Topic: "Who created God? Where did God come from?"
yellowrose10's photo
Wed 07/14/10 04:44 PM
Answer: A common argument from atheists and skeptics is that if all things need a cause, then God must also need a cause. The conclusion is that if God needed a cause, then God is not God (and if God is not God, then of course there is no God). This is a slightly more sophisticated form of the basic question “Who made God?” Everyone knows that something does not come from nothing. So, if God is a “something,” then He must have a cause, right?

The question is tricky because it sneaks in the false assumption that God came from somewhere and then asks where that might be. The answer is that the question does not even make sense. It is like asking, “What does blue smell like?” Blue is not in the category of things that have a smell, so the question itself is flawed. In the same way, God is not in the category of things that are created or caused. God is uncaused and uncreated—He simply exists.

How do we know this? We know that from nothing, nothing comes. So, if there were ever a time when there was absolutely nothing in existence, then nothing would have ever come into existence. But things do exist. Therefore, since there could never have been absolutely nothing, something had to have always been in existence. That ever-existing thing is what we call God. God is the uncaused Being that caused everything else to come into existence. God is the uncreated Creator who created the universe and everything in it.

http://gotquestions.org/questweek.html

I thought this was interesting

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Wed 07/14/10 05:16 PM
i was in church and a child asked that same ? the priest told the child that is ware belief comes in to play.

CowboyGH's photo
Wed 07/14/10 05:18 PM
God is the alpha and the omega, the begining and the end. There was nothing before God because God has always been. So therefor does not need a creator either because he just has always been and always will be.

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Thu 07/15/10 06:07 AM

KJV: John Chapter 1

[1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

[2] The same was in the beginning with God.

[3] All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.:smile:


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Thu 07/15/10 08:06 PM
"In the beginning, God......."

There are some things we will never be able to adequately explain; God is infinite, yet we are finite.....

"Without faith it is impossible to please God, for those who come to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him." Hebrews 11:6

So, "In the beginning" is enough for me. May faith carry us where reason cannot go!

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Fri 07/16/10 01:51 PM

"In the beginning, God......."

There are some things we will never be able to adequately explain; God is infinite, yet we are finite.....

"Without faith it is impossible to please God, for those who come to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him." Hebrews 11:6

So, "In the beginning" is enough for me. May faith carry us where reason cannot go!


amen!!!

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Fri 07/16/10 06:44 PM

Answer: A common argument from atheists and skeptics is that if all things need a cause, then God must also need a cause. The conclusion is that if God needed a cause, then God is not God (and if God is not God, then of course there is no God). This is a slightly more sophisticated form of the basic question “Who made God?” Everyone knows that something does not come from nothing. So, if God is a “something,” then He must have a cause, right?

The question is tricky because it sneaks in the false assumption that God came from somewhere and then asks where that might be. The answer is that the question does not even make sense. It is like asking, “What does blue smell like?” Blue is not in the category of things that have a smell, so the question itself is flawed. In the same way, God is not in the category of things that are created or caused. God is uncaused and uncreated—He simply exists.

How do we know this? We know that from nothing, nothing comes. So, if there were ever a time when there was absolutely nothing in existence, then nothing would have ever come into existence. But things do exist. Therefore, since there could never have been absolutely nothing, something had to have always been in existence. That ever-existing thing is what we call God. God is the uncaused Being that caused everything else to come into existence. God is the uncreated Creator who created the universe and everything in it.

http://gotquestions.org/questweek.html

I thought this was interesting
well, God is infinite - np beginning- no ending, but frankly, I think
God is from New jersy

suebilly's photo
Fri 07/16/10 08:32 PM
yes.. Amen

suebilly's photo
Fri 07/16/10 08:33 PM
yes he is.

metalwing's photo
Fri 07/16/10 09:06 PM


Answer: A common argument from atheists and skeptics is that if all things need a cause, then God must also need a cause. The conclusion is that if God needed a cause, then God is not God (and if God is not God, then of course there is no God). This is a slightly more sophisticated form of the basic question “Who made God?” Everyone knows that something does not come from nothing. So, if God is a “something,” then He must have a cause, right?

