Amen to that Mysterious man!! How 'bout Y'all vote for me?

Sorry, but going by Obama's remarks, he is a BLACK man first, and a MAN
second. I sure don't want a racist in the white house.

Hi All,

If Hill-I-forgive-him Clint'n makes the White House again, we are all in
for a raking over the coals that will never be forgotten or forgiven by
the entire planet earth's population, in general, bar none.

Geeze a loo. Get a clue! lol.

I have no PROBLEM with a president of African decent but it should be
someone who knows what LIFE (outside of their race card) is all about
and I think (in my humble opinion) that the honorable Mr. Obama does not
yet know. He is a smart, well educated, politician.

I am not that fond of politicians (in general) who have NOT seen WAR
first hand or been involved in world conflict (also first hand). So, my
vote would be "NO" on his behalf.

I have no clue, at this point in time, who I would vote FOR as there are
no candidates that warrant my YES vote. The criteria for the "Leader Of
The Free World" has not shown up yet,anyhousen.

I am at a lose for WHO it could be.

Verb

Oops! LOSS. Jeeze a loo. I cannot even spell now! lol.

Verb

Hillary the 'anti-Christ' !!!
and
'... pleas (please) dont elect any marksist (Marxist) communints
(communists)'

igot_spurs50 and rambill79 , I hear major MEDIEVAL or McCARTHY'ism
shortcuts in those comments !!! Are those your visions for our
future?!?!? A sort of permanent Anti-Christs, Marxists and Communists
'witch hunt' !!!

Never mind personal and subjective preferences for a moment,

... if you had name less sheets listing Hillary Clinton's and 'G.W.
Bush's pedigree, academic acheivements, accomplishments while holding
the different offices they've held, demonstrated qualifications and
ability to think through, articulate and resolve complex internal and
international issues, on the turf experience, I.Q. and vision for the
country and the people,
... and had to label one of the two sheets with the your
chosen 'tags', are you sure you would put the tag on the right
sheet?!?!?

This is a purely rethorical question!

My point is, while we're all guilty of it, when we oversimplify our
thoughts into such blunt epithets, name callings and character
assassinations, we kill any hope for a healthy debate and exchange of
viewpoints based on objective facts and respectful treatment: the only
human process in my mind which has a hope of enlarging the 'mind' field!

Hillary Clinton is not the Anti-Christ, nor is she a marxist or a
communist!!!
And
G.W. Bush is not an idiot, warmonger or 'Frat Party 'U' graduate!!!

And 'them are the facts Jack!!!'

Back to the question you raise 'halfnutts': I've read (Washington Post,
Economist) that the 'unpublished' republican strategy would forego any
serious drive for the 2008 campaign, and focus all its energy on the
2012 drive instead.

The reasoning behind that approach, cited in the articles, is that the
Republican electoral strategists see the next 4 years as a 'damn if you
do, and damn if you don't' trap.
... what to do with Iraq, Iran, Israelo-Palestinian issue, Venezuela
(and Central-South America, Afghanistan, the out of control national
debt, and the Chinese economic steam roller factor. Since a major
changes in direction are imperative on all those fronts, a new
republican administration would defacto be dissavowing the previous
REPUBLICAN admin. Not a good party approach. That's the '...damn if you
do' !!!

On the other hand, republicans are not stupid, and they're very clear
this mess is close to 'mission impossible', with very little chance of
being turned around within the next 4 years!!! Their read is that it
will get worse before it gets better. That's the "...damn if you don't'
!!! Might as well let the democrats choke on this, they figure. Thus
the potential for the republicans to sit this one out, and come back
with a vengeance in 2012, looking like saviors to save the US from the
then ... Democratic Mess!!!

So, to your question, I would suggest the republicans don't stand a
chance, but clearly out of their own chosing!!!

As for Hillary Clinton, (personal considerations or preference aside),
she could very well have the intellectual HP, character strenght, 'don't
you mess with me' attitude, powrful business and political network and
connections (here and abroad), and crystal clear pragmatic vision of
where this country stands in the world, to bring it right back there,
in a straight line, over the next 4 years!!!

RIGHT STUFF and very exciting prospect indeed!!!

