Please do tell. Please show some new testament verses that state sins carry from generation to generation. I'm only aware of them in the old testament, the old covenant laws. Please show some laws from the new covenant that also includes sins carrying down.

Forget Adam and Eve, forget King David, forget Moses, Forget the ten commandments, it was all in the old covenant. None of it applies to the new Christians I guess is what you are saying.

Cowboy wrote:

Incorrect.

You are born sinless, you are born pure. Adam/Eve's sin doesn't pass down to us any more because we are forgiven through the blood of Christ. Only in the old covenant did sins pass down from generation to generation. That is not included in the new covenant Jesus brought.

Are you saying then, that the old testament is a mote point now? That everyone should just throw it away? Nothing in the old Testament has any truth or meaning now?

You are wrong Cowboy.

The original Old Testament mythologies have clearly proclaimed that all women shall suffer in childbirth as punishment for Eve's sin.

Your claim that this has been forgiven through the blood of Christ, is clearly wrong. Women still suffer in the pain of childbirth to this very day. Thus Christ's blood would have washing away that curse of original sin.

So your interpretation can't stand.

It simply doesn't hold true.

So it's no doubt a myth that the blood of Jesus washed anything away other than his own sweat when he was crucified.

He was probably crucified by people like you who refused to accept his rejection of their dogma.

Had you been an obedient devoted Pharisee in the days of Jesus you would have viewed Jesus just as you view me. As someone who simply rejects your extremely dogmatic view of the God of Abraham.

Jesus would be in agreement with me, not with you.

You would have Jesus and me nailed to the pole side-by-side proclaiming us both to be blasphemers and heathens who reject your dogma of GOD!

Forget Adam and Eve, forget King David, forget Moses, Forget the ten commandments, it was all in the old covenant. None of it applies to the new Christians I guess is what you are saying.

No, he's not that consistent. He uses Jesus to support all of the bigotry, hatred, and male-chauvinism of the Old Testament.

Even even renounced Gay Marriage in Jesus' name, even though Jesus never even addressed this issue.

He also uses the ENTIRE NEW TESTAMENT as though it speaks for Jesus, including all the writing of Paul. But most of what Paul actually wrote was references to the Old Testament Dogma dredging all that up in Jesus' name.

In fact, Jesus isn't even in the New Testament at all really.

There is not a single solitary word in the New Testament that was written by Jesus. Not one single solitary word.

It's all hearsay rumors.

And much of what is being attributed to this man named Jesus was never even attributed to Jesus at all. Much of it was just the opinions of the authors of the New Testament.

For example.


John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.


John isn't even proclaiming that Jesus ever said this. On the contrary this is clearly being stated as John's opinion. It's not even being claimed to be a quote of Jesus.

The most famous verse in all of Chrisitanity didn't even come from Jesus!


John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


Jesus didn't say this. John did!

This is just John's opinion.

Jesus didn't even say this!

Jesus never claimed to be "The only begotten son of God".

On the contrary, when Jesus is actually claimed to be quoted he says that "I and the Father are one".

That's not a proclamation that he's the SON of God. That's a pantheistic proclamation that he is ONE with God.

Moreover when he was accused of blaspheme for having said this he replied, "Is it not written in your law, ye are gods?"

Jesus wasn't claiming to be any different from anyone else.

Cowboy wrote:

Not incorrect. The women do no beer the iniquities, the foul in God's eyes. Yes, they still have the pain of child birth, but that is because we are no longer in the Garden. We no longer live in the paradise. Jesus offers a way back to the paradise, he is the path to the paradise of God the father.

Cowboy wrote:

John relayed a message. Don't see what you're get'n at.

No Cowboy you are denying the fables.

It does not state in the fables that women will suffer childbirth merely because they are no longer in the garden of eden.

Why do you make things up? That is not what these fables say.

Do you realize that making up fibs like you do is indeed LYING?

No, that's not what the biblical fables claim. You are lying about that.

What the biblical fables claim is that Eve is being punished with this curse for her disobedience. And the Serpent is punished by making him craw on his belly for the rest of the days of his life.

And that's supposedly why snakes crawl on their bellies.

These fables say nothing about this being a mere consequence of just being kicked out of the garden of Eden.

Why do you feel justified to lie about scriptures?

Lying is lying.

Besides, you shouldn't have to lie. If the scriptures make sense you should be able to justify them for what they actually say. The mere fact that you do make things up and lie about what they actually say only shows that even you realize that they can't be supported in their actual form.

Again, you're making things up.

Did John state that he was relaying a message?

No.

Does it state anywhere in these fables that Jesus told John to tell people that he claims to be the only begotten son of God?

No.

This is clearly just an author of these rumors making things up and/or voicing his own personal opinions.

Nowhere in these scriptures do any of these authors actually report that Jesus himself ever proclaimed to be the "only begotten son of God".

John doesn't even claim that Jesus said this. Nor does he claim that Jesus told him to say it.

John just states this as a narrative opinion of his own making.

Cowboy wrote:

Not lying. In the garden of Eden women did not have the pain of child birth, outside of the garden women do including snakes have to crawl on their bellies. Is a punishment to the entire world, not a personal sin/punishment. You are not held accountable for your parents sins, your children won't be held accountable for your sins, and so forth. In the old covenant the children had to bear the sins of their parents. But that no longer applies to us, cause again that is in the old covenant and God has made a new one with us due to the fulfilment of the old.

Adam/Eve's sin doesn't pass down to us any more because we are forgiven through the blood of Christ.

I can find every one of the 10 commandments in the new testament if you wish.

Cowboy wrote:

They wouldn't have to say that. John was an apostle of Jesus Christ. As an apostle it was their obligation to preach the word given to them by Jesus. Would it be more intelligent to have multiple people spreading the laws, or just one person? What would be more sufficient, one or more people spreading the word of God to the world?

But where did they come from? From what covenant did they come from? Moses, right?

Is a punishment to the entire world.

You confess this yourself.

Yet you had just proclaimed:


But that can't be true because women still suffer in painful childbirth. If we had been forgiven that sin we would no longer be punished for it.

So your interpretations of these fables doesn't hold water.

The man that sparked the rumors of Jesus was most likely a mortal man who's blood couldn't wash away anything other than his own sweat.

The crucifixion of Jesus did not wash away any mythological "sins".

Even if Jesus was a Bodhisattva who had taken on disciples, it still wouldn't be right for them to make things up about him.

These rumors don't even claim that Jesus actually claimed to be the only begotten son of God.

On the contrary, they claim that Jesus' actual claim was that he and the Father are ONE!

So these rumors aren't even consistent within their own claims.

If all sins have been washed clean and forgiven, then where is the garden of Eden? I'd like to move back in there so I would have all this pain of growing old and where women could have children with no pain.