Topic: Was Cain's curse lifted?
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Wed 06/13/12 05:45 PM

God of war, YHWH

YHWH was understood as the divine warrior…YHWH intervened not only to help the army on the battlefield but He also marched in front of the king and soldiers…The victory after the battles was given to YHWH, and the spoils obtained were dedicated to YHWH and His treasures.



When the angels saw that God was waging war against the Egyptians on the sea, they came to His aid. Some came carrying swords and others carrying bows or lances. God said to them, “I do not need your aid, for when I go to battle, I go alone.” That is why it is said that Yahweh is a man of war (Exod. 15:3).


Your cut and paste has failed you again.

That is not a real scripture. Exodus 15:3 is part of a song that the Israelites wrote to celebrate God leading them out of Israel, so it's not even something that God said.

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Wed 06/13/12 05:46 PM



How can he forgive someone(s) if they do not ask for it?



He is god, he can do anything. Right or wrong?

If I can forgive someone even if they do not ask for it, then surely a merciful and forgiving god could do the same.



Again, it doesn't give a time span between the touching and the judgement. Heck even if it was right there and then, he could have taken his hand off the ark and asked for forgiveness. But he did no such thing. God is merciful and forgiving if it is requested and is truly sought after. Asking someone for forgiveness isn't just asking them to forgive you, it is saying you're sorry and you won't do it again.


If your child disobeyed you by touching something he was told not to touch, would you punish him with death?

That is not a merciful or forgiving god.

He is a war god.

That Yahweh, the God of the Bible, is a war-god is clearly written in the text itself:

Exodus 15:3 The Lord is a man of war; the Lord is His Name.


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Wed 06/13/12 05:48 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Wed 06/13/12 05:49 PM


God of war, YHWH

YHWH was understood as the divine warrior…YHWH intervened not only to help the army on the battlefield but He also marched in front of the king and soldiers…The victory after the battles was given to YHWH, and the spoils obtained were dedicated to YHWH and His treasures.



When the angels saw that God was waging war against the Egyptians on the sea, they came to His aid. Some came carrying swords and others carrying bows or lances. God said to them, “I do not need your aid, for when I go to battle, I go alone.” That is why it is said that Yahweh is a man of war (Exod. 15:3).


Your cut and paste has failed you again.

That is not a real scripture. Exodus 15:3 is part of a song that the Israelites wrote to celebrate God leading them out of Israel, so it's not even something that God said.


I would never claim that anything I post is what "god said."

If you want to argue about what is "real scripture" and what is not then start another thread.

If you believe that the Bible is "Gods word" then everything in it is 'what god said."

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Wed 06/13/12 05:49 PM

God of war, YHWH

YHWH was understood as the divine warrior…YHWH intervened not only to help the army on the battlefield but He also marched in front of the king and soldiers…The victory after the battles was given to YHWH, and the spoils obtained were dedicated to YHWH and His treasures.



When the angels saw that God was waging war against the Egyptians on the sea, they came to His aid. Some came carrying swords and others carrying bows or lances. God said to them, “I do not need your aid, for when I go to battle, I go alone.” That is why it is said that Yahweh is a man of war (Exod. 15:3).


Read further. God didn't "wage" war on anyone. The Egyptians were his enemies. They would only be his enemies if they refused to worship him, which they obviously were guilty of or none of this would have happened in the first place.

6 Thy right hand, O Lord, is become glorious in power: thy right hand, O Lord, hath dashed in pieces the enemy.

And God "intervened" in nothing.

Intervene - Come between so as to prevent or alter a result or course of events.

The only way for it to even be close to "interving" is if he took someone's free will away through possession or any possible way. We are God's children, his creation. He didn't set us here to just let us do what we want. Do you have children so you can just sit them somewhere and let them do what they want? No, a parent gives their child(ren) rules and regulations. Followed by a punishment of some sort if the rules or regulations are broken.

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Wed 06/13/12 05:51 PM

If you want to argue about what is "real scripture" and what is not then start another thread.


No, this is my thread, I'm fine here. You posted a fake scripture. As in a scripture that isn't in the Bible. It's completely made up. It's BS. I'm not even going to worry about going through the rest of the garbage you posted, but I'm sure that I would find more fake scriptures. Intellectual honesty, it is lacking.

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Wed 06/13/12 05:52 PM




How can he forgive someone(s) if they do not ask for it?



