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Topic: Another shameful moment in history,,,
msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Wed 05/30/12 07:37 PM
Newser) – President Obama “stared deep into political irrationality” yesterday and offered up his long-form birth certificate—in what the New York Times calls “a profoundly low and debasing moment in American political life” in an editorial today. Here was a president who, more than halfway through his term and with far weightier matters to attend to, felt he had to prove his citizenship, in answer to “a baseless attack with heavy racial undertones.” “It is inconceivable that this campaign to portray Mr. Obama as the insidious ‘other’ would have been conducted against a white president,” the Times declares. Yet Republicans like Sarah Palin and John Boehner intentionally fueled the controversy—and the party paid the price, getting saddled with “a cartoon candidate” in Donald Trump. Releasing the certificate should marginalize him and his ilk, even if they refuse to go away. But “it is tragic that American politics is fueled by such poisonous fire.” http://www.newser.com/story/117429/racist-birther-debacle-a-low-moment-for-us.html

Seakolony Joined Fri 11/07/08 Posts: 11968	Wed 05/30/12 07:41 PM
Personally i think any Presidential Candidate with questionable birth parents as to being within or not within the US asically on US soil should have to provide proof of their eligibility be they white black purple pink green or grey. I dont think its too much to ask.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Wed 05/30/12 07:45 PM
Personally i think any Presidential Candidate with questionable birth parents as to being within or not within the US asically on US soil should have to provide proof of their eligibility be they white black purple pink green or grey. I dont think its too much to ask. it is if one is singled out,, if they aLL provide the same thing,,its not unreasonable

Peccy Joined Thu 06/28/07 Posts: 17181	Wed 05/30/12 07:48 PM
Newser) – President Obama “stared deep into political irrationality” yesterday and offered up his long-form birth certificate—in what the New York Times calls “a profoundly low and debasing moment in American political life” in an editorial today. Here was a president who, more than halfway through his term and with far weightier matters to attend to, felt he had to prove his citizenship, in answer to “a baseless attack with heavy racial undertones.” “It is inconceivable that this campaign to portray Mr. Obama as the insidious ‘other’ would have been conducted against a white president,” the Times declares. Yet Republicans like Sarah Palin and John Boehner intentionally fueled the controversy—and the party paid the price, getting saddled with “a cartoon candidate” in Donald Trump. Releasing the certificate should marginalize him and his ilk, even if they refuse to go away. But “it is tragic that American politics is fueled by such poisonous fire.” http://www.newser.com/story/117429/racist-birther-debacle-a-low-moment-for-us.html I think this should have been put to rest long ago, but the problem is, no other President has ever been in question. I have never understood why it's so hard for him to come up with a birth certificate. But he is the POTUS, don't you think he could at least come up with something? And democrats wonder why people never let this go. Articles like this do nothing more than toss fuel on the fire.

Peccy Joined Thu 06/28/07 Posts: 17181	Wed 05/30/12 07:50 PM
Personally i think any Presidential Candidate with questionable birth parents as to being within or not within the US asically on US soil should have to provide proof of their eligibility be they white black purple pink green or grey. I dont think its too much to ask. it is if one is singled out,, if they aLL provide the same thing,,its not unreasonable Do you really doubt any other presidents citizenship?

Seakolony Joined Fri 11/07/08 Posts: 11968	Wed 05/30/12 07:50 PM Edited by Seakolony on Wed 05/30/12 07:52 PM
Personally i think any Presidential Candidate with questionable birth parents as to being within or not within the US asically on US soil should have to provide proof of their eligibility be they white black purple pink green or grey. I dont think its too much to ask. it is if one is singled out,, if they aLL provide the same thing,,its not unreasonable not if its questionable.....McCain was required to verify his and wasn't nearly as big a hassle nor was a big deal made of it.....yes he too was singled but it wasn't a problem therefore didnt cause such controversy.....so no Obama wasnt singled out His administration made the big deal out of it.....and made it seem like he was singled out.......

Sloe00 Joined Sat 03/03/12 Posts: 434	Wed 05/30/12 07:52 PM
Questions don`t harm anyone, if you have nothing to fear.

