The Real Murderers: Atheism or Christianity?


Is it legitimate to condemn religion for historical atrocities?


http://www.str.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=5527

Well of course there are Thumper organizations fighting the truth.

"All those who persistently reject Jesus Christ in the present life shall be raised from the dead and throughout eternity exist in a state of conscious, endless torment and anguish"

I reject your Jesus Christ fully and in defense of humanity!



Funny, they don't mention this Christian very much...

Very...typical response.

Surely you didn't expect me to take this seriously...

bigotry kills,,,whatever umbrella it hides under and it hides under many ( politics, religion, nationality, patriotism, etc,,)

Isn't it interesting how that site has things for sale? And it all disses Unbelievers? Makes one wonder about their motives, not to mention their objectivism.

It looks to me like it takes the Pontius Pilate approach to religion and war-- " I find no evil and I wash my hands of it."

I guess my question is how many times can you look the other way in the face of the Old Testament genocides and things like the Spanish Inquisition since the New Testament's been out. How many deaths do there have to be before it's wrong? There are a LOT of Far Right Christians in the U.S. who are all for nuking Iran.


-Kerry O.

Athiest are the real killers of this world not the Christians.

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/atrocities.html



REGIMES YEARS DEMOCIDE2 Atheist?
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U.S.S.R. 1917-87 61,911,000 Yes
China(PRC)949-87 35,236,000 Yes
Germany 1933-45 20,946,000 No
China 1928-49 10,075,000 No
Japan 1936-45 5,964,000 No
Chin(Mao Soviets)3 1923-49 3,466,000 Yes
Cambodia 1975-79 2,035,000 Yes
Turkey (Armenian Genocide) 1909-18 1,883,000 No
Vietnam 1945-87 1,670,000 Yes
Poland 1945-48 1,585,000 Yes
Pakistan 1958-87 1,503,000 No
Yugoslavia(Tito) 1944-87 1,072,000 Yes
North Korea 1948-87 1,663,000 Yes
Mexico 1900-20 1,417,000 No
Russia 1900-17 1,066,000 Yes
China (Warlords) 1917-49 910,000 No
Turkey (Ataturk) 1919-23 878,000 No
United Kingdom 1900-87 816,000 No
Portugal (Dictatorship) 1926-82 741,000 No
Indonesia 1965-87 729,000 No
LESSER MURDERERS 1900-87 2,792,000 ?
WORLD TOTAL 1900-87 169,202,000 107,047,000


Vox Day, in The Irrational Atheist, lists 22 atheistic regimes that committed 153,368,610 murders in the 20th century alone:

Murders by Atheists (20th Century) Country Dates Murders
Afghanistan 1978–1992 1,750,000
Albania 1944–1985 100,000
Angola 1975–2002 125,000
Bulgaria 1944–1989 222,000
China/PRC 1923–2007 76,702,000
Cuba 1959–1992 73,000
Czechoslovakia 1948–1968 65,000
Ethiopia 1974–1991 1,343,610
France 1793–1794 40,000
Greece 1946–1949 20,000
Hungary 1948–1989 27,000
Kampuchea/Cambodia 1973–1991 2,627,000
Laos 1975–2007 93,000
Mongolia 1926–2007 100,000
Mozambique 1975–1990 118,000
North Korea 1948–2007 3,163,000
Poland 1945–1948 1,607,000
Romania 1948–1987 438,000
Spain (Republic) 1936–1939 102,000
U.S.S.R. 1917–1987 61,911,000
Vietnam 1945–2007 1,670,000
Yugoslavia 1944–1980 1,072,000

Should we should be worried about people thrown to the lions in coliseums and torture chambers used by the British people.How about we worry about slaves building the pyramids for the Egyptians?

Why you worry about things that have happened at least 2,000 to 6,000 years ago and you act like Christians and Jews still carry out these threats on a daily basis is nothing but brain dead stupid.These events are ancient history and do not reflect in any way the attitude of Christians and Jews living in this world today.


Hey Kerry lets just bury our heads in the sand like a bunch of ostriches and totally ignore Islamic countries that are threating to destroy us "in one great ball of fire".Let's totally ignore the fact that in the last hundred years it has been Atheist countries who have started Wars and conflicts not the Christians.Let's write to our President and tell him we need to focus more on what the Christians did hundreds and thousands of years ago because Atheist and Muslims can't possibly be a danger to the World.

Some of us have more important things to worry about then people fighting before the pyramids were even built.We worry about current events with real people who are a real threat not dead people that turned to dust thousands of years ago.

Yes, actually there are very legitimate reasons to reject various religions for historical atrocities, and Christianity is, without a doubt, a prime example of a religion that should indeed be dismissed for this very reason.

It was Christians who used the Bible as inspiration to write the "Malleus Maleficarum", yet Jesus did nothing to prevent this atrocity from being carried out in his name and in the name of the religion that stole his name's sake.

Now you might ask, "Why should Jesus do anything about this? Men have free will, God cannot intervene, that would be a violation of Free Will".

