Topic: State Sponsored Terrorism and massacre in Syria
willing2's photo
Fri 06/22/12 05:20 AM
How many wars do the liberal warmongers want us in?

They can't get enough dead babies.

The only report I see is where the UN. I can understand the poor dyslexical Liberal would see US instead of UN in the report.rofl rofl rofl rofl

Barry is already supporting the war efforts of too many Muslim terrorists already. He's even importing his army to put us in line.

Get the UN out of the US and get the US out of the UN.

Optomistic69's photo
Fri 06/22/12 05:45 AM
As Howard Zinn said "Who Benefits From Such Action"

That Question is put in This Video and The Answer is ............



[url[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtPyGH-FKJs

willing2's photo
Fri 06/22/12 05:52 AM
Edited by willing2 on Fri 06/22/12 05:52 AM

As Howard Zinn said "Who Benefits From Such Action"

That Question is put in This Video and The Answer is ............



[url[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtPyGH-FKJs

Now the Libs can call Hussein a warmongering criminal.

Cool. All that coming out of Iran. Isn't anything outside Iran and Lebanon Satanland?

Come back with a real newscast.
rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl



HotRodDeluxe's photo
Fri 06/22/12 05:54 AM



I never mentioned the US getting involved.

We are not the world police.


NEWS FLASH: The U.S. is already involved.


Washington and Tel Aviv have a coordinated policy of state-sponsored terrorism against Syria.


Really? Can you prove this? I mean, really prove this? You seem to conveniently omit the machinations of Russia, China and Iran in this uprising.


HotRodDeluxe's photo
Fri 06/22/12 06:00 AM
Stratfor:

"A Syrian MiG-21 fighter jet landed at the King Hussein Air Base in Mafraq, northwest Jordan, near the border with Syria at 11 a.m. June 21, according to reports. Opposition activists immediately said the pilot, identified by Al Arabiya news channel as Hassan Mari Hamada, had defected.

There is symbolic value in the purported defection because of the regime's historical ties to the air force. As a result, distrust of the mostly Sunni pilot cadre will grow, and the government may turn to foreign pilots -- with possible assistance from Russia -- as an alternative, more reliable option.

Analysis

The Syrian Arab Air Force has a highly symbolic relationship with the regime. Most notably, late Syrian President Hafez al Assad, current President Bashar al Assad's father, was commissioned as one of the first Alawites to serve in the air force, and his support within the service was instrumental in the 1963 coup he helped orchestrate. Most of the pilots are Sunnis, but Alawites -- the minority sect that controls the government and armed forces and to which the al Assads belong -- dominate the logistical support functions, including the ground crew, air traffic control and the air force's intelligence division.

The regime has kept the force largely involved in training or transport missions or occupied elsewhere, in part due to fear of possible defections, and has kept a close watch over pilots.

Because Syria's air force is now being used more constantly to quell restive cities, it is logical that some of the Sunni pilots, who may feel less loyalty to the regime than Alawite pilots, might defect.

If a pilot has defected, it would create tension within the air force. It would trigger an internal cleansing as the intelligence directorate works to uncover who knew of the pilot's intentions and who else might be involved. The pilot's closest colleagues, friends, family and senior officers or others at his base will be questioned -- some likely tortured and others placed under surveillance.

This comes at a very bad time for the Syrian regime, which has stepped up its offensive against the rebels in recent weeks and is increasingly relying on airpower. The military has been using attack helicopters, not fixed-wing aircraft, to fight the uprising. But attack helicopters -- and their pilots -- are also part of the Syrian air force, and the question of pilots' loyalty in general will now be pushed to the forefront. "


s1owhand's photo
Fri 06/22/12 06:03 AM


The state sponsoring terrorism in Syria is...drumroll please....?

SYRIA!



Well I hope that a suitable coalition can be mustered by the Intl
community to confront this brutality just as was done in Libya.
For the benefit of the poor innocent Syrian protestors who are
getting massacred by their own government.

willing2's photo
Fri 06/22/12 06:08 AM



The state sponsoring terrorism in Syria is...drumroll please....?

SYRIA!



