msharmony
Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 32619 |
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God is NOT a loving god.
we will all die, that is how we are designed,, I dont know what to tell those who have a feeling of entitlement to anything beyond that,,,,
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msharmony
Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 32619 |
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God is NOT a loving god.
QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: God cares, he loves, blah blah, and yet he sits up on a cloud watching us do horrid things to each-other like a pervert over a snuff film. For a man to have so much power and do nothing, how can anyone respect such a being, I certainly don't. If he was so all powerful and all knowing, then he would not make himself look like such an A$$hole. QUOTE: The problem is you. Hey, tell me where there's someone that's been kidnapped and I'll go string the kidnapper up to dry, I'm not the sadistic one, look to your god for that. God is not our servant,, he gives us the tools to be accountable for ourselves, and we wait for the consequences,, in nature in the justice system in our bodies or in the hereafter but in THIS world, he gives us our own control and HE doesnt have to guarantee intervention of every human beings agony when another human being chooses to put them through something,,, that still doesnt make him the sadistic one, its not his hands that MAKE Those things happen, its our own free will that guides our own hands,,, I've said it before and I'll say it again, you CANNOT have free will if there is a threat attached to your action or inaction. That is blackmailing one to get what they want. Are you TECHNICALLY choosing one path or another? Sure. But are you doing it on your own? No you're not, you can't do it if you are being told in effect "do this or die", doesn't work now, never will work and it doesn't matter how much you try to make it so. It is illogical. You either are totally free to choose one path or another or you're not, there's no inbetween. Beyond that, this God supposedly knows what we do before we do it anyway, so how are we freely choosing anything at all if it's set in stone before we ever do it??? The idea of free will just does not work under these conditions. what you call a threat, I call a consequence, and there is no action that doesnt have 'consequences' attached when we choose our action, we choose our range of consequences,, but its still a CHOICE,, we make up our own mind and than OUR MIND directs our body how to carry it out,,, we are going to die in the mortal world, whatever we do,,,,there is no threat there there is a promise that we might have everlasting life spiritually beyond the mortal 'life', that is actually a postive consequence that never had to be offered in the first place |
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msharmony
Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 32619 |
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God is NOT a loving god.
QUOTE: QUOTE: God cares, he loves, blah blah, and yet he sits up on a cloud watching us do horrid things to each-other like a pervert over a snuff film. For a man to have so much power and do nothing, how can anyone respect such a being, I certainly don't. If he was so all powerful and all knowing, then he would not make himself look like such an A$$hole. QUOTE: The problem is you. Hey, tell me where there's someone that's been kidnapped and I'll go string the kidnapper up to dry, I'm not the sadistic one, look to your god for that. God is not our servant,, he gives us the tools to be accountable for ourselves, and we wait for the consequences,, in nature in the justice system in our bodies or in the hereafter but in THIS world, he gives us our own control and HE doesnt have to guarantee intervention of every human beings agony when another human being chooses to put them through something,,, that still doesnt make him the sadistic one, its not his hands that MAKE Those things happen, its our own free will that guides our own hands,,, |
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msharmony
Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 32619 |
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God is NOT a loving god.
QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: All I can say that it's personal between the two of you. Religion Is Religion. If you are seek to justify what's in the world than you're going about it the wrong way! You aren't going to understand until you receive His Spirit. No one will! If you are hungry for the truth Seek HIM out! No one can really tell you Who He is or How he is...you have to experience Him! His words won't mean anything to you or be even be able to comprehend! Again you want answers You have to put aside everything that you have built up ...and let heart do the talking and seeking...that's all I can say! As far as the world Goes and it views and religion even I don't understand it either. It's cold, deadly, ruthless, heart stopping and oppressive ...He's SOOoOooOo Beyond what the world teaches and speaks of! I love Him so much sometimes it hurts...In a good way! Just to let you know ...I was near death ready to take my life and spoke to me! My heart cried out so Loud and he heard me came to me. I don't know what I'd do without Him...It's about you and Him together a Relationship THAT NO ONE can TOUCH! Put aside you anger and seek HIM Out...Yes the best way to get the answers you need! Sorry man, his words don't mean anything more to me than the words of the woman that wrote the harry potter book. Because that's the only "proof" that a god exists, is the fairy tail words written in a book. YOu really didn't get what I was saying...it's not just about His words alone!!! IT's about your heart and his,spirit and soul, Not just words! It Goes way beyond what you are thinking ... You must be willing that's all I can say! You don't seem to want that change, the truth... Good Luck in your search...Be blessed and well love by Yahushua! God doesn't want us to be robots, LOL. Pretty damned ironic that the most robotic speeches always seem to come from the religious folk. Unwavering unconditional love to a non-existent being. it's not about proof it's not about logic it's only about believing. Well by jove you've done it. I'm a believer. I'm gonna go apply to the Hogwarts school of witchcraft and wizardry, I'll be chatting it up with harry potter before I know it, all because I believe! Thank you for that. I think it only seems 'robotic' if its opinions that one doesnt agree with,, those same 'robotic' cliche arguments come from nonbelievers about why God cant exist/ is horrible,,,etc,,,, we believe or we dont believe but are all equally human and equally unable to PROVE to each other one way or the other,,, |
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msharmony
Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 32619 |
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God is NOT a loving god.
