Topic: Does time truly exist?
no photo
Fri 01/02/09 11:21 AM
I always love those movies or commercials where a man or woman sits in a cafe and he is frozen in time but at a fast speed people are eating, drinking, chatting and leaving. Each hour is one second and the person sits there as if not noticed in society.

How many times I felt like this when I was sitting at a bookstore.

no photo
Fri 01/02/09 11:24 AM
Very cool the plasticity of the human brain!


I would not be so quick to give the human brain the credit for this phenomenon. The human brain exists within this space-time and is subject to the laws here.

What I think is that the mind exists apart from the biological computer we call the human brain and that it exists within the human energy field surrounding the body. It is this place where personal space-time can be found. It is not subject to physical frequencies or laws.


no photo
Fri 01/02/09 11:29 AM
Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Fri 01/02/09 11:31 AM
Yea I am acquainted with your beliefs at this point.

As far as your brain needing to follow the laws of physics I agree so does my vcr/ dvd player, and yet it can do just what you mentioned. It is even better, it can rewind and play back exactly what was recorded and at whatever speed I desire.

no photo
Fri 01/02/09 11:58 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Fri 01/02/09 12:02 PM

Yea I am acquainted with your beliefs at this point.

As far as your brain needing to follow the laws of physics I agree so does my vcr/ dvd player, and yet it can do just what you mentioned. It is even better, it can rewind and play back exactly what was recorded and at whatever speed I desire.


laugh laugh That is really funny. Your dvd player cannot perceive its thoughts at an accelerated rate. Bad analogy.

It has its limits which are defined by the moving parts and governed by the laws of physics. It cannot rewind in 1/100th of a second, nor can it play the movie in a second. It has its limits within the physical laws.

If what I experienced can be accomplished at will then I should be able to figure out how to do it again or scientists should be able to simulate this phenomenon in a lab. Do you know of any such experiments?

I have heard of people who have photographic memories and such, and of speed reading programs, and mental training techniques.

Even so, it might be difficult or impossible to determine how this happens.

The presence of a human energy field has been seen in the photographing of auras. I have also 'felt' this field around certain people who were very disturbed. There are some people who can see these fields or see auras. I think to deny they exist is foolish at this point.

Yet I am not going to insist that the brain cannot be responsible for this kind of observation, but I kinda think there is more to it than just the brain.





no photo
Fri 01/02/09 12:07 PM
Anyway, if the brain is capable of such amazing feats, why are they not more common?

It would be like a compute illiterate person using a fifty billion dollar computer simply to type a letter and nothing else.

Its a waste. So what is the reason for a brain that can do amazing things if no one knows how to use it?




no photo
Fri 01/02/09 01:34 PM


Yea I am acquainted with your beliefs at this point.

As far as your brain needing to follow the laws of physics I agree so does my vcr/ dvd player, and yet it can do just what you mentioned. It is even better, it can rewind and play back exactly what was recorded and at whatever speed I desire.


laugh laugh That is really funny. Your dvd player cannot perceive its thoughts at an accelerated rate. Bad analogy.

It has its limits which are defined by the moving parts and governed by the laws of physics. It cannot rewind in 1/100th of a second, nor can it play the movie in a second. It has its limits within the physical laws.

If what I experienced can be accomplished at will then I should be able to figure out how to do it again or scientists should be able to simulate this phenomenon in a lab. Do you know of any such experiments?

I have heard of people who have photographic memories and such, and of speed reading programs, and mental training techniques.

Even so, it might be difficult or impossible to determine how this happens.

The presence of a human energy field has been seen in the photographing of auras. I have also 'felt' this field around certain people who were very disturbed. There are some people who can see these fields or see auras. I think to deny they exist is foolish at this point.

Yet I am not going to insist that the brain cannot be responsible for this kind of observation, but I kinda think there is more to it than just the brain.





So you believe that when you position a camera just right and can see an aura surrounding a person that this is representative of an energy field?

no photo
Fri 01/02/09 01:50 PM
So you believe that when you position a camera just right and can see an aura surrounding a person that this is representative of an energy field?


Aura's surround plant life too.

I don't know if it represents a human energy field. But perhaps it is a small glimpse of part of it.








no photo
Fri 01/02/09 01:56 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Fri 01/02/09 01:57 PM
For anyone interested, the human energy field is egg shaped and surrounds the entire human body.

I haven't read this article yet, but I will post the link
http://www.reiki.org/reikinews/ScienceMeasures.htm

I'm sure there will always be skeptics. Here is part of it if you are interested....

***********

As in many other areas of investigation, what we were absolutely certain about 20 years ago has changed dramatically. For example, in a few decades scientists have gone from a conviction that there is no such thing as an energy field around the human body, to an absolute certainty that it exists. Moreover, we have begun to understand the roles of energy fields in health and disease. Most people are simply not aware of this research, and persist in the attitude that there is no logical basis for energy healing.