Well I hope that a suitable coalition can be mustered by the Intl
community to confront this brutality just as was done in Libya.
For the benefit of the poor innocent Syrian protestors who are
getting massacred by their own government.

That's the way the MSM will portray US citizens when our Gov. turns on us.

HotRodDeluxe's photo
Fri 06/22/12 06:08 AM

Stratfor:


Are Syria's Rebels Getting Foreign Support?




A video recently posted to the Internet depicting an improvised explosive device (IED) attack in Syria has garnered a great deal of attention. A Syrian militant group called the Hawks Brigade of the Levant claimed the attack, which targeted a Syrian government armored troop bus as it traveled along a road near a rebel stronghold in the Idlib governorate. According to the group, the attack depicted in the video employed a type of IED called an explosively formed penetrator (EFP). Though the video was shot from a fairly long distance away, it does appear that the IED punched a substantial and focused hole through the armored bus -- precisely the type of effect that would be expected if an EFP were employed against such a target.

EFPs are a logical tool for militants to use against superior government forces that are heavily dependent upon armor. EFPs pose a significant threat to armored vehicles, which the Syrian military has utilized extensively, and quite effectively, in its campaign against Syrian rebel groups.

Studying the IED technology employed by a militant group is an important way to determine the group's logistics situation and trajectory. It can also be a way to discern if a group is receiving outside training and logistical assistance.

Explosively Formed Penetrators

An explosively formed penetrator, sometimes called an explosively formed projectile, is a simple device composed of a case, a liner and explosive filler. EFPs have been part of many countries' military inventories for years. The U.S. Army, for example, added the M2 Selectable Lightweight Attack Munition (aptly named the SLAM) to its inventory in 1990. Improvised EFP devices can also be constructed by non-state actors; they were widely used to target U.S. military vehicles in Iraq.

The employment of an EFP device in the field also requires a detonator and a firing chain to initiate the detonator. The firing chain can vary widely, from a hardwired command-detonated system to an improvised victim-actuated system that is triggered inadvertently by the target and involves modifying things like the infrared safety beam from a garage door opener.

The case of an improvised EFP is often constructed from a short section of well-casing pipe with a steel plate welded to one end. A small hole is drilled in the plate to allow a blasting cap to be inserted. The pipe is then filled with high explosive, and a metal liner -- most often made of copper -- is affixed over the open end of the pipe.

EFPs utilize the same general principle as a shaped charge. In a traditional shaped-charge munition like the warhead on an anti-tank rocket, a thin metal cone is used to achieve a focusing effect. When crushed, the concave metal cone in the warhead becomes a molten, high-velocity projectile that, with a jet of super-heated gas from the explosive, penetrates the armor. However, in order for a shaped charge to work most effectively and achieve maximum penetration it must detonate at a precise, relatively short distance from its target. In a munition like a rocket-propelled grenade, an empty space between the nose of the warhead and the copper cone generally provides the required standoff distance.

The EFP munition is somewhat like a traditional shaped charge, but it incorporates a metal liner with less of an angle. So instead of forming a cone, the liner is more of a concave lens or dish shape. The EFP also uses a heavier liner that is formed into a slug or "penetrator" when the device is detonated. The penetrator is then propelled at the target at an extremely high velocity. The difference in the shape and weight of the liner allows the EFP to be deployed from a greater distance than a traditional shaped charge.

Because the components required to construct EFPs are simple, such devices can be fabricated inexpensively and out of readily available materials. Well-casing pipe and steel plate, for example, are widely available in almost any region of the world. Moreover, making the EFP casing from these elements requires little skill and simple machinery, such as a welder, a grinder and a drill.

The copper liner is the sophisticated part of the device, requiring a bit more precision in its fabrication. If the liner is not formed in a precise manner, the devices will tend to spit copper shrapnel rather than create a truly effective penetrator. However, once the proper shape of the liner is determined, either by copying the shape of the liner in a professionally designed EFP device or by trial and testing, the liners can be fabricated somewhat easily using a form and a hydraulic press.