QUOTE: QUOTE: They are, lol, that's hardly the point I'm arguing, but a god as we currently "know" god to be, cannot exist under these circumstances, there's just too many contradictions in the bible. why cant he exist 'under these circumstances'? God cares, he loves, blah blah, and yet he sits up on a cloud watching us do horrid things to each-other like a pervert over a snuff film. For a man to have so much power and do nothing, how can anyone respect such a being, I certainly don't. If he was so all powerful and all knowing, then he would not make himself look like such an A$$hole. I love my children, once I have raised them, I cant control them when I 'watch' them do things that are wrong it doesnt mean I am a pervert,, it means that I Recognize their CHOICE to do so,,,,and their (hopefully) understanding of the potential consequences of their actoins I dont babysit my kids once they are adults and I dont expect God to be the babysitter to the human race either,,that doesnt mean he is a 'pervert',,, IMHO |
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msharmony
Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 32619 |
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God is NOT a loving god.
QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: you asked what about those that dont get the chance to escape,,,they get a chance to seek God,, they get a chance to be reborn, they suffer and it is always an awful thing in the flesh to suffer physically or mentally or emotionally BUT that is the consequence of giving EVERYONE free will, the other option would be just to control everyones actions and words, to have in effect a species of robots we are free humans and as HUMANS we choose to do terrible things to each other,,,,and sometimes its easy to blame he who created us instead of taking on the self accountability,,, Should the person that got kidnapped and raped for over a decade take on the "self-accountability". Get serious, someone in that situation most likely stops believing in any form of god after the first year or so. no, humans take accountability that we become and produce the types of personalities that can DO those things to others,,, the child doesnt have accountability,, but they do exist as humans amongst humans and all the RISKS that come with the human beings free will,,,, and Im sure many stop believing when such terrible things happen,,but it rains on the just and the unjust alike we are connected, and that connection sometimes rains down the consequences of our HUMAN wrongs on humans that are trying to do right,,,, I'm sorry but if you're not brainwashed idk what else to call it. If a god really does exist he has one f*cked up sense of humor and would be more likely to burn us with a giant magnifying glass like ants than to let us into the "kingdom of heaven". brainwashed into believing HUMANS are responsible for what they do to each other,,,,???? fine, guilty as charged,,, They are, lol, that's hardly the point I'm arguing, but a god as we currently "know" god to be, cannot exist under these circumstances, there's just too many contradictions in the bible. why cant he exist 'under these circumstances'? |
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msharmony
Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 32619 |
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God is NOT a loving god.
QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: you asked what about those that dont get the chance to escape,,,they get a chance to seek God,, they get a chance to be reborn, they suffer and it is always an awful thing in the flesh to suffer physically or mentally or emotionally BUT that is the consequence of giving EVERYONE free will, the other option would be just to control everyones actions and words, to have in effect a species of robots we are free humans and as HUMANS we choose to do terrible things to each other,,,,and sometimes its easy to blame he who created us instead of taking on the self accountability,,, Should the person that got kidnapped and raped for over a decade take on the "self-accountability". Get serious, someone in that situation most likely stops believing in any form of god after the first year or so. no, humans take accountability that we become and produce the types of personalities that can DO those things to others,,, the child doesnt have accountability,, but they do exist as humans amongst humans and all the RISKS that come with the human beings free will,,,, and Im sure many stop believing when such terrible things happen,,but it rains on the just and the unjust alike we are connected, and that connection sometimes rains down the consequences of our HUMAN wrongs on humans that are trying to do right,,,, I'm sorry but if you're not brainwashed idk what else to call it. If a god really does exist he has one f*cked up sense of humor and would be more likely to burn us with a giant magnifying glass like ants than to let us into the "kingdom of heaven". brainwashed into believing HUMANS are responsible for what they do to each other,,,,???? fine, guilty as charged,,, |
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msharmony
Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 32619 |
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God is NOT a loving god.
QUOTE: QUOTE: you asked what about those that dont get the chance to escape,,,they get a chance to seek God,, they get a chance to be reborn, they suffer and it is always an awful thing in the flesh to suffer physically or mentally or emotionally BUT that is the consequence of giving EVERYONE free will, the other option would be just to control everyones actions and words, to have in effect a species of robots we are free humans and as HUMANS we choose to do terrible things to each other,,,,and sometimes its easy to blame he who created us instead of taking on the self accountability,,, Should the person that got kidnapped and raped for over a decade take on the "self-accountability". Get serious, someone in that situation most likely stops believing in any form of god after the first year or so. no, humans take accountability that we become and produce the types of personalities that can DO those things to others,,, the child doesnt have accountability,, but they do exist as humans amongst humans and all the RISKS that come with the human beings free will,,,, and Im sure many stop believing when such terrible things happen,,but it rains on the just and the unjust alike we are connected, and that connection sometimes rains down the consequences of our HUMAN wrongs on humans that are trying to do right,,,, |
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msharmony
Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 32619 |
Topic:
God is NOT a loving god.
you asked what about those that dont get the chance to escape,,,they get a chance to seek God,, they get a chance to be reborn, they suffer and it is always an awful thing in the flesh to suffer physically or mentally or emotionally BUT that is the consequence of giving EVERYONE free will, the other option would be just to control everyones actions and words, to have in effect a species of robots we are free humans and as HUMANS we choose to do terrible things to each other,,,,and sometimes its easy to blame he who created us instead of taking on the self accountability,,, |
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msharmony
Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 32619 |
HEY LUV@@@@@@!!!!!
Whats up beautiful? Where ya been? Miss ya in these threads but so glad you are moving along with life,,, thats the way to do it rock and roll sista,,, 
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msharmony
Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 32619 |
QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: From a May 23, 2013 CBS Detroit story: QUOTE: A Michigan congressman has apologized after attending Louis Farrakhan’s appearance at a Detroit church during which the Nation of Islam leader made anti-Jewish remarks.
U.S. Rep. John Conyers joined Detroit City Council member JoAnn Watson and others at Fellowship Chapel for Farrakhan’s Friday speech. The Chicago-based minister denounced “Satanic Jews” and the “synagogue of Satan” that he said controls major U.S. institutions and said President Barack Obama has “surrounded himself with Satan … members of the Jewish community.” In a statement out Thursday, Conyers said, “Farrakhan made unacceptable racist, anti-Semitic, and homophobic statements” that Conyers condemns “in the strongest possible terms.” Tell me again why anyone opposed to racism would speak favorably about Louis Farrakhan? people arent all wrong or all right, they arent all bad or all good there is nooone who I Cannot personally speak something favorable about,,, but thats just me I also try to understand things in context when they seem ambiguous in black and white ,,are all jews satanic? or is he speaking of a subsect of jews who are also satanic? I wasnt there to understand his context, so I cant say,, I also happen to believe Jewish money(ie , money that traces back to jewish people or jewish founded organizations and companies) runs most of media,,,,whether its good or bad is not really something that Im firm about,,,, really? your defending this trash? we all know the "context" of what he was saying.... 
if you all say so,, Im sure you all actually listen to his speeches/interviews IN FULL on some regular basis instead of just repeating the media soundbytes and characterizations 
and he has the right to his opinion, as do all the people who have listened firsthand and NOT come to that conclusion |
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msharmony
Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 32619 |
QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: From a May 23, 2013 CBS Detroit story: QUOTE: A Michigan congressman has apologized after attending Louis Farrakhan’s appearance at a Detroit church during which the Nation of Islam leader made anti-Jewish remarks.