He is god, he can do anything. Right or wrong?

If I can forgive someone even if they do not ask for it, then surely a merciful and forgiving god could do the same.



Again, it doesn't give a time span between the touching and the judgement. Heck even if it was right there and then, he could have taken his hand off the ark and asked for forgiveness. But he did no such thing. God is merciful and forgiving if it is requested and is truly sought after. Asking someone for forgiveness isn't just asking them to forgive you, it is saying you're sorry and you won't do it again.


If your child disobeyed you by touching something he was told not to touch, would you punish him with death?

That is not a merciful or forgiving god.

He is a war god.

That Yahweh, the God of the Bible, is a war-god is clearly written in the text itself:

Exodus 15:3 The Lord is a man of war; the Lord is His Name.




Yes the Lord is a man of war. He is at war with Satan. No I would not punish my child with death, that is not my position. I do not have the right to kill anyone, even if it is my child. God is the only one that possess that power. And he has told us "The only reward for sin is death". So if one chooses to sin, they are the one that is taking the gamble.

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Wed 06/13/12 05:55 PM




A GOD OF WAR IS JEHOVAH...


God was delighted with the massacre:

"And the LORD said unto Jehu, Because thou hast done well in executing right in mine eyes, hast done unto the house of Ahab according to all that was in mine heart, thy children of the 4th generation shall sit on the throne of Israel."


Mind enlightening what book/verse that is from please?


(2 Kings 10.19.30)

"Jehu said to the guard and to the captains, Go in, slay them; let none come forth. And they smote them with the edge of the sword; and the guard and the captains cast them out, and went to the city of the house of Baal. And they brought forth the images out of the house of Baal, and burned them."

"And the LORD said unto Jehu, Because thou hast done well in executing right in mine eyes, hast done unto the house of Ahab according to all that was in mine heart, thy children of the 4th generation shall sit on the throne of Israel."




2 Kings 10:19
19 Now therefore call unto me all the prophets of Baal, all his servants, and all his priests; let none be wanting: for I have a great sacrifice to do to Baal; whosoever shall be wanting, he shall not live. But Jehu did it in subtilty, to the intent that he might destroy the worshippers of Baal.


They were punished for their worshipping of Baal. Heck that's one of the 10 commandments "Thou shalt not put any gods before me. They were punished for their disobedience.



No they were killing off the competition. If those people worshiped Baal, it was by their own choice. They were killed simply because they worshiped another god.

The God of Ward Jehovah was simply killing off the people who refused to worship and obey him.




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Wed 06/13/12 05:56 PM


If you want to argue about what is "real scripture" and what is not then start another thread.


No, this is my thread, I'm fine here. You posted a fake scripture. As in a scripture that isn't in the Bible. It's completely made up. It's BS. I'm not even going to worry about going through the rest of the garbage you posted, but I'm sure that I would find more fake scriptures. Intellectual honesty, it is lacking.


Why do you call it a fake scripture?


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Wed 06/13/12 05:59 PM
"Your right hand, O LORD, is become glorious in power: your right hand, O LORD, has dashed in pieces the enemy." (King James)

"The God of Abraham" is primarily a God of War.

Forgiveness and mercy is not something he had a lot of.


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Wed 06/13/12 06:00 PM



If you want to argue about what is "real scripture" and what is not then start another thread.


No, this is my thread, I'm fine here. You posted a fake scripture. As in a scripture that isn't in the Bible. It's completely made up. It's BS. I'm not even going to worry about going through the rest of the garbage you posted, but I'm sure that I would find more fake scriptures. Intellectual honesty, it is lacking.


Why do you call it a fake scripture?




I've already explained this a couple times, but I'll say it again. IT'S NOT IN THE BIBLE. AT NO PLACE IN THE BIBLE ARE THOSE WORDS FOUND.

Exodus 15:3

The LORD is a warrior; The LORD is His name.


That's it. And it's not even attributed to God, it's part of a song the Israelites made up.

You should first, give the URL for wherever you are stealing your posts. And more importantly, maybe you should research them for validity before you paste them into the thread? It's called being intellectually honest.

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Wed 06/13/12 06:01 PM





A GOD OF WAR IS JEHOVAH...


God was delighted with the massacre:

"And the LORD said unto Jehu, Because thou hast done well in executing right in mine eyes, hast done unto the house of Ahab according to all that was in mine heart, thy children of the 4th generation shall sit on the throne of Israel."