Because of its ability to focus the force of an explosive charge, a small EFP containing just a few kilograms of high explosive can cause far more damage to an armored vehicle than can a traditional IED made with much more high-explosive material. This means a militant bombmaker can make hundreds of EFP devices from the explosive filler required to make one large vehicle-borne improvised explosive device (VBIED). And since they are small, EFPs are easily concealed and harder to detect than larger devices. They can also be placed next to the road rather than having to be buried in the road like an anti-tank mine. However, to function effectively and to project the penetrator into the optimal area of a vehicle, an EFP device does need to be positioned properly to allow for the appropriate standoff distance and aimed at the appropriate height for the targeted vehicle. It also needs to be deployed in a manner that allows for precise timing, whether the device is command-detonated or victim-actuated.

EFPs used in Iraq, Lebanon and the Palestinian territories have proved to be highly effective against armored vehicles -- even main battle tanks. And they are downright deadly against lighter vehicles like armored personnel carriers, transport trucks, jeeps and Humvees -- or the armored bus shown in the Syria video.

Indicators of Foreign Support

Much can be discerned from a careful examination of the IEDs a militant organization employs in its attacks. For example, in the 1970s the rapid increase of bombmaking skill in Palestinian and other Marxist-oriented militant groups clearly displayed that those groups had received training from professional bombmakers dispatched by state sponsors. Indeed, decades before al Qaeda opened training camps in Pakistan and Afghanistan, training camps in Lebanon's Bekaa Valley, the People's Democratic Republic of Yemen, Libya and Iraq were filled with militants from all over the world, and particular bombmaking techniques that appeared in distinct areas could be traced back to individual bombmakers who attended training courses together at those locations. Later, the emergence of signature IEDs in places such as El Salvador and Colombia demonstrated that bombmakers from the Provisional Irish Republican Army (PIRA) and Basque militant group ETA had been passing along their training to a new generation of militants in those countries -- a fact later backed up by the arrests of some of the bombmakers.

In many of the early jihadist attacks against U.S. interests in places such as Yemen, specific techniques utilized by some bombmakers made it obvious to investigators that they had received training at camps in Pakistan and brought their training home with them after fighting against the Soviets in Afghanistan. Later, after receiving training from Hezbollah, al Qaeda began to display hallmarks of Hezbollah's influence in its IED designs.

The use of signature explosives, like Semtex H, by groups such as the PIRA and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command also demonstrated a distinct logistical link between state sponsors of terrorism like Libya and their militant proxies. Indeed, under the Gadhafi regime, the Libyans were even known to use the diplomatic pouch to smuggle Semtex to their embassies in places like London, where the explosives were then provided to militant proxies for use in attacks.

In more recent years, there were rapid advances in the IEDs employed by Nigerian militant group Boko Haram. When the group's IEDs progressed from small, crude devices to large suicide VBIEDs in the span of six months, it clearly indicated that the group's bombmakers had received external training.

In another recent case, underpowered suicide VBIEDs employed by al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb have demonstrated that the group's commanders in northern Algeria have a desire to attack and an abundance of suicide operatives, but are having difficulty amassing enough explosive material to create effective VBIEDs. This information allows analysts to gauge the type of threat such a group poses.

Which brings us back to EFPs. In Iraq, EFPs were most widely used by Shiite militants, who received copper liners for their improvised EFP devices from Iran's Quds Force. Indeed, the emergence of EFPs in Iraq was a strong indicator of Iran's support for the Shiite militias in Iraq.

Though Syria shares a border with Iraq, one cannot simply assume that EFP technology has spilled across the border. Certainly, the principle behind EFPs is simple enough, but the EFPs in Iraq were largely used by Shiite militants, who are aligned with Iran and, by extension, the Syrian regime. The Quds Force is unlikely to have provided copper liners for improvised EFPs to the Sunni militants in Syria or to have permitted its Iraqi proxies to transfer them. (However, it is entirely possible that an entrepreneurial-minded Shi'i who had some of the liners could have sold them to a Sunni militant, who then furnished them to Syrian militants.)

