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Lpdon Joined Thu 02/25/10 Posts: 13497 |
President Bush didn't send the IRS after political enemies, sick the FBI and DOJ on reporters who reported the truth and not the Liberal spin, didn't use cellphones and gmail to spy on political enemies, didn't have the high way safety commission take dna tests of all drivers at roadblocks just to name a few.
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Lpdon Joined Thu 02/25/10 Posts: 13497 |
President Bush didn't send the IRS after political enemies, sick the FBI and DOJ on reporters who reported the truth and not the Liberal spin, didn't use cellphones and gmail to spy on political enemies, didn't have the high way safety commission take dna tests of all drivers at roadblocks just to name a few.
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Lpdon Joined Thu 02/25/10 Posts: 13497 |
I used to think that you had nothing to worry about if you have nothing to hide, but now thanks to the Obama Administration targeting people who disagree with them or who don't believe in what they believe in I don't feel that way anymore.
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Lpdon Joined Thu 02/25/10 Posts: 13497 |
Hitler was thought to be gay and protected gay members of his inner circle, but that's not the point. What the Obama Administration is doing to target enemies, political enemies and rivals is what the NSDAP did.
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Lpdon Joined Thu 02/25/10 Posts: 13497 |
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immigration reform
Send them to prison, then kick them out. Build the fence that was approved years ago and send UAV's to patrol the boarder non stop. When they are caught, make it to where they can never gain citizenship and send them to a hard prison like what Sherriff Joe does, not Club Fed. If we take harsher actions there will be less who try.
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Lpdon Joined Thu 02/25/10 Posts: 13497 |
If the US would have enforced a no fly zone and taken out the stockpiles of Chemical Weapons when this thing started, it would have been over now and no worry of AQ getting Chemical Weapons, but because our coward in chief was to busy either hiding under his desk or playing golf or on one of his outrageously expensive vacations we have a huge mess to deal with. FUBO!
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Lpdon Joined Thu 02/25/10 Posts: 13497 |
Not after Obama gave AQ and the Taliban top secret intel after the OBL raid that should have NEVER been disclosed and the same Team happens to die in a trap. Hmmmmmm
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Lpdon Joined Thu 02/25/10 Posts: 13497 |
Barry definately learned a thing or two from history and how the NSDAP got control of a country. He needs to be kicked out of office and prosecuted for all of the scandals, but we would still be stuck with a bumbling idiot.
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Lpdon Joined Thu 02/25/10 Posts: 13497 |
So they just released the cost of the Obama families upcoming vacation to Africa. Between 60 and 100 million dollars! Including a full hospital ship that they use during war time or disaster times either the Mercy or Comfort deployed from California to Africa. I am so sick of the egomaniac and his wastefull and excessive spending.
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Lpdon Joined Thu 02/25/10 Posts: 13497 |
QUOTE: Pretty sad how they threw everyone under the Bus,who helped to make that Raid a success! Sick! He has leaked more classified information then all these whistleblowers combined. |
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Lpdon Joined Thu 02/25/10 Posts: 13497 |
QUOTE: Hickenlooper? Isn't he related to Engleburt Humperdink?
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Lpdon Joined Thu 02/25/10 Posts: 13497 |
Moronic.
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Lpdon Joined Thu 02/25/10 Posts: 13497 |
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Bradley Manning
QUOTE: I have no respect for classified data in today's politics of classifying everything just to keep corruption and incompetence covered up. If they are not doing anything wrong they should not be hiding everything under the guise of "classified." I am sure Hitler liked to classify everything he was doing as well. We are not in some world war. We are engaging third world countries for the corporate globalization of the world. Its all about money and business.