But that's not even close to being true. Moreover, according to the Bible Jesus supposedly appeared to Paul and convinced Paul to stop his atrocities.

So if Jesus could do that, then he most certainly could have appeared before the monks that wrote the Malleus Maleficarum and simply told them not to do it. After all, they were Christian Monks and supposedly worshiped Jesus.

But this never happened.

Therefore, is perfectly reasonable to conclude that the religion that carries the name sake of Jesus is a false religion. It's clear that even if Jesus exists he doesn't support or endorse Christianity.

So the religion is clearly ungodly and cannot be trusted to have anything at all to do with even Jesus (especially if he was a demigod as they claim).

So the atrocities committed in the Name of Jesus are clearly an act of a false religion.

Atrocities committed by any other religions must conform to the powers that their gods are supposed to have.

Atrocities committed by atheists are moot since such acts can only be the acts of individuals and really have nothing to do with any supreme being.

But YES religions that commit atrocities are proof positive that those religions are clearly ungodly and cannot be representative of any God.

Therefore, Christianity cannot be a godly religion. Even if Jesus was a demigod, clearly Christianity does not represent him correctly or in truth. Christianity, at best, is a train-wrecked religion that simply stole the name of Jesus to perpetuate things like religious bigotry and hatred against all who refuse to worship Christianity.

Jesus clearly has nothing to do with Christianity. Whether he was a demigod or not.

It's all so stupid really...I mean saying these people died from atheism is absurd. They didn't kill because they had no god, they killed because they are azzholes...kinda like the people who support blind faith and the hatred that follows it.

I can prove it all day long...you guys can toss up your numbers and quote hearsay all day long, does not change the fact that religion is the main cause of disputes that have led to not only massive death but even as recently torture...and today civil rights discriminations and the same thumping in suppport of political cendidates who do not share American values.

Get out of my GD country already.

funny i still yet to see anyone claim that atheist leaders killed in the name of atheism.none have committed mass genocide to a nation full of one or mixed religions cause they were religious

I think you mean to ask "Nationalism or Religiosity?", not "Atheism or Christianity?".

And both Nationalism and Religiosity are guilty of severe 'historical atrocities'.

All this shows us is: if we throw off the evil influences of religion, we have to be careful not to replace it with another evil influence - like extreme nationalism. Atheism is no guarantee of ethical, humane conduct.

Gee, maybe because that's exactly what this thread is all about? You know-- HISTORY?? The root of 'historical'?

I ask again-- how many people have to be killed before it's wrong? Especially when it's done on the marching orders of 'loving God'?



So, just do it and get it over with. Vaporize a few million souls with nukes and tell your God they deserved a first strike. Maybe it will hasten Armageddon and the fulfillment of Revelations. Wouldn't that be nice?

Maybe he didn't believe in a God, but Stalin also sought to do away with the people who he thought were a threat to him with extreme prejudice.

BTW, isn't it funny how the WMDs were never found in Iraq, and THAT one was surely not started by an 'atheist nation.'

Nor was Viet Nam.

If you really knew the history of warfare, you'd be on the lookout for the people who are more like the Mongols, who pretty much decimated Islamic nations back in the middle ages. The Baath party regulars were amateurs compared to them.


-Kerry O.

It is a well established fact that Atheist dictators who started these Wars banned religion from their country and killed anyone who was practicing their religion.Many of these Atheist dictators banned religion specifically because the people who practiced religion held God as the supreme ruler of their country and their life.Not the dictator who was in power.This is the main reason Hitler hated and despised the Jews so much.They refused to accept him as the supreme ruler of Germany.


To say Atheist do not commit genocide in the name of Atheism is a lie.If dictators are killing people because they are not Atheist and believe in God then I would have to say the belief in Atheism was the cause of their death.This is no different than a Muslim cutting of the head of a non believer.

We are talking about Atheist and the murder they commit because Atheist dictators and their followers are a direct threat to our way of life more than any other form of belief.We don't need to go back 3,000 years.We can go back just in the last 50 and see the millions of people killed.In the future it will either be Islamic or Atheist countries that are going to be a threat to our future.It will not be Christian.


I don't remember the United states going to war for anything related to Christianity.The United states Government is not run according to the bible.It is not run by laws from the bible.It does not have courts run by the church.It does not have a Christian police or military using the bible to enforce laws.Priests and Bishops do not tell our Government what to do.

If you can prove that this war was started because of Christianity.That this on going War is being fought for Christianity,and that our government is using the bible to justify the War go ahead.When you present your case to the court your evidence will be ZERO!

If we were all the same color, and all of the same 'spiritual beliefs',,, I`d bet humans would still be killing each other.

Just want to make it simple and clear. "Christianity" kills no one. Tells us not to, quite simple. "Christians" may have killed in certain times through history, but in no way represents Christianity for it teaches quite the contrary.

Exactly right Cowboy!You will also not find any justification for someone going on a killing spree using the bible as the reason for your killing.If they do they are a liar and they are wrong.

real murderers=people