VonSabrewulf Joined Thu 05/24/12 Posts: 47	Wed 05/30/12 07:52 PM
the point is that, this would have never been done to a white president. Whether or not people want to admit, this country is still a little racist sometimes

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Wed 05/30/12 07:53 PM Edited by msharmony on Wed 05/30/12 07:55 PM
Newser) – President Obama “stared deep into political irrationality” yesterday and offered up his long-form birth certificate—in what the New York Times calls “a profoundly low and debasing moment in American political life” in an editorial today. Here was a president who, more than halfway through his term and with far weightier matters to attend to, felt he had to prove his citizenship, in answer to “a baseless attack with heavy racial undertones.” “It is inconceivable that this campaign to portray Mr. Obama as the insidious ‘other’ would have been conducted against a white president,” the Times declares. Yet Republicans like Sarah Palin and John Boehner intentionally fueled the controversy—and the party paid the price, getting saddled with “a cartoon candidate” in Donald Trump. Releasing the certificate should marginalize him and his ilk, even if they refuse to go away. But “it is tragic that American politics is fueled by such poisonous fire.” http://www.newser.com/story/117429/racist-birther-debacle-a-low-moment-for-us.html I think this should have been put to rest long ago, but the problem is, no other President has ever been in question. I have never understood why it's so hard for him to come up with a birth certificate. But he is the POTUS, don't you think he could at least come up with something? And democrats wonder why people never let this go. Articles like this do nothing more than toss fuel on the fire. that is incorrect peccy he disclosed his birth certificate AS DID THE STATE OF HAWAII back in 2009 but people werent satisfied because it wasnt a 'long form' this document he released in 2009 is the same SHORT FORM I used to get my passport and is proof of citizenship,,period but 'birthers' were not satisfied with it they insisted on seeing the 'long form' instead, to which I responded even then that even if he met that request it still would not be enough 'proof' that he was a natural born citizen/us citizen(not naturalized but at birth) and now that he showed the LONG FORM, just like I suspected and HE probably realized, they are also not satisfied with it because it is only a picture its as if they actually expect someone to take the ORIGINAL one from storage and personally knock on all their doors so they can personally inspect it it is beyond RIDICULOUS and embarassing for american history,,,,

Seakolony Joined Fri 11/07/08 Posts: 11968	Wed 05/30/12 07:53 PM Edited by Seakolony on Wed 05/30/12 07:54 PM
the point is that, this would have never been done to a white president. Whether or not people want to admit, this country is still a little racist sometimes It was done to a white candidate and if he had become president then it would have been done to a white president, therefore that isnt a point either

mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Wed 05/30/12 07:54 PM
Newser) – President Obama “stared deep into political irrationality” yesterday and offered up his long-form birth certificate—in what the New York Times calls “a profoundly low and debasing moment in American political life” in an editorial today. Here was a president who, more than halfway through his term and with far weightier matters to attend to, felt he had to prove his citizenship, in answer to “a baseless attack with heavy racial undertones.” “It is inconceivable that this campaign to portray Mr. Obama as the insidious ‘other’ would have been conducted against a white president,” the Times declares. Yet Republicans like Sarah Palin and John Boehner intentionally fueled the controversy—and the party paid the price, getting saddled with “a cartoon candidate” in Donald Trump. Releasing the certificate should marginalize him and his ilk, even if they refuse to go away. But “it is tragic that American politics is fueled by such poisonous fire.” http://www.newser.com/story/117429/racist-birther-debacle-a-low-moment-for-us.html if this one is real, it's way to late... he should have squashed this at the beginning, and he would have had a little respect... he is not in there for himself, he is in there for us, the people. and if the people want proof, he should have given it to them at the start.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Wed 05/30/12 07:56 PM
Newser) – President Obama “stared deep into political irrationality” yesterday and offered up his long-form birth certificate—in what the New York Times calls “a profoundly low and debasing moment in American political life” in an editorial today. Here was a president who, more than halfway through his term and with far weightier matters to attend to, felt he had to prove his citizenship, in answer to “a baseless attack with heavy racial undertones.” “It is inconceivable that this campaign to portray Mr. Obama as the insidious ‘other’ would have been conducted against a white president,” the Times declares. Yet Republicans like Sarah Palin and John Boehner intentionally fueled the controversy—and the party paid the price, getting saddled with “a cartoon candidate” in Donald Trump. Releasing the certificate should marginalize him and his ilk, even if they refuse to go away. But “it is tragic that American politics is fueled by such poisonous fire.” http://www.newser.com/story/117429/racist-birther-debacle-a-low-moment-for-us.html if this one is real, it's way to late... he should have squashed this at the beginning, and he would have had a little respect... he is not in there for himself, he is in there for us, the people. and if the people want proof, he should have given it to them at the start. I disagree birthers never respected him and never will there will never be enough 'proof' for them to consider him anything other than 'other'

mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Wed 05/30/12 07:56 PM
the point is that, this would have never been done to a white president. Whether or not people want to admit, this country is still a little racist sometimes It was done to a white candidate and if he had become president then it would have been done to a white president, therefore that isnt a point either same crap, liberals don't get their way, they scream racism... McClain had to show his, being born on a AF base in panama, and nobody screeched racism then...

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Wed 05/30/12 07:57 PM
the point is that, this would have never been done to a white president. Whether or not people want to admit, this country is still a little racist sometimes It was done to a white candidate and if he had become president then it would have been done to a white president, therefore that isnt a point either same crap, liberals don't get their way, they scream racism... McClain had to show his, being born on a AF base in panama, and nobody screeched racism then... once he showed it, it was SQUASHED this was 'shown' back in 2009 and the allegations have and will always continue in spit of the STATE ITSELF verifying his birth in Hawaii,,,,

mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Wed 05/30/12 07:58 PM
Newser) – President Obama “stared deep into political irrationality” yesterday and offered up his long-form birth certificate—in what the New York Times calls “a profoundly low and debasing moment in American political life” in an editorial today. Here was a president who, more than halfway through his term and with far weightier matters to attend to, felt he had to prove his citizenship, in answer to “a baseless attack with heavy racial undertones.” “It is inconceivable that this campaign to portray Mr. Obama as the insidious ‘other’ would have been conducted against a white president,” the Times declares. Yet Republicans like Sarah Palin and John Boehner intentionally fueled the controversy—and the party paid the price, getting saddled with “a cartoon candidate” in Donald Trump. Releasing the certificate should marginalize him and his ilk, even if they refuse to go away. But “it is tragic that American politics is fueled by such poisonous fire.” http://www.newser.com/story/117429/racist-birther-debacle-a-low-moment-for-us.html if this one is real, it's way to late... he should have squashed this at the beginning, and he would have had a little respect... he is not in there for himself, he is in there for us, the people. and if the people want proof, he should have given it to them at the start. I disagree birthers never respected him and never will there will never be enough 'proof' for them to consider him anything other than 'other' true, but he has already lied way to much about it. if he would have done it from the start, that would have shut a lot of people up, including me...