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Lpdon Joined Thu 02/25/10 Posts: 13497 |
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Bradley Manning
QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: Reality check... Fact, Manning's actions COULD have put lives in danger, THEY DIDN"T... Fact, Manning passed info to an IDIOT, not al Qaeda... Fact, freedom to publish the leaked material is fundamental to democracy... Fact, a Private 1st Class has NO RIGHT to decide what, how, and to whom classified info should become de-classified... Fact, it is wrong and dangerous business for government to withhold reasonable disclosure... Fact, the RIGHT wants to paint Manning as a terrorist mastermind, the LEFT wants to idolize him as a hero...Both are wrong... Fact, Manning is not a whistleblower who identified a wrong and risked his life to put it right, he is a man who got pizzed and acted out like a little boy... Fact, when the U.S. government moved against WikiLeaks they retaliated by publishing a list of sites deemed vital to public safety around the globe. That list of potential terror targets included vaccine and insulin production facilities, communication centers, important bridges, pipelines, and undersea cables. A person would have to ignore several REALITIES to claim that WikiLeaks has never intentionally aided terrorists JUST TO SPITE governments, including that of the United States... Fact, Wikileaks' involvement is what really screwed Manning.... Fact, Manning was a troubled man in personal turmoil when he stole the documents...He was prone to emotional outbursts, he emailed a sergeant about his gender identity problems, he had an altercation with a superior that resulted in him being restrained, he was receiving "regular" psychiatric evaluations BEFORE being sent to Iraq and given access to classified material and guns... To focus on vilifying Manning is wrong IF YOU OMIT THE FACT the our military has been reckless on so many levels throughout the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, SOMETHING THAT WAS ALREADY COMMON KNOWLEDGE AND IS A CIRCUMSTANCE OF EVERY WAR..Why was this obviously troubled kid even there and, if the leaked docs were THAT SENSITIVE, why did he have access to them?... Fact, as a member of the armed forces, Manning broke the rules...He must answer for that...He is not a hero, nor is he a threat to our national security...Lets hope the verdict when it comes will be the result of fair minded reasoning based on FACT rather than sibling rivalry.... I could get into a lengthy debate on each of these points.... but I love having you as a friend...
One point tho...."Fact, a Private 1st Class has NO RIGHT to decide what, how, and to whom classified info should become de-classified... " It's not about his right, it's about his obligation as a citizen of the US first, a servant of his country second, and exposing what he perceived as a threat and violation against the fundamental values of our country, its laws, and those he took an oath to protect and defend. Thanks to our present atmosphere of gov't, where everything they do is secret (even the smallest detail) and above question or public knowledge, who was he supposed to report these atrocities to? His superiors, the ones responsible for committing or allowing these acts? Congress? Yeah, like they are going to expose their own corruption of supporting them! Manning thought the American people would support him when he risked everything to reveal these atrocities and policies.... WE THE PEOPLE LET HIM DOWN! We are our own worst enemies! no, he let the people down... just because you think something doesn't make it true, and nobody on this site has any knowledge of what war is like. if everyone decided to "do what they want" in the military, we wouldn't have a military...
I can't believe that is what you think. Seriously. I guess if his fellow military buddies were killing and raping women and children and he has a security clearance and was sworn to secrecy you would support his covering up these war crimes. THESE ARE WAR CRIMES. If they are not then they are just gross negligence and incompetence. But I'm telling you this, they get away with killing innocents all the time. Co-lateral damage and friendly fire. And it is over looked all the time. War is hell. I'm against it. The rule is, if a superior officer orders you to do something that is AGAINST YOUR MORAL JUDGEMENT you have an OBLIGATION TO DISOBEY. If you don't, and if you will do anything your superior officer tells you to do, even if it is against your moral judgement, then you have been what is called "dehumanized." You are a robot. These are the vets who end up committing suicide because they can't live with what they have done. The ones who don't give a crap, go on to be serial killers. You have an obligation to disobey under protest but not lead CLASSIFIED data to the entire world. |
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Lpdon Joined Thu 02/25/10 Posts: 13497 |
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Anonymous
QUOTE: So recent news from Edmonton, Canada. The "hacktivist" group anonymous has ran their own form of "to catch a predator" they posed as 13-14 year old girls/boys to lure out potential child molesters and gave all the videos/pictures and transcripts to Edmonton police and gave them an ultimatum. Arrest these individuals, or their names, work place among other information will be posted publicly. Edmonton police has not acted in anyway, shape or form on this, and so far 2 men have been publicly exposed. What's your thoughts on this? I don't agree with it, just like I didn't agree with the To Catch A Preditator series. I agree with why they are doing it but to make a case like this hold up in court is damn near impossible. You have a criminal, and in some countries view a terrorist organization doing this. They have no credibility with law enforcement or the courts and most of their evidence would be considered tainted and possibly doctored. It would be a defense attorney's wet dream. |
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Lpdon Joined Thu 02/25/10 Posts: 13497 |
I remember another world leader who sent the government agencies after his political opponents and political enemy, he is the same man who caused WW2.
