In any case, if someone is abducted or kidnapped BY ANYONE, ALIEN OR HUMAN they should not be ridiculed or hushed up or made to look like they are "nuts."

Yet that is what happens. Some unknown agency has the specific job of covering up all evidence surrounding alien abductions, cattle mutilations etc.

These agencies are above top secret, hence they are no connected to the government at all.

she will, just wait for it...

I prefer to choose Dr. Steven Greer's approach to this subject.

see disclosureproject.org and cseti.org

Disinformation hides the obvious from the masses

Zionist, Markists, Communist, Dictators, are but a tiny cog in the wheel. Don't give yourself so much credit.

"Decoded" just did an episode on alien cover-ups. One of the interesting things brought up: Ronald Reagan insisted he saw a UFO in California back during the early '70s. For that reason, Reagan was very interested in UFO sightings. He even invited UFO investigators to Washington to meet with him personally....and had a team of scientists present for the meeting. The result: After the investigators turned over all their information and data, "This never happened. We were never here."

It was also mentioned that both Jimmy Carter and Mikhail Gorbachev believe in UFOs. That's three Heads of State from two Superpowers.

There are really two reasons why UFO believers are mocked.

The first is that the U.S. government has consistently avoided disclosure while also purposely seeking to discredit all reported UFO sightings. What they can't discredit just gets swept under the rug.

The second reason is that some UFO enthusiasts make some outlandish claims or propose some radical theories without hard evidence.

What many don't give thought to is that these so-called "kooks" are just trying to find explanations for phenomena that currently lack an adequately reasonable explanation. Some of them are very educated and believe in empirical research. I've been paying attention to some of the newer arguments, and as a skeptic, I have to admit that the cases being presented are much more convincing than in the past.

I've always had a difficult time believing that homo sapiens could be on Earth for more than 100,000 years while civilization has only existed for about 10,000 years. Mathematically, it is much more likely that man created civilization much earlier than currently believed. There are ancient texts and legends which hint toward this as well, including the Old Testament. Isn't it odd that most ancient religions possess a flood myth? Indian texts also describe a cataclysmic war, plus there are flooded cities which appear to be at least 15,000 years old. I've also believed that most religious myths and legends were originally based on real events, but were modified/exaggerated over time. All of these things are areas which alien theorists are now investigating to see if the ideas proposed in "Chariots of the Gods" have merit.

Whether any of this has to do with aliens or not, this research - which a spin-off of UFO sightings - is eventually going to have a substantial impact upon how we perceive human history. After all, Troy was just a myth until Heinrich Schliemann discovered the ruins based upon clues within The Iliad. My guess is that the truth lay somewhere in the middle, but we will never find it without the alleged "kooks" who think outside the box.

So, I acknowledge that aliens may exist, but I'm skeptical regarding how much contact they have actually had with humans. I'm also finding myself more willing to listen to such stories than I was 20 years ago. I bet there are a lot more people who can say the same.

actionlynx,

It is refreshing to hear an intelligent response to some of these "kooky" or controversial topics.

I saw a triangular object in the sky above my town a few years ago and rushed to get a camera but it had moved further away and what I have on the digital picture is so small it's hardly an impressive picture.

I saw a mutilated cow up close and personal and it was as weird as you might imagine.

I've also seen strange silent "headlights" in the sky while traveling in an isolated area from Denver to Lamar that came on and then went off.

I don't live far from areas in Colorado that have had significant sightings and stories from the alien chasing crowd. I got interested enough to talk to enough people that I became convinced that there is something going on that cannot be explained.

As a private investigator in Colorado Springs, I was once contacted by a strange person who claimed he had an implant in his tooth and that they were looking for him. I did not know who he meant by "they." He did seem like a kook.

I called the police to inquire about this guy and got a very strange and immediate response. They asked all kind of questions and said he had escaped from the State Hospital. The guy disappeared and stopped coming around, and suddenly I was being followed and staked out by another private investigator.

I never found out what that was all about, but it was certainly unusual.

Did you know that some Native American tribes have origin myths that claim they originally came from somewhere near Sirius?

I would have to dig out the book again, but it was written by a Native American with a PhD who had researched cultural similarities amongst North American tribes. He also noted linguistic similarities between not only distant tribes but also with some old (not modern) European languages.

Anyway, according to the myth, these tribes came from the heavens, but they also quite clearly name the location of Sirius in the night sky.

Yet other tribes claim to have come from beneath the earth, which is of note given the cave dwelling tribes which mysteriously disappeared before the arrival of Europeans.

The vast majority of indigenous tribes do not have any migration myths that might even remotely correspond to the accepted belief of a land bridge to Asia.

I have long wanted to read a translations of the Mahabharata and the Ramayana because these two texts seem to hold clues about ancient civilizations dating back to Sumeria (4th millenia BC).

The Mahabharata "gives a description of the various continents of the Earth, the other planets, and focuses on the Indian Subcontinent and gives an elaborate list of hundreds of kingdoms, tribes, provinces, cities, towns, villages, rivers, mountains, forests, etc. of the (ancient) Indian Subcontinent (Bhārata Varsha)." It also gives a detailed description, day by day, of a cataclysmic war which heavily impacted the entire Indian subcontinent.

Ramayana provides a glimpse at the culture, a window into ancient Hindu thought. Its stories provide a context for better understanding the Mahabharata. Whenever dealing with myths and legends, a cultural context is essential to understanding the thought processes of ancient peoples. Without that, we cannot find the historical truth hidden within the stories.