The question is tricky because it sneaks in the false assumption that God came from somewhere and then asks where that might be. The answer is that the question does not even make sense. It is like asking, “What does blue smell like?” Blue is not in the category of things that have a smell, so the question itself is flawed. In the same way, God is not in the category of things that are created or caused. God is uncaused and uncreated—He simply exists.

How do we know this? We know that from nothing, nothing comes. So, if there were ever a time when there was absolutely nothing in existence, then nothing would have ever come into existence. But things do exist. Therefore, since there could never have been absolutely nothing, something had to have always been in existence. That ever-existing thing is what we call God. God is the uncaused Being that caused everything else to come into existence. God is the uncreated Creator who created the universe and everything in it.

http://gotquestions.org/questweek.html

I thought this was interesting
well, God is infinite - np beginning- no ending, but frankly, I think
God is from New jersy


Texas actually!

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Tue 07/20/10 01:49 PM
I have felt God in Arkansas. He sure gets around.:smile:

bigojockey's photo
Mon 09/13/10 03:20 PM

Answer: A common argument from atheists and skeptics is that if all things need a cause, then God must also need a cause. The conclusion is that if God needed a cause, then God is not God (and if God is not God, then of course there is no God). This is a slightly more sophisticated form of the basic question “Who made God?” Everyone knows that something does not come from nothing. So, if God is a “something,” then He must have a cause, right?

The question is tricky because it sneaks in the false assumption that God came from somewhere and then asks where that might be. The answer is that the question does not even make sense. It is like asking, “What does blue smell like?” Blue is not in the category of things that have a smell, so the question itself is flawed. In the same way, God is not in the category of things that are created or caused. God is uncaused and uncreated—He simply exists.

How do we know this? We know that from nothing, nothing comes. So, if there were ever a time when there was absolutely nothing in existence, then nothing would have ever come into existence. But things do exist. Therefore, since there could never have been absolutely nothing, something had to have always been in existence. That ever-existing thing is what we call God. God is the uncaused Being that caused everything else to come into existence. God is the uncreated Creator who created the universe and everything in it.

http://gotquestions.org/questweek.html

I thought this was interesting
i found this very interesting too.it reminded me of an old riddle from school.3 men rent a hotel room for thirty dollars and pay 10 dollars each.after they get to the room ,the bellboy comes and tells them the room was only 25 dollars and has a 5 dollar refund for them.they each take a dollar and let the bellboy keep the 2.then whoever tells the riddle says, they paid 9 dollars each,3x9 is 27,plus the 2 for the bellboy is 29.what happened to the other dollar?

metalwing's photo
Tue 09/14/10 06:32 AM
Actually, if you follow Einstein's theories of space and time and compare it to modern theories of physics, you get the possibility that time is just another variable that seems to be linear in our reality but may not be so in other realities. Time may not have a beginning or end as we commonly view it. As such, looking back in time for an entity or concept that may exist outside of time may not have any meaning.

The concept of God may simply be beyond mankind's ability to understand.

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Tue 09/14/10 10:45 AM
Edited by CeriseRose on Tue 09/14/10 10:56 AM


Answer: A common argument from atheists and skeptics is that if all things need a cause, then God must also need a cause. The conclusion is that if God needed a cause, then God is not God (and if God is not God, then of course there is no God). This is a slightly more sophisticated form of the basic question “Who made God?” Everyone knows that something does not come from nothing. So, if God is a “something,” then He must have a cause, right?

The question is tricky because it sneaks in the false assumption that God came from somewhere and then asks where that might be. The answer is that the question does not even make sense. It is like asking, “What does blue smell like?” Blue is not in the category of things that have a smell, so the question itself is flawed. In the same way, God is not in the category of things that are created or caused. God is uncaused and uncreated—He simply exists.