The main reason for the change in outlook is that sensitive instruments have been developed that can detect the minute energy fields around the human body. Of particular importance is the SQUID magnetometer (1) which is capable of detecting tiny biomagnetic fields associated with physiological activities in the body. This is the same field that sensitive individuals have been describing for thousands of years, but that scientists have ignored because there was no objective way to measure it.





scoundrel's photo
Fri 01/02/09 02:17 PM

Following that, how can we even know that an object in the same place is the same object from one instant to the next?

Just a little something I had to throw out there.

:banana:


In the context of this one galaxy, we (all things in the Earth solar system locale) are moving at an astounding rate of speed, as well as moving around the axis of this globe at thousands of miles per hour. In the larger context of several galaxies, the orbital speed around the generalized central region of "space, as we are able to define it", there is another speed factor that is independent of light-speed measurement, since within each galaxy are gravitational forces sufficient to alter light's speed, along with the intergalactic variables that disturb the light.
So, our individual particles and brain-waves are moving through space, simultaneous with various unseen super-speed energies passing through all physically "stationary" matter.
Time...motion...change-of-location...IS the reality, whereas the "idea" of being motionless is false.

no photo
Fri 01/02/09 09:25 PM
In regards to all the motion in the universe.

Yes, everything moves. It is all moving in relation to what? Itself? Other universes?

Does not the speed of anything have to relate to something that is stationary or motionless?

If not, then it is all in relation to other things that are moving.



scoundrel's photo
Fri 01/02/09 10:14 PM

In regards to all the motion in the universe.

Yes, everything moves. It is all moving in relation to what? Itself? Other universes?

Does not the speed of anything have to relate to something that is stationary or motionless?

If not, then it is all in relation to other things that are moving.





You are correct. The term "space" is actually the description of the non-identified whatever-it-is that separates the identified substances. For lack of a better term, it is called the space between particles, or simply space.
You are also correct in the relationship to any other thing.
Speed is the result of the equation of time and distance between measuring points A and B. In the absence of all but one iota, there is no motion relative to any other thing.
In the Origin, of either the Big Bang, or the Cyclical Big Bang, both theories rely upon the central/single mass of all mass--including the fabric of "space" itself, because of the supergravitational force of such singular mass condensing all light and all material/existence into one point.
That one point, that single focus of all material substance, cannot therefore be moving. There is no "other" to be relative to...zero distance.
Yet trillions of years of actual time might pass during the zero-speed phase. Distance is not zero, since there is measurable mass, but motion is effectively zero. Time, therefore, can exist without motion...but that is in theory. :wink: laugh

no photo
Fri 01/02/09 10:28 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Fri 01/02/09 10:32 PM


In regards to all the motion in the universe.

Yes, everything moves. It is all moving in relation to what? Itself? Other universes?

Does not the speed of anything have to relate to something that is stationary or motionless?

If not, then it is all in relation to other things that are moving.





You are correct. The term "space" is actually the description of the non-identified whatever-it-is that separates the identified substances. For lack of a better term, it is called the space between particles, or simply space.
You are also correct in the relationship to any other thing.
Speed is the result of the equation of time and distance between measuring points A and B. In the absence of all but one iota, there is no motion relative to any other thing.
In the Origin, of either the Big Bang, or the Cyclical Big Bang, both theories rely upon the central/single mass of all mass--including the fabric of "space" itself, because of the supergravitational force of such singular mass condensing all light and all material/existence into one point.
That one point, that single focus of all material substance, cannot therefore be moving. There is no "other" to be relative to...zero distance.
Yet trillions of years of actual time might pass during the zero-speed phase. Distance is not zero, since there is measurable mass, but motion is effectively zero. Time, therefore, can exist without motion...but that is in theory. :wink: laugh


Very interesting indeed.

It is my thought that a perception of "time" (if you want to call that existing...) can be observed without the motion of "matter" after having experienced being "frozen in time" as it relates to this reality or universe.

In the instant that I was "frozen in this space-time," I perceived "time" solely by the observation of the passage of my own thoughts and not by the movement of matter.

Therefore I am thinking that "thoughts" and consciousness can exist outside of this particular space-time. (or can be separate from other space-time universes.)

Which leads me to think that each "thinking center" which is conscious and produces thought has its own space-time mechanisms.


Fanta46's photo
Fri 01/02/09 10:40 PM
According to my pay stub it does!
Not only time but time and a half and double time!:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

TheLonelyWalker's photo
Fri 01/02/09 10:46 PM

According to my pay stub it does!
Not only time but time and a half and double time!:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

nice to see you fanta.
I have a good news for you. I'm back in my country. One illegal less in the glorious United States.rofl rofl rofl

Fanta46's photo
Fri 01/02/09 11:02 PM
shades I was hoping you would become a US citizen!waving

TheLonelyWalker's photo
Fri 01/02/09 11:09 PM

shades I was hoping you would become a US citizen!waving

I couldn't find an american girl to marry me for money.:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:
very pathetic, I know!!!!!!!