Hey, lets' not forget that Hillary has experience. Remember slick willy
(yes he will) put her in charge of health care....remember what a good
job she did with that.

Question...is Obama a muslim?

Now there's a reavealing question:

What if he were a muslim??? Would that make him less of an American?

Interesting?

But no such luck Ole Jeb, after checking out his tooth myself, I can
confirm that he is a good old christian boy. United Church of Christ to
be more precise.

Did I hear tribal?!?!? Who said that?!!? Name yourself?!?!?

I agree that the electorial college is obsolete--but someone better
figure out a way to keep the actual voting form being tampered with (and
readable). And ask youself this question "Is there a true
Republican/Democratic party". Just about everyone crosses party line
whenever it suits them. So why not eleminate the parties as well.

Betty400515

Violeazur, no being a muslim would not make Obama any less american.
But, most likely wold make him unelectable. Many of us
can't help thinking of 9/11 and several other attacks on americans over
the last 3 or 4 decades, carried out by muslims.

Isn't Obama the one who refused to take the oath of office with his hand
on the Bible? Kinda strange for a Christian to do that, in my opinion.

Betty, our government needs so many changes, but most of them aren't
gonna happen. Term limits for all elected officials would help...but
those good ole boys who have been in congress most of their lives aren't
gonna let that happen. While they are supposed to be serveing the USA,
they spend most of their time doing what they have to do to get
re-elected. After their first term they are wealthy, then they become
power hungry.
Doing away with the Dems and the Reps would be harder than doing away
with congress. They really should change their names to, Liberal and
Conservative.

we need a woman in the WHITE HOUSE. Men are not working.

anybody but who we have now.better then this dumbass we have now would
work better i think a five year old could do. better then dumbass bush.

No, they are not America,s Team.
A nosy, obnoxious woman, and a guy that knows nothing about Politic,s
should not be taken seriously

Respectfully Ole Jeb,

That's what I meant by 'less American'.

A native born American would be 'judged' strictly base on his religion
!!! others on ... skin colour!!! ... sex!!!

Why should it make a difference that he is a Muslim.

However horrible 9/11 was, and still is to most of us, the fact that
some terrorists were reported to be of Muslim faith, doesn't reflect in
any way shape or form on all other Muslims.

I understand about primal reaction to take it out on anything that
'looks' like the target of our anger. But that's just it, it's PRIMAL.
And I trust that we've evolved some since the middle ages, and can
distinguish between 'the thing' and what looks like 'the thing'.

With the primal association logic Ole Jeb, you and I, and all other
white Christian men alive, my friend, would all be prejudged and guitly
by 'association', as child molestors, rapists, serial killers, and
mass murderers,
... because you and I know (from watching or reading the
news) that a great number of Christians males have committed those
crimes. So since we can seem to clearly distinguish it amongst
Christians compatriots, can we not distinguish it just as well with our
Muslim compatriots?

What do you say Ole Jeb, could a native born, law abiding, accomplished
and competent for the job, Muslim American have YOUR vote for
President???

Violeazur, I do consider a politicians' religion to be important and, in
the case of equal qualifcations and competence, the christian would get
my vote.

I know very little about Mr. Obama, but when I learned that is
Muslim...a red flag popped up.

"However horrible 9/11 was, and still is to most of us, the fact that
some terrorists were reported to be of Muslim faith, doesn't reflect in
any way shape or form on all other Muslims."

Really? I remember, after 9/11, seeing (on tv) muslims in Pakistan, Iraq
and other Arab countries, celebrating, dancing in the streets. I don,t
remember muslim leaders condemning that terrorism....not even american
muslims were speaking out. What about Mr. Obama do you know if he was
quick to condemn that horrible act.

Mr. Obama might be the best of all candidates and it may not be
fair but, I think a lot of voters are gonna see that same red flag that
I did and I don't think can be elected.

we all as americans .have to no who every win they are not going to help
us .anyway no matter who u wont to win they only care about tere rich
finds not us

Can I vote twice for BigGlenn? Oh darn, I can't, I'm not from
the States

whoever it is will be interesting. i like barack but i don't think he
has enough experience so i think it'll come down to McCain and hilary

Ole Jeb

I could be mistaken, but it appears you are stil under the WRONG
impression that Obama Barack is MUSLIM. While I don't there anything
wrong with being Muslim, I earlier answered your question, and confirmed
that OBAMA BARACK IS NOT MUSLIM.