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Bradley Manning
QUOTE: Bradley Manning Is Guilty of “Aiding the Enemy”—If the Enemy Is Democracy. Of all the charges against Bradley Manning, the most pernicious—and revealing—is “aiding the enemy.”Pfc. Bradley Manning (Portrait by Robert Shetterly) A blogger at The New Yorker, Amy Davidson, raised a pair of big questions that now loom over the courtroom at Fort Meade and over the entire country: * “Would it aid the enemy, for example, to expose war crimes committed by American forces or lies told by the American government?” * “In that case, who is aiding the enemy—the whistleblower or the perpetrators themselves?” When the deceptive operation of the warfare state can’t stand the light of day, truth-tellers are a constant hazard. And culpability must stay turned on its head. That’s why accountability was upside-down when the U.S. Army prosecutor laid out the government’s case against Bradley Manning in an opening statement: “This is a case about a soldier who systematically harvested hundreds of thousands of classified documents and dumped them onto the Internet, into the hands of the enemy—material he knew, based on his training, would put the lives of fellow soldiers at risk.” If so, those fellow soldiers have all been notably lucky; the Pentagon has admitted that none died as a result of Manning’s leaks in 2010. But many of his fellow soldiers lost their limbs or their lives in U.S. warfare made possible by the kind of lies that the U.S. government is now prosecuting Bradley Manning for exposing. In the real world, as Glenn Greenwald has pointed out, prosecution for leaks is extremely slanted. “Let’s apply the government's theory in the Manning case to one of the most revered journalists in Washington: Bob Woodward, who has become one of America’s richest reporters, if not the richest, by obtaining and publishing classified information far more sensitive than anything WikiLeaks has ever published,” Greenwald wrote in January. He noted that “one of Woodward's most enthusiastic readers was Osama bin Laden,” as a 2011 video from al-Qaeda made clear. And Greenwald added that “the same Bob Woodward book [Obama’s Wars] that Osama bin Laden obviously read and urged everyone else to read disclosed numerous vital national security secrets far more sensitive than anything Bradley Manning is accused of leaking. Doesn't that necessarily mean that top-level government officials who served as Woodward’s sources, and the author himself, aided and abetted al-Qaida?” While pick-and-choose secrecy is serving Washington’s top war-makers, the treatment of U.S. citizens is akin to the classic description of how to propagate mushrooms: keeping them in the dark and feeding them ********. But the prosecution of Manning is about carefully limiting the information that reaches the governed. Officials who run U.S. foreign policy choose exactly what classified info to dole out to the public. They leak like self-serving sieves to mainline journalists such as Woodward, who has divulged plenty of “Top Secret” information—a category of classification higher than anything Bradley Manning is accused of leaking. While pick-and-choose secrecy is serving Washington’s top war-makers, the treatment of U.S. citizens is akin to the classic description of how to propagate mushrooms: keeping them in the dark and feeding them ********. In effect, for top managers of the warfare state, “the enemy” is democracy. Let’s pursue the inquiry put forward by columnist Amy Davidson early this year. If it is aiding the enemy “to expose war crimes committed by American forces or lies told by the American government,” then in reality “who is aiding the enemy—the whistleblower or the perpetrators themselves?” Candid answers to such questions are not only inadmissible in the military courtroom where Bradley Manning is on trial. Candor is also excluded from the national venues where the warfare state preens itself as virtue’s paragon. Yet ongoing actions of the U.S. government have hugely boosted the propaganda impact and recruiting momentum of forces that Washington publicly describes as “the enemy.” Policies under the Bush and Obama administrations—in Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen and beyond, with hovering drones, missile strikes and night raids, at prisons such as Abu Ghraib, Bagram, Guantanamo and secret rendition torture sites—have “aided the enemy” on a scale so enormous that it makes the alleged (and fictitious) aid to named enemies from Manning’s leaks infinitesimal in comparison. Blaming the humanist PFC messenger for “aiding the enemy” is an exercise in self-exculpation by an administration that cannot face up to its own vast war crimes. While prosecuting Bradley Manning, the prosecution may name al-Qaeda, indigenous Iraqi forces, the Taliban or whoever. But the unnamed “enemy”—the real adversary that the Pentagon and the Obama White House are so eager to quash—is the incessant striving for democracy that requires informed consent of the governed. The forces that top U.S. officials routinely denounce as “the enemy” will never threaten the power of the USA’s dominant corporate-military elites. But the unnamed “enemy” aided by Bradley Manning’s courageous actions—the people at the grassroots who can bring democracy to life beyond rhetoric—are a real potential threat to that power. Accusations of aid and comfort to the enemy were profuse after Martin Luther King Jr. moved forward to expose the Johnson administration’s deceptions and the U.S. military’s atrocities. Most profoundly, with his courageous stand against the war in Vietnam, King earned his Nobel Peace Prize during the years after he won it in 1964. Bradley Manning may never win the Nobel Peace Prize, but he surely deserves it. Close to 60,000 people have already signed a petition urging the Norwegian Nobel Committee to award the prize to Manning. To become a signer, click here. http://www.commondreams.org/view/2013/06/05 You realize that this little $hit almost blew the OBL raid, and it had to be moved up because it was found out part of our intelligence was compromised because of this and the Wikileaks deal. Give him the needle. |
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Lpdon Joined Thu 02/25/10 Posts: 13497 |
These two wont leave each other alone. Every time I let him out of his cage he finds the cat and this happens.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWeHWmwV7oE&feature=em-upload_owner |
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Lpdon Joined Thu 02/25/10 Posts: 13497 |
Obamagate
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It was the Obama administration that sealed the fate of the Pakistani doctor jailed for helping nail Usama Bin Laden, by divulging key details after the fact and dooming any chance Shakil Afridi's cover story could win his freedom, according to a confidential Pakistani report.