I have read of descriptions within the Mahabharata, but I found the sources (such as David Hatcher Childress) to be somewhat biased. Still, it piqued my curiosity enough to want to read the text myself so I could draw my own conclusions. If, based on my own historical knowledge, what I read provides enough clues to hint that ancient Hindus had at least some accurate knowledge of planets and continents prior to 1000 BC, this would raise a red flag that they possessed unusual knowledge for the time period. Then the question becomes, "how did they acquire such knowledge?" Alien theorists have already tackled this same topic, but I am hesitant to accept their interpretations without reading the Mahabharata for myself.

The Inuit claim they arrived in Alaska on board of Big Iron Birds,poohpoohing the accepted notion that they used a land-Bridge over the Bering-Straits!

then why are the referred to as "ufo's"f? why not call them alien space ships?



no, but there's a long history of humans doing those things.

Someone's been listening to convicted conman Bob Lazar to much..........

I would not know who you are referring to. I've never heard of Bob Lazar.

Well humans eat cows but they have never been caught doing the mutilating.

Humans also abduct people but I've never heard of any human caught dressed up like an alien in any abduction case.

So what long history are you talking about?

The Military actually has an abbreviation for a confirmed alien space craft but I forgot what it was. It is not "UFO."

Nobody Poo poos that theory that I know of. It does not debunk native claims of Iron Birds and "Ant people."

Scientists think that any lame alternative theory of a mystery will convince the masses that aliens don't exist and never did.

Like two drunks with sticks running around all over the world making crop circles. Why would they do that?

My sister worked on a sod farm, mowing. She found crop circles often. They were never even reported. She was told just to mow over them and ignore them.

scientists cannot have the same wild theories you have and still be called scientists... they look for the most logical way and look for ways to prove it, like the land bridge theory, which makes the most sense to all people. sometimes your fantasies get a little fantastic, to say the least. do you have any evidence to show that they came in "iron birds", or two men didn't make the crop circles?

also, a tribe in africa that said they came from the "dog star", and had homemade maps and charts to show that sirus( also called the dog star) which showed it was a binary system, something that wasn't proven till 100's years later with telescopes.

http://www.timestar.org/dog.htm

Some of what I am reading is why I don't spend as much time here on Mingle as I used to. I try to keep an open mind and to admit when I am wrong (not always successfully, mind you). To do that means not dismissing everything out of hand. And that means accepting that I don't have the answers for everything. Yet, I don't have to believe everything that others tell me, no matter how passionate they are.

There is a lot about history, the Earth, and the Universe we do not yet know or understand. To think we have all the answers, or that aliens have never ever visited Earth, is irrational and illogical. That does not mean we have to swing to the opposite extreme. It only means that we must be willing to question some of what we already "know". Some of it is bound to be wrong.

Recorded civilization has only existed for about 7,000 years, yet Homo Sapiens reportedly have existed on Earth for about 200,000. That's 193,000 years of human history that is mostly a giant blank in our knowledge. According to the same accepted beliefs, Homo Sapiens had existed for 150,000 years before developing our present cognitive ability. That still leaves 43,000 years of modern man living on Earth before civilization is believed to have developed. Given how much man's knowledge and technology has evolved in just 7,000 years, I find it very difficult to believe that it took somewhere from 6x to 27.5x that length of time just for humans to figure out how to domesticate animals, grow grains, and build cities. In order for currently accepted theory to hold up, an adequate impetus for suddenly building cities must be presented. It is this sudden spark, plus ancient engineering feats and the 'missing link' of human evolution, that have very intelligent and educated people researching theories of alien intervention. Currently accepted belief contains gaps which no one has yet been able to reasonably explain. This means that some of our current "knowledge" may very well be wrong. But if we don't question it, then we will never find the answers.

Interestingly enough, many of the most ancient of known civilizations existed with regions long known to be volcanically and/or seismically active. All of them began in areas with flood plains. That means there could numerous undiscovered ancient civilizations that were destroyed by natural disasters. Those same civilizations might hold the answers to ancient engineering feats which currently lack explanation. They might even provide clues toward the "missing link". If all our research and science cannot uncover such answers, then we must realistically consider alternative ideas, such as extraterrestrial intervention - which has been expanded by theorists to reluctantly include divine influence as well. Or perhaps uncovering these lost civilizations might provide proof that aliens really have influenced the course of human evolution. We simply don't know....yet.

So we shouldn't be so quick to dismiss anyone who talks of aliens and UFOs. That's really the point of the OP. I heard about this story. THOUSANDS of people all saw the same thing that the Governor of Arizona made fun of. It flew right over the city of Phoenix, AZ. This wasn't some sighting in a remote, sparsely populated area. It happened in highly populated area, where it could be seen from downtown. The Governor saw it too, but was afraid of being labeled a "kook" himself. So he tried to "play it cool", and it backfired. Obviously, that must have bothered him, otherwise he wouldn't have felt the need to come clean after all this time.

History Channel

Ancient Aliens, 3rd season I think.

Lots to ponder....

last one I saw was about Human DNA being different from all other DNA on the planet... some element that is thought to be an element of language.

I don't have any "wild theories."

But there are plenty of scientists who have wild theories.

A so-called "scientists" that chooses to ignore evidence but rather spends his time trying to concoct something that sounds more reasonable within the scope of what they want to believe is not a real scientist.

what is wild to some is sane to others, and vice versa...just depends on how anyone sees things...

Some of my ideas are very wild.

Its called brainstorming.

They are not actually official "theories" in scientific terms.

I do a lot of speculating.

I don't just accept a lame explanation when there are too many questions to be answered.