U.S. Rep. John Conyers joined Detroit City Council member JoAnn Watson and others at Fellowship Chapel for Farrakhan’s Friday speech. The Chicago-based minister denounced “Satanic Jews” and the “synagogue of Satan” that he said controls major U.S. institutions and said President Barack Obama has “surrounded himself with Satan … members of the Jewish community.” In a statement out Thursday, Conyers said, “Farrakhan made unacceptable racist, anti-Semitic, and homophobic statements” that Conyers condemns “in the strongest possible terms.” Tell me again why anyone opposed to racism would speak favorably about Louis Farrakhan? people arent all wrong or all right, they arent all bad or all good there is nooone who I Cannot personally speak something favorable about,,, but thats just me I also try to understand things in context when they seem ambiguous in black and white ,,are all jews satanic? or is he speaking of a subsect of jews who are also satanic? I wasnt there to understand his context, so I cant say,, I also happen to believe Jewish money(ie , money that traces back to jewish people or jewish founded organizations and companies) runs most of media,,,,whether its good or bad is not really something that Im firm about,,,, really? your defending this trash? we all know the "context" of what he was saying....
if you all say so,, Im sure you all actually listen to his speeches/interviews IN FULL on some regular basis instead of just repeating the media soundbytes and characterizations
Edited by msharmony on Sat 05/25/13 08:26 AM
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msharmony
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QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: Don't know how else you can perceive "satanic Jews" and Synagogue of Satan" any other way other than being anti-Semetic. Ive explained how same way that in a dicussion of rapists, I wouldnt perceive 'sick men' as an ANTI MAN statement context is significant,,,,,, You explained BS, it is what it is and fairycon makes it very clear that he hates anyone not black and muslim. I used to watch him when he had his public access show (cox carried it in the 80's) and this dude is the black version of tom metzger. I see no evidence of this 'hate' from this senior citizen, not any based in race or religion anyhow as I said, its all about personal perception,,,, people grow and change,, not twenty years ago, I saw a serial killer or rapist whenever I saw a white man so I cant speak to what he may have said or thought thirty years ago,, only what I have perceived since I started to research and read and listen to the man,,, It's obvious that your perception is biased. To the unbiased perception the man is obviously filled with racial hatred for anyone not muslim or black. yeah,, ok
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msharmony
Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 32619 |
QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: Don't know how else you can perceive "satanic Jews" and Synagogue of Satan" any other way other than being anti-Semetic. Ive explained how same way that in a dicussion of rapists, I wouldnt perceive 'sick men' as an ANTI MAN statement context is significant,,,,,, You explained BS, it is what it is and fairycon makes it very clear that he hates anyone not black and muslim. I used to watch him when he had his public access show (cox carried it in the 80's) and this dude is the black version of tom metzger. I see no evidence of this 'hate' from this senior citizen, not any based in race or religion anyhow as I said, its all about personal perception,,,, people grow and change,, not twenty years ago, I saw a serial killer or rapist whenever I saw a white man so I cant speak to what he may have said or thought thirty years ago,, only what I have perceived since I started to research and read and listen to the man,,,
Edited by msharmony on Sat 05/25/13 06:45 AM
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msharmony
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QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: From a May 23, 2013 CBS Detroit story: QUOTE: A Michigan congressman has apologized after attending Louis Farrakhan’s appearance at a Detroit church during which the Nation of Islam leader made anti-Jewish remarks.