When former Secretary of Defense and ex-CIA Director Leon Panetta publicly acknowledged Afridi's role in the ruse which helped the CIA pinpoint Bin Laden's presence in an Abbottabad compound, any chance that Pakistani authorities could help him get out of the country vanished, according to what some have called Pakistan’s version of the 9/11 Commission, a 357-page report from an independent body set up to probe the aftermath of the 2011 raid by Navy SEALs in which the Al Qaeda leader was killed. “The statement by the U.S. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta, who was the CIA Director when May 2 happened, confirming the role of Dr. Afridi in making the U.S. assassination mission a success, rendered much of what Afridi told the Commission very questionable if not outright lies,” states the report, which has not been released, but which FoxNews.com has viewed. Indeed, Panetta and others in the Obama administration were sharply criticized domestically for discussing the raid and efforts involving Afridi to obtain DNA from the compound's occupants by posing as a medical team offering vaccinations. Nearly five months before Afridi’s sentencing, while the doctor was being held and interrogated by Pakistan’s shadowy intelligence agency , Panetta spoke on record in an interview to CBS “60 Minutes” confirming Afridi's role in late January 2012. The statements came after Afridi had testified to the commission, and sharply contradicted his story. “This was an individual, in fact that helped provide intelligence, that was very helpful in regards to this operation and he was not in any way treasonous towards Pakistan,” Panetta told the program in January, 2012, in the first acknowledgement of Afridi's role. That prompted the Pakistani commission to conclude in its report that "Dr. Afridi had been cultivated by the CIA and ultimately used in its project to assassinate Usama Bin Laden.” Panetta did not respond to multiple requests for comment. His spokesman, Jeremy Bash, had earlier told a Fox News Channel correspondent that Panetta wasn’t willing to talk to media. Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, R-Calif., Afridi’s most vocal supporter in Congress, has been critical of the Obama administration's handling of Afridi's case. But he said he is skeptical of the report placing all the blame for his imprisonment on the U.S. “It doesn’t take genius to figure out that the Pakistanis have been betraying us all along and Dr. Afridi is being used as a pawn in their game with the United States,” Rohrabacher said. The Commission Report itself recommends a retrial for Afrid, who is now appealing his case. His family is holding out hope that American pressure can win his freedom, while his U.S. supporters have been critical of the Obama administration and State Department for its muted approach to the matter. “We need to continue to put pressure on the Obama administration and the State Department to advocate for the immediate release of Dr. Afridi, not just a retrial,” said Rohrabacher, who wants the doctor to be recognized as an American hero Afridi's lawyer in North West Pakistan has argued that Panetta’s statement further complicated an already convoluted matter concocted on trumped up charges without laying blame on U.S. or Pakistan. Afridi is serving a 33-year term in Peshawar Central Jail after being convicted by a tribal council of colluding with local militant group Lashkar-e-Islam. American lawmakers, diplomats and administration officials all believe the charges are a proxy for his role in assisting a foreign spy agency. “The lesson from the Afridi episode is, if it suits the political purpose of the Obama administration, you’ll be exposed and placed in jeopardy,” said Thomas Fitton, president of Judicial Watch. Panetta’s disclosure robbed Afridi of “plausible deniability” of a role in the episode. Even if Pakistani officials did not believe Afridi's account, his story may have provided cover for a diplomatic solution had Panetta not undermined it, he said. The U.S. intelligence community was alarmed at the Obama administration's loose-lipped attitude toward the raid, according to New York Times reporter David Sanger’s book "Confront and Conceal," which claimed leaks prompted then-Secretary of Defense Robert Gates to angrily confront Obama’s National Security Advisor Thomas Donilon. "I have a new strategic communications approach to recommend,” Gates is quoted as telling Donilon. “Shut the f@*k up!” In addition to Panetta's interview, Kathryn Bigelow, director of “Zero Dark Thirty” the Hollywood movie which depicts “Operation Neptune” that killed Bin Laden, was given exclusive access to classified information. Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/05/31/us-to-blame-for-jailing-hero-bin-laden-doctor-says-pakistani-report/?test=latestnews#ixzz2Uwsn1TFl |