Seakolony Joined Fri 11/07/08 Posts: 11968	Wed 05/30/12 07:58 PM
Newser) – President Obama “stared deep into political irrationality” yesterday and offered up his long-form birth certificate—in what the New York Times calls “a profoundly low and debasing moment in American political life” in an editorial today. Here was a president who, more than halfway through his term and with far weightier matters to attend to, felt he had to prove his citizenship, in answer to “a baseless attack with heavy racial undertones.” “It is inconceivable that this campaign to portray Mr. Obama as the insidious ‘other’ would have been conducted against a white president,” the Times declares. Yet Republicans like Sarah Palin and John Boehner intentionally fueled the controversy—and the party paid the price, getting saddled with “a cartoon candidate” in Donald Trump. Releasing the certificate should marginalize him and his ilk, even if they refuse to go away. But “it is tragic that American politics is fueled by such poisonous fire.” http://www.newser.com/story/117429/racist-birther-debacle-a-low-moment-for-us.html I think this should have been put to rest long ago, but the problem is, no other President has ever been in question. I have never understood why it's so hard for him to come up with a birth certificate. But he is the POTUS, don't you think he could at least come up with something? And democrats wonder why people never let this go. Articles like this do nothing more than toss fuel on the fire. that is incorrect peccy he disclosed his birth certificate AS DID THE STATE OF HAWAII back in 2009 but people werent satisfied because it wasnt a 'long form' this document he released in 2009 is the same SHORT FORM I used to get my passport and is proof of citizenship,,period but 'birthers' were not satisfied with it they insisted on seeing the 'long form' instead, to which I responded even then that even if he met that request it still would not be enough 'proof' that he was a natural born citizen/us citizen(not naturalized but at birth) and now that he showed the LONG FORM, just like I suspected and HE probably realized, they are also not satisfied with it because it is only a picture its as if they actually expect someone to take the ORIGINAL one from storage and personally knock on all their doors so they can personally inspect it it is beyond RIDICULOUS and embarassing for american history,,,, Incorrect he posted an admitted fake the hospital on what was posted didnt exist, the country of kenya was the british colony of kenya not kenya in 1961.....it didnt become Kenya until 1963

Sloe00 Joined Sat 03/03/12 Posts: 434	Wed 05/30/12 07:59 PM
Pure logic,,,,, Questions do not harm anyone if they have nothing to fear/hide.

Seakolony Joined Fri 11/07/08 Posts: 11968	Wed 05/30/12 07:59 PM Edited by Seakolony on Wed 05/30/12 08:00 PM
Newser) – President Obama “stared deep into political irrationality” yesterday and offered up his long-form birth certificate—in what the New York Times calls “a profoundly low and debasing moment in American political life” in an editorial today. Here was a president who, more than halfway through his term and with far weightier matters to attend to, felt he had to prove his citizenship, in answer to “a baseless attack with heavy racial undertones.” “It is inconceivable that this campaign to portray Mr. Obama as the insidious ‘other’ would have been conducted against a white president,” the Times declares. Yet Republicans like Sarah Palin and John Boehner intentionally fueled the controversy—and the party paid the price, getting saddled with “a cartoon candidate” in Donald Trump. Releasing the certificate should marginalize him and his ilk, even if they refuse to go away. But “it is tragic that American politics is fueled by such poisonous fire.” http://www.newser.com/story/117429/racist-birther-debacle-a-low-moment-for-us.html if this one is real, it's way to late... he should have squashed this at the beginning, and he would have had a little respect... he is not in there for himself, he is in there for us, the people. and if the people want proof, he should have given it to them at the start. I disagree birthers never respected him and never will there will never be enough 'proof' for them to consider him anything other than 'other' true, but he has already lied way to much about it. if he would have done it from the start, that would have shut a lot of people up, including me... I agree

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Wed 05/30/12 07:59 PM
Personally i think any Presidential Candidate with questionable birth parents as to being within or not within the US asically on US soil should have to provide proof of their eligibility be they white black purple pink green or grey. I dont think its too much to ask. it is if one is singled out,, if they aLL provide the same thing,,its not unreasonable Do you really doubt any other presidents citizenship? I dont doubt his...but what difference does that make? apparently others thought they had a legitimate reason to so much for the global age of travel, I better tell my daughter to prepare for the extra scrutiny because her father is british, and I will no doubt be suspected of ACTUALLY having her in Britain instead of america, even if she shows the same proof of citizenship required by any other citizen of the us when such proof is required for legal reason,,,, .. ridiculous,,

Peccy Joined Thu 06/28/07 Posts: 17181	Wed 05/30/12 08:00 PM
the point is that, this would have never been done to a white president. Whether or not people want to admit, this country is still a little racist sometimes It was done to a white candidate and if he had become president then it would have been done to a white president, therefore that isnt a point either same crap, liberals don't get their way, they scream racism... McClain had to show his, being born on a AF base in panama, and nobody screeched racism then... because white people aren't allowed to screech racism . . . it disrupts the natural order of things