Mind enlightening what book/verse that is from please?


(2 Kings 10.19.30)

"Jehu said to the guard and to the captains, Go in, slay them; let none come forth. And they smote them with the edge of the sword; and the guard and the captains cast them out, and went to the city of the house of Baal. And they brought forth the images out of the house of Baal, and burned them."

"And the LORD said unto Jehu, Because thou hast done well in executing right in mine eyes, hast done unto the house of Ahab according to all that was in mine heart, thy children of the 4th generation shall sit on the throne of Israel."




2 Kings 10:19
19 Now therefore call unto me all the prophets of Baal, all his servants, and all his priests; let none be wanting: for I have a great sacrifice to do to Baal; whosoever shall be wanting, he shall not live. But Jehu did it in subtilty, to the intent that he might destroy the worshippers of Baal.


They were punished for their worshipping of Baal. Heck that's one of the 10 commandments "Thou shalt not put any gods before me. They were punished for their disobedience.



No they were killing off the competition. If those people worshiped Baal, it was by their own choice. They were killed simply because they worshiped another god.

The God of Ward Jehovah was simply killing off the people who refused to worship and obey him.







That is exactly the reason they were receiving that judgment. The only reward for sin is death. Obviously they were not seeking forgiveness or they would not have continued in worshipping Baal.

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Wed 06/13/12 06:02 PM

"Your right hand, O LORD, is become glorious in power: your right hand, O LORD, has dashed in pieces the enemy." (King James)

"The God of Abraham" is primarily a God of War.

Forgiveness and mercy is not something he had a lot of.



God of Abrahm is not primarily a God of war... what are you talking about?

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Wed 06/13/12 06:03 PM

"Your right hand, O LORD, is become glorious in power: your right hand, O LORD, has dashed in pieces the enemy." (King James)

"The God of Abraham" is primarily a God of War.

Forgiveness and mercy is not something he had a lot of.


That's close to being Exodus 15:6, which is still a song written by the Israelites. This is not attributed to God or the angels, so it's simply the Israelites praises for God saving them from Egypt. How you can take a song praising one facet of God's character as proof that God is a God of war would be puzzling, if I thought you cared about intellectual honesty.

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Wed 06/13/12 06:12 PM


"Your right hand, O LORD, is become glorious in power: your right hand, O LORD, has dashed in pieces the enemy." (King James)

"The God of Abraham" is primarily a God of War.

Forgiveness and mercy is not something he had a lot of.


That's close to being Exodus 15:6, which is still a song written by the Israelites. This is not attributed to God or the angels, so it's simply the Israelites praises for God saving them from Egypt. How you can take a song praising one facet of God's character as proof that God is a God of war would be puzzling, if I thought you cared about intellectual honesty.


There are a lot of different Bible versions.

"The Lord is a man of war; Yahweh is his name."

"The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name."

THE POINT IS THAT YAHWEH, JEHOVAH, IS A MAN OF WAR.

THAT MEANS HE KILLS PEOPLE.

WITHOUT MERCY.




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Wed 06/13/12 06:14 PM



"Your right hand, O LORD, is become glorious in power: your right hand, O LORD, has dashed in pieces the enemy." (King James)

"The God of Abraham" is primarily a God of War.

Forgiveness and mercy is not something he had a lot of.


That's close to being Exodus 15:6, which is still a song written by the Israelites. This is not attributed to God or the angels, so it's simply the Israelites praises for God saving them from Egypt. How you can take a song praising one facet of God's character as proof that God is a God of war would be puzzling, if I thought you cared about intellectual honesty.


There are a lot of different Bible versions.

"The Lord is a man of war; Yahweh is his name."

"The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name."

THE POINT IS THAT YAHWEH, JEHOVAH, IS A MAN OF WAR.

THAT MEANS HE KILLS PEOPLE.

WITHOUT MERCY.






But nevertheless this verse(s) is a song to God. It's not specifically knowledge from God that he is a God of war. This was man praising God, telling him thanks.

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Wed 06/13/12 06:14 PM


"Your right hand, O LORD, is become glorious in power: your right hand, O LORD, has dashed in pieces the enemy." (King James)

"The God of Abraham" is primarily a God of War.

Forgiveness and mercy is not something he had a lot of.