He is a Christian. Trinity United Church of Christ, is the church
that he and his wife Michelle, and daughters Malia, 8 and Sasha, 5,
attend together most every Sunday.

Here is Mr. Barack official site:
http://obama.senate.gov/about/


It's all there.

P.S.: On the point I made in a previous message,

"However horrible 9/11 was, and still is to most of us, the fact that
some terrorists were reported to be of Muslim faith, doesn't reflect in
any way shape or form on all other people of Muslim faith.­'

You countered:

Really? I remember, after 9/11, seeing (on tv) muslims in Pakistan, Iraq
and other Arab countries, celebrating, dancing in the streets. I don,t
remember muslim leaders condemning that terrorism....not even american
muslims were speaking out. What about Mr. Obama do you know if he was
quick to condemn that horrible act.

I respectfully ask you to consider the following:

If all Muslims are terrorists, or sympathisers of terrorism, as you
imply, that would mean that there would be no such thing as a moderate
Muslim, capable of nuance, capable of loving his Christian brother,
capable of generosity towards others, regardless of their religion,
and capable of coexisting with us in North America sharing and promoting
the values that make this continent a great place to live. That's what
that would mean.

Now that's without any hesitation, a radical position.
Radical because it leaves no room for nuance. No room to afford our
possible Muslim neighbor, co-worker, grocery store goer, school driving
parent, football game applauding fan, etc. that they could be anything
other than potential terrorists or sympathisers of terrorism.

Understanding from your point that;
'... not even american muslims were speaking out'.
implying that all American Muslims wouldn't raise a finger to stop
another 'act'.

We might as well put ourselves out of our misery. The place is going to
blow-up any minute now!!! (if we elected one as President (not Obama.
He's not a Muslim), at least we could keep that one Muslim person under
close surveillance!!! (joke)).

But Ole Jeb, we both know better. It's just not where the truth is.
There is no way all people of Muslim faith should be considered
potential ennemy to the nation. It's profoundly UN-AMERICAN!!! And it
is profoundly untrue!

Leading, and general statements never stand the reality test. They're
never entirely true, therefore not true at all. They are only RADICAL in
their nature.

When WE give ourselves indiscriminant permission to speak or act in a
RADICAL manner, we inevitably wake-up the radical nature of others
against us.
It is that simple:
ALL MUSLIMS ARE TERRORISTS (from radical thinking Americans) translates
into :
ALL AMERICANS ARE SATAN SERVANTS (from radical Muslims).
And if it was that radical, we would be in the midst of a full blown
Holy War for no reason, and with no possible 'win' in sight for
anyone.

Let's be perfectly frank, it takes a heck of a lot more courage and
balls to think things through, and to seek what is TRUE FOR ALL, than
it is to revert to simple radical and isolated positions.

And thank the good side of all human beings, we don't need to run for
cover. We don't need to protect ourselves, or stand on guard against
our fellow citizens of Muslim faith, or any other faith for that
matter.

Figure it this way Ole Jeb. There are approx. 1,2 billion people of
Muslim faith in the world. There are approx. 1,2 billion people of
Christian faith in the world. The only reason the planet hasn't blown
up yet, is because there are at least as many MODERATE MUSLIMS around
the world than there are MODERATE CHRISTIANS.

It is not religion that is saving the day. Far from it. It's simple,
quiet, and very MODERATE MATHEMATICS!!!

Think about it !!! and let's 'fight' hard to keep the MODERATE MATH
balanced !!!

news flash... The Clintonistas ARE marksist Commies. Look at the planks
of the thier platform and compare it to the communist manifesto. Slick
willy studied in marksist communism in Moscow in the 60s. ( after the
draft doging incident)Im not saying its good or bad, just be aware where
your doctrine origonates when supporting thier regime. Lets not forget
the scandal a week. The president should represent the best we have to
offer in a person,not just thier politics, but in thier moral fiber.
With the Clintons, morals are out the window. What kind of a mesage does
this send to the world?