.”

“The ACORN-affiliated groups existing today are ACORN in all but name. These groups tend to occupy ACORN’s former offices, are staffed in many cases with former ACORN employees, and remain committed to ACORN’s mission. Overall, Judicial Watch attorneys have documented 17 ACORN-affiliated organizations in the following states/regions: Arizona, Arkansas, California, District of Columbia, Florida, Louisiana, Minnesota, Missouri, New England, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Texas, and Washington,” according to the Judicial Watch investigative report.