That's close to being Exodus 15:6, which is still a song written by the Israelites. This is not attributed to God or the angels, so it's simply the Israelites praises for God saving them from Egypt. How you can take a song praising one facet of God's character as proof that God is a God of war would be puzzling, if I thought you cared about intellectual honesty.



Well now there are more than just that one little verse that indicates that the God you worship is a man of war.

In fact the entire Bible is full of evidence to that.

Take the book of Joshua for example.

The order from God was to kill without mercy.




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Wed 06/13/12 06:17 PM




"Your right hand, O LORD, is become glorious in power: your right hand, O LORD, has dashed in pieces the enemy." (King James)

"The God of Abraham" is primarily a God of War.

Forgiveness and mercy is not something he had a lot of.


That's close to being Exodus 15:6, which is still a song written by the Israelites. This is not attributed to God or the angels, so it's simply the Israelites praises for God saving them from Egypt. How you can take a song praising one facet of God's character as proof that God is a God of war would be puzzling, if I thought you cared about intellectual honesty.


There are a lot of different Bible versions.

"The Lord is a man of war; Yahweh is his name."

"The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name."

THE POINT IS THAT YAHWEH, JEHOVAH, IS A MAN OF WAR.

THAT MEANS HE KILLS PEOPLE.

WITHOUT MERCY.






But nevertheless this verse(s) is a song to God. It's not specifically knowledge from God that he is a God of war. This was man praising God, telling him thanks.



It was ABOUT THE GOD OF WAR.

I have never claimed that it was the words of God or knowledge "from god." Even though I am constantly told by Christians that the Bible is all "knowledge from God." and "Inspired by God" and even "written by God."







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Wed 06/13/12 06:19 PM



"Your right hand, O LORD, is become glorious in power: your right hand, O LORD, has dashed in pieces the enemy." (King James)

"The God of Abraham" is primarily a God of War.

Forgiveness and mercy is not something he had a lot of.


That's close to being Exodus 15:6, which is still a song written by the Israelites. This is not attributed to God or the angels, so it's simply the Israelites praises for God saving them from Egypt. How you can take a song praising one facet of God's character as proof that God is a God of war would be puzzling, if I thought you cared about intellectual honesty.



Well now there are more than just that one little verse that indicates that the God you worship is a man of war.

In fact the entire Bible is full of evidence to that.

Take the book of Joshua for example.

The order from God was to kill without mercy.






Some of it is waring, yes this much is true. But nevertheless it was brought on these people by themselves and their choices. It wasn't just God saying "hmm, who to pick on now".

And yes, there was mercy. None of this would have happened if these people would have repented from the action(s) they were being punished for and asked for forgiveness. Again, they brought it upon themselves through their stuborness.

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Wed 06/13/12 06:20 PM
If I am correct, then this is the first example of God's mercy in the Bible. And goes further to show that the God of Abraham is forgiving and merciful.

Does anyone else have any opinion on this?



I feel I should remind you that you asked if anyone had an opinion on this. I think that occasionally that god may have shown some mercy, but that mercy and forgiveness was not something that came easy for him.







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Wed 06/13/12 06:20 PM





"Your right hand, O LORD, is become glorious in power: your right hand, O LORD, has dashed in pieces the enemy." (King James)

"The God of Abraham" is primarily a God of War.

Forgiveness and mercy is not something he had a lot of.


That's close to being Exodus 15:6, which is still a song written by the Israelites. This is not attributed to God or the angels, so it's simply the Israelites praises for God saving them from Egypt. How you can take a song praising one facet of God's character as proof that God is a God of war would be puzzling, if I thought you cared about intellectual honesty.


There are a lot of different Bible versions.

"The Lord is a man of war; Yahweh is his name."

"The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name."

THE POINT IS THAT YAHWEH, JEHOVAH, IS A MAN OF WAR.

THAT MEANS HE KILLS PEOPLE.

WITHOUT MERCY.






But nevertheless this verse(s) is a song to God. It's not specifically knowledge from God that he is a God of war. This was man praising God, telling him thanks.



It was ABOUT THE GOD OF WAR.

I have never claimed that it was the words of God or knowledge "from god." Even though I am constantly told by Christians that the Bible is all "knowledge from God." and "Inspired by God" and even "written by God."










Again, the word "God" means the authority, the superior being. So yes God is a God of war. There is nothing more powerful then he is. He is also a God of love and merci if that is sought after. If no one wishes for the love and merci, then how can one expect it?