How do we know this? We know that from nothing, nothing comes. So, if there were ever a time when there was absolutely nothing in existence, then nothing would have ever come into existence. But things do exist. Therefore, since there could never have been absolutely nothing, something had to have always been in existence. That ever-existing thing is what we call God. God is the uncaused Being that caused everything else to come into existence. God is the uncreated Creator who created the universe and everything in it.

http://gotquestions.org/questweek.html

I thought this was interesting
i found this very interesting too.it reminded me of an old riddle from school.3 men rent a hotel room for thirty dollars and pay 10 dollars each.after they get to the room ,the bellboy comes and tells them the room was only 25 dollars and has a 5 dollar refund for them.they each take a dollar and let the bellboy keep the 2.then whoever tells the riddle says, they paid 9 dollars each,3x9 is 27,plus the 2 for the bellboy is 29.what happened to the other dollar?


After price change
the hotel kept $25.00
refunded $5.00
Each man paid only $8.00 ...
2 men paid $8.33=$16.66
1 man paid $8.34
totalling $25.00
they gave bellboy $2.00 of their $5.00 refund
slaphead


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Tue 09/14/10 10:58 AM



Answer: A common argument from atheists and skeptics is that if all things need a cause, then God must also need a cause. The conclusion is that if God needed a cause, then God is not God (and if God is not God, then of course there is no God). This is a slightly more sophisticated form of the basic question “Who made God?” Everyone knows that something does not come from nothing. So, if God is a “something,” then He must have a cause, right?

The question is tricky because it sneaks in the false assumption that God came from somewhere and then asks where that might be. The answer is that the question does not even make sense. It is like asking, “What does blue smell like?” Blue is not in the category of things that have a smell, so the question itself is flawed. In the same way, God is not in the category of things that are created or caused. God is uncaused and uncreated—He simply exists.

How do we know this? We know that from nothing, nothing comes. So, if there were ever a time when there was absolutely nothing in existence, then nothing would have ever come into existence. But things do exist. Therefore, since there could never have been absolutely nothing, something had to have always been in existence. That ever-existing thing is what we call God. God is the uncaused Being that caused everything else to come into existence. God is the uncreated Creator who created the universe and everything in it.

http://gotquestions.org/questweek.html

I thought this was interesting
i found this very interesting too.it reminded me of an old riddle from school.3 men rent a hotel room for thirty dollars and pay 10 dollars each.after they get to the room ,the bellboy comes and tells them the room was only 25 dollars and has a 5 dollar refund for them.they each take a dollar and let the bellboy keep the 2.then whoever tells the riddle says, they paid 9 dollars each,3x9 is 27,plus the 2 for the bellboy is 29.what happened to the other dollar?


After price change
the hotel kept $25.00
refunded $5.00
(Each man paid only $8.00 and change...)
2 men paid $8.33=$16.66
1 man paid $8.34
totalling $25.00
they gave bellboy $2.00 of their $5.00 refund
slaphead



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Wed 09/29/10 08:42 AM

If God Created Everything, Who Created God?



How did God get here?

Richard Dawkins, among other atheists, thinks he has the ultimate proof that God doesn't exist. If God created a complex universe, wouldn't it take an even more complex entity to have created God? However, such logic assumes that time has always existed, rather than being merely a construct of this universe.


Introduction:

Who created God? It is an age-old question that has plagued all those who like to think about the big questions. Having grown up as an agnostic non-Christian, it provided me with a potential reason why there might not be any god. Various religions tend to solve the problem in different ways. The LDS church (Mormonism) says that the God (Elohim) to whom we are accountable had a father god, then grew up on a planet as a man, and progressed to become a god himself. Many other religions have claimed that gods beget other gods. Of course the problem with this idea is how did the first god get here? This problem of infinite regression invalidates such religions. Christianity claims that God has always existed. Is this idea even possible? Does science address such issues?



Christianity's answer:

Christianity answers the question of who created God in the very first verse of the very first book, Genesis:

In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth (Genesis 1:1)

This verse tells us that God was acting before time when He created the universe. Many other verses from the New Testament tells us that God was acting before time began, and so, He created time, along with the other dimensions of our universe:

No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. (1 Corinthians 2:7)
This grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the beginning of time (2 Timothy 1:9)
The hope of eternal life, which God... promised before the beginning of time (Titus 1:2)
To the only God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen. (Jude 1:25)
The idea that God created time, along with the physical universe, is not just some wacky modern Christian interpretation of the Bible. Justin Martyr, a second century Christian apologist, in his Hortatory Address to the Greeks, said that Plato got the idea that time was created along with the universe from Moses:

"And from what source did Plato draw the information that time was created along with the heavens? For he wrote thus: “Time, accordingly, was created along with the heavens; in order that, coming into being together, they might also be together dissolved, if ever their dissolution should take place.” Had he not learned this from the divine history of Moses?"1

God exists in timeless eternity:

How does God acting before time began get around the problem of God's creation? There are two possible interpretations of these verses. One is that God exists outside of time. Since we live in a universe of cause and effect, we naturally assume that this is the only way in which any kind of existence can function. However, the premise is false. Without the dimension of time, there is no cause and effect, and all things that could exist in such a realm would have no need of being caused, but would have always existed. Therefore, God has no need of being created, but, in fact, created the time dimension of our universe specifically for a reason - so that cause and effect would exist for us. However, since God created time, cause and effect would never apply to His existence.

God exists in multiple dimension of time:

The second interpretation is that God exists in more than one dimension of time. Things that exist in one dimension of time are restricted to time's arrow and are confined to cause and effect. However, two dimensions of time form a plane of time, which has no beginning and no end and is not restricted to any single direction. A being that exists in at least two dimension of time can travel anywhere in time and yet never had a beginning, since a plane of time has no starting point. Either interpretation leads one to the conclusion that God has no need of having been created.

Why can't the universe be eternal?:

The idea that God can be eternal leads us to the idea that maybe the universe is eternal, and, therefore, God doesn't need to exist at all. Actually, this was the prevalent belief of atheists before the observational data of the 20th century strongly refuted the idea that the universe was eternal. This fact presented a big dilemma for atheists, since a non-eternal universe implied that it must have been caused. Maybe Genesis 1:1 was correct! Not to be dismayed by the facts, atheists have invented some metaphysical "science" that attempt to explain away the existence of God. Hence, most atheistic cosmologists believe that we see only the visible part of a much larger "multiverse" that randomly spews out universes with different physical parameters.2 Since there is no evidence supporting this idea (nor can there be, according to the laws of the universe), it is really just a substitute "god" for atheists. And, since this "god" is non-intelligent by definition, it requires a complex hypothesis, which would be ruled out if we use Occam's razor, which states that one should use the simplest logical explanation for any phenomenon. Purposeful intelligent design of the universe makes much more sense, especially based upon what we know about the design of the universe.

What does science say about time?:

When Stephen Hawking, George Ellis, and Roger Penrose extended the equations for general relativity to include space and time, the results showed that time has a beginning - at the moment of creation (i.e., the Big Bang).3 In fact, if you examine university websites, you will find that many professors make such a claim - that the universe had a beginning and that this beginning marked the beginning of time (see The Universe is Not Eternal, But Had A Beginning). Such assertions support the Bible's claim that time began at the creation of the universe.

Conclusion:

God has no need to have been created, since He exists either outside time (where cause and effect do not operate) or within multiple dimensions of time (such that there is no beginning of God's plane of time). Hence God is eternal, having never been created. Although it is possible that the universe itself is eternal, eliminating the need for its creation, observational evidence contradicts this hypothesis, since the universe began to exist a finite ~13.7 billion years ago. The only possible escape for the atheist is the invention of a kind of super universe, which can never be confirmed experimentally (hence it is metaphysical in nature, and not scientific).

By Rich Deem
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/who_created_god.html#top

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Mon 10/04/10 12:31 AM



After price change
the hotel kept $25.00
refunded $5.00
Each man paid only $8.00 ...
2 men paid $8.33=$16.66
1 man paid $8.34
totalling $25.00
they gave bellboy $2.00 of their $5.00 refund
slaphead





Close... but not quite. They each DID in fact pay $9 each. 9x3 = 27. $25 went to the hotel, and $2 went to the bellboy. You were correct except for where you said they only paid $8 each. (Which, arguably, yes, they did only pay the HOTEL the amount you stated... however, they over-all spent $9 each)

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Tue 10/05/10 04:42 AM

"He hath made every thing beautiful

in his time:

also

he hath set the world in their heart,

so that

no man can find out

the work that God maketh

from the beginning to the end."


Ecclesiastes 3:11