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Topic: The Trinity in the Old Testament.
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Thu 08/11/11 01:17 PM
We don't worship Jesus, we worship God through Jesus.


God is all in pantheism. Therefore we worship God through life itself. We worship life.drinker

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Thu 08/11/11 01:19 PM




Forget Adam and Eve, forget King David, forget Moses, Forget the ten commandments, it was all in the old covenant. None of it applies to the new Christians I guess is what you are saying.


I can find every one of the 10 commandments in the new testament if you wish.


But where did they come from? From what covenant did they come from? Moses, right?


Yes and no lol. The 10 commandments themselves were in the first covenant, which was fulfilled. But through the teachings of Jesus you will find every one of the 10 commandments. Again, not on a simple platter with it all gathered together with a thou shalt not... thou shalt not.. ect.


What EXACTLY do you mean when you say that the first covenant (whatever that is) was "fulfilled?"


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Thu 08/11/11 01:20 PM

We don't worship Jesus, we worship God through Jesus.


God is all in pantheism. Therefore we worship God through life itself. We worship life.drinker


We worship God through our obedience to his laws. Jesus gave us the laws, Jesus gave us the way.

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Thu 08/11/11 01:28 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Thu 08/11/11 01:28 PM


We don't worship Jesus, we worship God through Jesus.


God is all in pantheism. Therefore we worship God through life itself. We worship life.drinker


We worship God through our obedience to his laws. Jesus gave us the laws, Jesus gave us the way.


You keep throwing around the term "God's laws" as if you know what they are.

I keep asking you what you think God's laws are and you don't answer. Do you know what God's laws are, and if you think you do, then what are they?


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Thu 08/11/11 01:31 PM



We don't worship Jesus, we worship God through Jesus.


God is all in pantheism. Therefore we worship God through life itself. We worship life.drinker


We worship God through our obedience to his laws. Jesus gave us the laws, Jesus gave us the way.


You keep throwing around the term "God's laws" as if you know what they are.

I keep asking you what you think God's laws are and you don't answer. Do you know what God's laws are, and if you think you do, then what are they?




Hand a man a fish, feed him for a day. Teach the man how to fish, feed him for life. God's laws are included in the scriptures of the new testament. Seek and ye shall find. If you wish to know the laws, read'em.

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Thu 08/11/11 01:34 PM




We don't worship Jesus, we worship God through Jesus.


God is all in pantheism. Therefore we worship God through life itself. We worship life.drinker


We worship God through our obedience to his laws. Jesus gave us the laws, Jesus gave us the way.


You keep throwing around the term "God's laws" as if you know what they are.

I keep asking you what you think God's laws are and you don't answer. Do you know what God's laws are, and if you think you do, then what are they?




Hand a man a fish, feed him for a day. Teach the man how to fish, feed him for life. God's laws are included in the scriptures of the new testament. Seek and ye shall find. If you wish to know the laws, read'em.


I want to know what you believe is God's laws and why you believe that.

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Thu 08/11/11 01:35 PM
also Cowboy,

What EXACTLY do you mean when you say that the first covenant (whatever that is) was "fulfilled?"

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Thu 08/11/11 01:37 PM
Every Church I have ever been to always has a different list of what they think "God's Laws" are. They are never the same. That is why I ask people what they believe because I know they all have their own personal ideas.

So many people go way beyond the silly ten commandments and list hundreds of things they have determined are sins against God.


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Thu 08/11/11 01:40 PM





We don't worship Jesus, we worship God through Jesus.


God is all in pantheism. Therefore we worship God through life itself. We worship life.drinker


We worship God through our obedience to his laws. Jesus gave us the laws, Jesus gave us the way.


You keep throwing around the term "God's laws" as if you know what they are.

I keep asking you what you think God's laws are and you don't answer. Do you know what God's laws are, and if you think you do, then what are they?




Hand a man a fish, feed him for a day. Teach the man how to fish, feed him for life. God's laws are included in the scriptures of the new testament. Seek and ye shall find. If you wish to know the laws, read'em.


I want to know what you believe is God's laws and why you believe that.


I believe them, not because I was told, not because other's do. Because it feels right in my heart. When I speak to God I can feel his presence around me.

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Thu 08/11/11 01:43 PM

also Cowboy,

What EXACTLY do you mean when you say that the first covenant (whatever that is) was "fulfilled?"



A covenant is a pact given to someone(s) by another. It has but no limited to, do this and this will happen.

Example - You can make a covenant with your neighbour. If they keep their grass cut you will then keep yours leaves raked up during the next spring season.

Covenants only hold time for a certain allotted amount of time. In the case of the scriptures, it was till all prophesies be fulfilled.

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Thu 08/11/11 01:44 PM


also Cowboy,

What EXACTLY do you mean when you say that the first covenant (whatever that is) was "fulfilled?"



A covenant is a pact given to someone(s) by another. It has but no limited to, do this and this will happen.

Example - You can make a covenant with your neighbour. If they keep their grass cut you will then keep yours leaves raked up during the next spring season.

Covenants only hold time for a certain allotted amount of time. In the case of the scriptures, it was till all prophesies be fulfilled.


You still have not answered my question. What was the first covenant?

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Thu 08/11/11 01:45 PM

Every Church I have ever been to always has a different list of what they think "God's Laws" are. They are never the same. That is why I ask people what they believe because I know they all have their own personal ideas.

So many people go way beyond the silly ten commandments and list hundreds of things they have determined are sins against God.




The 10 commandments pretty much sums it all up pretty good.

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Thu 08/11/11 01:46 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Thu 08/11/11 01:47 PM






We don't worship Jesus, we worship God through Jesus.