Fanta46's photo
Fri 01/02/09 11:20 PM


shades I was hoping you would become a US citizen!waving

I couldn't find an american girl to marry me for money.:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:
very pathetic, I know!!!!!!!


LMAO!!!
Not even a Transgender???

rofl rofl rofl rofl

TheLonelyWalker's photo
Fri 01/02/09 11:25 PM



shades I was hoping you would become a US citizen!waving

I couldn't find an american girl to marry me for money.:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:
very pathetic, I know!!!!!!!


LMAO!!!
Not even a Transgender???

rofl rofl rofl rofl

they messed me up when they overruled gay marriage in California.rofl rofl rofl

scoundrel's photo
Sat 01/03/09 07:37 AM


Very interesting indeed.

It is my thought that a perception of "time" (if you want to call that existing...) can be observed without the motion of "matter" after having experienced being "frozen in time" as it relates to this reality or universe.

In the instant that I was "frozen in this space-time," I perceived "time" solely by the observation of the passage of my own thoughts and not by the movement of matter.

Therefore I am thinking that "thoughts" and consciousness can exist outside of this particular space-time. (or can be separate from other space-time universes.)

Which leads me to think that each "thinking center" which is conscious and produces thought has its own space-time mechanisms.




In the popular quote, "We are God's dream." Or its relative, "We are living someone else's dream...and they are soon to awaken." The nature of self-experience is linked to the much-disputed higher consciousness (which exists at will, inquiring within this universe but also existing in self-sufficiency external to this universe), and the purpose of the cultivation and progress of humanity is to grow out of the individualistic cocoon and to make our way into oneness with the cosmic masters.
The "thinking center" that you refer to has been postulated as one cog in the mechanism of our journey upward to link with the greater Mind, as is our purpose/destiny. This lingo is common to many religions and other spiritual enlightenment arts, each of which ascribes a greater power that we may tap into and become more than our former "alone" selves were. Kundalini force, or myriad other designations of the focusing and channeling of the greater power/consciousness into and through and with our own awareness, is a magnetic/attractive concept. Time is mentioned in these practices as a factor to be managed, as if we are not always shackled as its slave, but we can become somewhat independent of it. If these things have an element of truth in common, then the "thinking center" could indeed start/grow within the boundaries of time, but progress into the maturation that is independent of the crib into which we are born. The crib is necessary, but maturation and independence is the goal, in order to bring other like-minded spirits to reach the same next-to-nirvana existence.
Communion transcends distance, except that our mortal shell is subject to distance/time, as this body is our crib of growth into the greater life.

It makes sense, of a sort, that entropy and decay should be relegated to the physical plane, while the goal of transcendence (once reached) should nurture/manage/empower the physical plane for the purpose of future generations.

no photo
Sat 01/03/09 08:46 AM



Very interesting indeed.

It is my thought that a perception of "time" (if you want to call that existing...) can be observed without the motion of "matter" after having experienced being "frozen in time" as it relates to this reality or universe.

In the instant that I was "frozen in this space-time," I perceived "time" solely by the observation of the passage of my own thoughts and not by the movement of matter.

Therefore I am thinking that "thoughts" and consciousness can exist outside of this particular space-time. (or can be separate from other space-time universes.)

Which leads me to think that each "thinking center" which is conscious and produces thought has its own space-time mechanisms.




In the popular quote, "We are God's dream." Or its relative, "We are living someone else's dream...and they are soon to awaken." The nature of self-experience is linked to the much-disputed higher consciousness (which exists at will, inquiring within this universe but also existing in self-sufficiency external to this universe), and the purpose of the cultivation and progress of humanity is to grow out of the individualistic cocoon and to make our way into oneness with the cosmic masters.
The "thinking center" that you refer to has been postulated as one cog in the mechanism of our journey upward to link with the greater Mind, as is our purpose/destiny. This lingo is common to many religions and other spiritual enlightenment arts, each of which ascribes a greater power that we may tap into and become more than our former "alone" selves were. Kundalini force, or myriad other designations of the focusing and channeling of the greater power/consciousness into and through and with our own awareness, is a magnetic/attractive concept. Time is mentioned in these practices as a factor to be managed, as if we are not always shackled as its slave, but we can become somewhat independent of it. If these things have an element of truth in common, then the "thinking center" could indeed start/grow within the boundaries of time, but progress into the maturation that is independent of the crib into which we are born. The crib is necessary, but maturation and independence is the goal, in order to bring other like-minded spirits to reach the same next-to-nirvana existence.
Communion transcends distance, except that our mortal shell is subject to distance/time, as this body is our crib of growth into the greater life.

It makes sense, of a sort, that entropy and decay should be relegated to the physical plane, while the goal of transcendence (once reached) should nurture/manage/empower the physical plane for the purpose of future generations.




You make perfect sense to me. Awesome! drinker