It will be important to monitor how many EFPs Syrian militants deploy. If they deploy only a few EFP devices in scattered locations, they may be obtaining liners on an ad hoc basis. However, if EFPs are deployed in a broad, systematic fashion, it will be an indication -- though certainly not conclusive evidence -- that the Syrian militants are receiving supplies from an external source. The precision and effectiveness with which any such devices are employed will also be telling of the training the militants employing them have received. A domestically developed EFP capability will have some failures and inconsistencies -- the sorts of problems frequently evidenced as a bombmaker advances along the bombmaking learning curve. Such growing pains will be absent if the Syrian militants are aided by outside training and logistics.

There are many ways that one can judge the degree of foreign support that a militant group is receiving. The indicators can include anything from uniforms and assault rifles to the presence of increasing numbers of anti-tank guided missiles and man-portable air defense systems. But more subtle indications, such as those involving IED components and bombmaking skills, should not be overlooked.



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Fri 06/22/12 06:13 AM



The state sponsoring terrorism in Syria is...drumroll please....?

SYRIA!


The revolt is as simple as the Sunni majority trying to shed the hegemony of their Alawite overlords.


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Fri 06/22/12 10:08 AM


Everything Involves Israel because they are the center of all of the Middle East conflicts. But it is not just "Israel." It is not about Israel. It is about the Brotherhood of the Snake secret societies who are the Bankers and are attempting to control the world's wealth.

Any time America (and its allies like Russia) get involved in any conflict such as this naturally Israel is also involved. DUH!!!

You have been told. You can ignore what is happening and deny it, but it will not be long before you will be eating your words. Just wait and see what happens next.


no photo
Fri 06/22/12 10:19 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Fri 06/22/12 10:22 AM
In a nutshell, the CIA has been in Syria for quite a while looking for a rebel group that shows some kind of serious promise to use them to and arm them and encourage them to over throw their government.

But these so called "rebels" are nothing more than small groups or gangs and there has not been any serious plan to lead the country into any revolution. The people are discontent but they are not organized enough for a civil war.

So they will probably send in someone to do it for them. As for killing innocent civilians, that is the state sponsored terrorism. These terrorists are not just small gangs, they have military weapons and helicopters etc. They need to be identified. They are the terrorists.




willing2's photo
Fri 06/22/12 10:23 AM
Palestine kids at play. Or, is it training for their role in killing Israelis?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vByyNsQFOq0&feature=player_embedded
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If the women wuz all this hot, I could consider joinin' up wit da' Tin Foil Hat Society.



Unfortunately, there is a forest of these to get to the hot ones.


no photo
Fri 06/22/12 10:25 AM
The methods of operation for these events are so predictable its laughable. This Cabal has no imagination and they do the same things over and over again, as if they are following an instruction manual.


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Fri 06/22/12 10:31 AM




The state sponsoring terrorism in Syria is...drumroll please....?

SYRIA!


The revolt is as simple as the Sunni majority trying to shed the hegemony of their Alawite overlords.




EXACTLY! It is a CONSPIRACY of the Alawite Overlords for
WORLD DOMINATION. Probably they are all secret Rothschildren.

laugh

If you look hard enough they all begin to resemble Bill Gates.

rofl

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Fri 06/22/12 10:46 AM
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Fri 06/22/12 10:56 AM


The American people need to wake the hell up.


For acts of terrorism against Iran, I assumed it was the MOSSAD simply because they can't do anything without leaving easter egg clues behind. It's like batman vs the riddler.

For the attacks against Syria, I assumed CIA from the beginning, at least. For the most part, residents would not be interviewed because they knew even the Al Ja was lying about them. The Iranian Ninja women propaganda fooled me for at least a minute.

Most will never wake up, in spite of Orwellian drones flying over US air space. In fact, many never even saw the movie that created the term, "Orwellian". On a positive note, we are at a timing point. More than 1 in 8 people are awake, at least to the concept that something is wrong.



Thanks for the positive note. More people will awaken soon, and for some of them it will be a very rude awakening.



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Fri 06/22/12 11:01 AM



The American people need to wake the hell up.


For acts of terrorism against Iran, I assumed it was the MOSSAD simply because they can't do anything without leaving easter egg clues behind. It's like batman vs the riddler.