U.S. Rep. John Conyers joined Detroit City Council member JoAnn Watson and others at Fellowship Chapel for Farrakhan’s Friday speech. The Chicago-based minister denounced “Satanic Jews” and the “synagogue of Satan” that he said controls major U.S. institutions and said President Barack Obama has “surrounded himself with Satan … members of the Jewish community.” In a statement out Thursday, Conyers said, “Farrakhan made unacceptable racist, anti-Semitic, and homophobic statements” that Conyers condemns “in the strongest possible terms.” Tell me again why anyone opposed to racism would speak favorably about Louis Farrakhan? people arent all wrong or all right, they arent all bad or all good there is nooone who I Cannot personally speak something favorable about,,, but thats just me I also try to understand things in context when they seem ambiguous in black and white ,,are all jews satanic? or is he speaking of a subsect of jews who are also satanic? I wasnt there to understand his context, so I cant say,, I also happen to believe Jewish money(ie , money that traces back to jewish people or jewish founded organizations and companies) runs most of media,,,,whether its good or bad is not really something that Im firm about,,,, There is nothing ambiguous about Louis Farrakhan’s anti-Semitic remarks. He referred to all Jews as being satanic. To quote from the above-mentioned news story . . . QUOTE: Conyers said, “Farrakhan made unacceptable racist, anti-Semitic, and homophobic statements” that Conyers condemns “in the strongest possible terms.”
that is still someone elses PERCEPTION of what he said, that doesnt tell me anything about what he said or the context,,, U.S. Rep. John Conyers was a direct witness to what Louis Farrakhan said. Are you suggesting that U.S. Rep. John Conyers is making a false claim of racism? Im suggesting that his PERCEPTION may be wrong,,,, Farrakhan has been at it too many times to be taken wrong! 
according to you I have listened to probably alot more of his more RECENT opinions and philosophies, and I take that perception as completely wrong but the most popular media and ADL image ,,,, |
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msharmony
Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 32619 |
QUOTE: Don't know how else you can perceive "satanic Jews" and Synagogue of Satan" any other way other than being anti-Semetic. Ive explained how same way that in a dicussion of rapists, I wouldnt perceive 'sick men' as an ANTI MAN statement context is significant,,,,,, |
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msharmony
Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 32619 |
QUOTE: Nice play with words Harmony. As you have shown there is always a way to manipulate them to cover the truth on any subject. I take it that Farrakhan is a bigot and didn't vote for Rahm Emanuel. no intention to play with any words if you know of a perfect person who you agree with on 100 percent, or who speaks and does 100 percent correctly,,,,,you are certainly an exception the idea that anyone that has anything wrong with their words or actions is automatically wrong in anything they say or do is a fallacious one,,,,as is the idea that agreeing with someone is the same as 'following' them Farrakhan is labeled a bigot by many, its a matter of opinion I suppose and I dont know who he voted for,,,or why that would be relevant,,, |
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msharmony
Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 32619 |
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God is NOT a loving god.
QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: Hi new to this site. The remark GOD is not a loveing god. If you are referring to the GOD of the bible then you are wrong first GOD CHOOSES HOW MANY HE SAVES BASE ON HIS CHOICE BEFORE ANYTHING THAT WAS MADE MADE.BEFORE TIME ITSELF WAS.AND HE CHOOSES AT HIS WILL NOTICE I SAID CHOOSES NOT CHOOSE. FOR HE is the same today as yesterday it is called election.GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON TO MAKE ATONEMENT FOR US. THAT SON BEING JESUS AND ALL COME TO JESUS ARE BEING TAUGHT OF GOD ...DRAWN BY GOD...TO COME TO THE KNOWLEDGE OF JESUS. Jesus says that the world may know that I love the father I go to the cross.so to say that GOD IS NOT LOVEING THAT REMARK DOESN'T make sense. He's loving and yet he actively ALLOWS people to perish under his watch being able to prevent it but choosing not to on a whim? Yeah ok........ 
and why is perishing such a terrible thing in your view? did you ever consider this life is struggle and pain and illness and 'perishing' from it may actually be escaping it for a paradise instead,,,, 
another belief , Im sure but all anyone who still is living can do is believe something or another,, wont know till you know,,, |
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msharmony
Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 32619 |
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Marriage
QUOTE: Those of you who have never been, do you want to be? Those of you who have, do you want to do it again? Those of you who said yes, what makes marriage important to you? I have been in two unsuccessful marriages one ending due to repetitive infidelity(which translates to physical threat) and one ending due to plain abandonment I would like to have a real and SUCCESSFUL marriage marriage is important to me because I have a child who I want to have a more complete and solid family foundation to depend upon,,with both the male and female parent,and I want my partner and I to have a covenant with God,,,
Edited by msharmony on Fri 05/24/13 11:57 PM
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msharmony
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never heard of or met a pscyhic who did anything more than make random guesses which sometimes (statistically) hit homeruns,,
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