God is all in pantheism. Therefore we worship God through life itself. We worship life.drinker


We worship God through our obedience to his laws. Jesus gave us the laws, Jesus gave us the way.


You keep throwing around the term "God's laws" as if you know what they are.

I keep asking you what you think God's laws are and you don't answer. Do you know what God's laws are, and if you think you do, then what are they?




Hand a man a fish, feed him for a day. Teach the man how to fish, feed him for life. God's laws are included in the scriptures of the new testament. Seek and ye shall find. If you wish to know the laws, read'em.


I want to know what you believe is God's laws and why you believe that.


I believe them, not because I was told, not because other's do. Because it feels right in my heart. When I speak to God I can feel his presence around me.


I still don't know what laws you are talking about. If they are the ten commandments, just say so. If there are more, then what else?

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Thu 08/11/11 01:47 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Thu 08/11/11 01:51 PM


Every Church I have ever been to always has a different list of what they think "God's Laws" are. They are never the same. That is why I ask people what they believe because I know they all have their own personal ideas.

So many people go way beyond the silly ten commandments and list hundreds of things they have determined are sins against God.




The 10 commandments pretty much sums it all up pretty good.


Those are not God's laws.

BLAH!!!

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Thu 08/11/11 01:50 PM



also Cowboy,

What EXACTLY do you mean when you say that the first covenant (whatever that is) was "fulfilled?"



A covenant is a pact given to someone(s) by another. It has but no limited to, do this and this will happen.

Example - You can make a covenant with your neighbour. If they keep their grass cut you will then keep yours leaves raked up during the next spring season.

Covenants only hold time for a certain allotted amount of time. In the case of the scriptures, it was till all prophesies be fulfilled.


You still have not answered my question. What was the first covenant?


It is the laws of the old testament. That is why the bible is split between the old and new testament. The old testament was the laws people before Jesus was to abide by and the outcome of such. And the new testament is the covenant Jesus brought.

Main difference between the two is how and when we are judged for our sins and transgressions towards God. In the old covenant we were judged by our peers, hand for a hand. We are judged by the Word. That is where the new testament begins, when the Word was made flesh eg., Jesus. Now the Word can carry out the judgement himself. And we are no longer judged for our sins on Earth when they happen, we have one final judgement for our sins. Any more specific you'll have to read them yourself. They are included in the old testament, gives all the information on the old covenant you need.

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Thu 08/11/11 01:57 PM




also Cowboy,

What EXACTLY do you mean when you say that the first covenant (whatever that is) was "fulfilled?"



A covenant is a pact given to someone(s) by another. It has but no limited to, do this and this will happen.

Example - You can make a covenant with your neighbour. If they keep their grass cut you will then keep yours leaves raked up during the next spring season.

Covenants only hold time for a certain allotted amount of time. In the case of the scriptures, it was till all prophesies be fulfilled.


You still have not answered my question. What was the first covenant?


It is the laws of the old testament. That is why the bible is split between the old and new testament. The old testament was the laws people before Jesus was to abide by and the outcome of such. And the new testament is the covenant Jesus brought.

Main difference between the two is how and when we are judged for our sins and transgressions towards God. In the old covenant we were judged by our peers, hand for a hand. We are judged by the Word. That is where the new testament begins, when the Word was made flesh eg., Jesus. Now the Word can carry out the judgement himself. And we are no longer judged for our sins on Earth when they happen, we have one final judgement for our sins. Any more specific you'll have to read them yourself. They are included in the old testament, gives all the information on the old covenant you need.


No thanks I don't have the time to read the Bible any more. I have too many other books to read. I've read the Bible too much already. Millions of people have read the Bible and they all disagree on what it means, so I have my doubt that reading the Bible once again is going to teach me anything at all.

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Thu 08/11/11 04:02 PM
Jeannie wrote:

No thanks I don't have the time to read the Bible any more. I have too many other books to read. I've read the Bible too much already. Millions of people have read the Bible and they all disagree on what it means, so I have my doubt that reading the Bible once again is going to teach me anything at all.


Truly,

All the different denominations of Christianity prove that the no one can agree on what the "laws" of God are.

In fact, if they were that clear everyone would still be Catholic and there would be no protesting Protestants.

Protestants have protested against Catholicism because they disagreed with the Pope's interpretation of what "God's Laws" are.

The Jews disagree that Jesus was the messiah.

The Muslims believe that Mohammad was the last prophet of God and therefore has the "Last Word".

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When I read the Bible seeking to understand "God's Laws" it instantly becomes crystal clear to me that there isn't any reason to believe those foolish fables have anything to do with any God.

It's crystal clear to me that they are nothing more than the opinions of men. Often times expressing highly bigoted and ignorant views, not the least of which is to support male chauvinism which I doubt any genuine God would support.

These fables also contain many threats of spiritual terrorism toward anyone who refuses to cower down to them. I don't see how a supposedly "all-wise" God could possibly use such an ignorant tactic.

That's the kind of tactic I would expects from mentally sick mortal men like Hitler, etc.

So if you ask me to read the Bible in search of "God's Laws" my answer is that I already have read it and I conclude that that it doesn't contain anything from God. Much less any "laws" from God.

Even the rumors in the New Testament clearly show that even Jesus rejected the teachings of the Torah as being immoral and ungodly.

It's crystal clear to me that Jesus rejected the Torah and instead taught the far higher moral values of Buddhism.

So if I get any "laws" from the Bible it would be the teachings of Jesus which are basically to reject the Hebrew fables and try to live up to the moral standards taught by Buddha instead.

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