For the attacks against Syria, I assumed CIA from the beginning, at least. For the most part, residents would not be interviewed because they knew even the Al Ja was lying about them. The Iranian Ninja women propaganda fooled me for at least a minute.

Most will never wake up, in spite of Orwellian drones flying over US air space. In fact, many never even saw the movie that created the term, "Orwellian". On a positive note, we are at a timing point. More than 1 in 8 people are awake, at least to the concept that something is wrong.



Thanks for the positive note. More people will awaken soon, and for some of them it will be a very rude awakening.





scared

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Fri 06/22/12 11:11 AM
From the Christian Science Monitor.


CIA aiding Syria rebels:

Usually, that's just the beginning

The US is wading into ever murkier waters in Syria with unpredictable consequences.

A Syrian government pilot defected to Jordan with his plane today, and Russia continued to complain that a British insurance company stood in the way of a shipment of armaments designed to help Syrian President Bashar al-Assad's regime to survive.


But the most interesting piece of news today is about weapons flowing to rebels inside the country.

The New York Times reports, citing anonymous sources, that CIA officers have been helping to pick and chose which Syrian opposition groups receive weapons supplied by Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar.

The light weapons are being smuggled into Syria by Syria's Muslim Brotherhood and other groups, the Times reports. CIA "officers have been in southern Turkey for several weeks, in part to help keep weapons out of the hands of fighters allied with Al Qaeda or other terrorist groups, one senior American official said. The Obama administration has said it is not providing arms to the rebels," the Times writes.

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Backchannels/2012/0621/CIA-aiding-Syria-rebels-Usually-that-s-just-the-beginning



no photo
Fri 06/22/12 11:27 AM
The Ford Foundation and the CIA (History)

The CIA uses philanthropic foundations as the most effective conduit to channel large sums of money to Agency projects without alerting the recipients to their source. From the early 1950s to the present the CIA's intrusion into the foundation field was and is huge. A U.S. Congressional investigation in 1976 revealed that nearly 50% of the 700 grants in the field of international activities by the principal foundations were funded by the CIA (Who Paid the Piper? The CIA and the Cultural Cold War, Frances Stonor Saunders, Granta Books, 1999, pp. 134-135). The CIA considers foundations such as Ford "The best and most plausible kind of funding cover" (Ibid, p. 135).

The collaboration of respectable and prestigious foundations, according to one former CIA operative, allowed the Agency to fund "a seemingly limitless range of covert action programs affecting youth groups, labor unions, universities, publishing houses and other private institutions" (p. 135). The latter included "human rights" groups beginning in the 1950s to the present. One of the most important "private foundations" collaborating with the CIA over a significant span of time in major projects in the cultural Cold War is the Ford Foundation.

This essay will demonstrate that the Ford Foundation-CIA connection was a deliberate, conscious joint effort to strengthen U.S. imperial cultural hegemony and to undermine left-wing political and cultural influence. We will proceed by examining the historical links between the Ford Foundation and the CIA during the Cold War, by examining the Presidents of the Foundation, their joint projects and goals as well as their common efforts in various cultural areas.

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/FordFandCIA.html

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Fri 06/22/12 12:10 PM
I haven't given Syria a very close look, and without the Internet we Americans probably would not know anything about what is happening in the world.

Most people know by now that most of the major media is controlled and censored and people who want to be informed will look for news on the Internet and they will look to other countries, and even personal blogs.

Getting through the garbage is easy when you learn to recognize people's agenda's and biases.

The one world government will eventually happen. People will eventually accept it. The method of operation is glaringly obvious and predictable.

This is what will most likely happen in Syria:

Chaos will be necessary. You can't let the people know what is happening or who is doing it. You can't let the government know what is happening or who is doing it.

Propaganda within the country will be necessary.

Terrorism will be necessary to enrage the people to a point that they will accept arms from outsiders and fight against what they believe is their government.

Before the coup is finished, a puppet leader must be in place, ready to take over the country. He will have his "handlers."

I don't think they have that yet, but they are probably working on it. How long this will take, I don't know. I have not been paying a lot of attention to what is going on there. One thing for sure is that a coup is in the works and has been for a while. It may or may not succeed.