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Topic: Discretion or Full Disclosure?
msharmony's photo
Sun 04/20/14 11:34 AM

There are those of us that don't have any qualms about publicly exposing our naked bodies and sexual acts, hence the existence of nude beaches, nudist colonies, and online porn sites where people can join others of like mind and personal proclivities to share in their various experiences.

Likewise, there are also those of us that do have qualms about exposing ourselves at all, and in any light.

So my multiple-pronged questions are...

Regardless if we are for or against this obviously controversial lifestyle choice activity, shouldn't we respect each others right to express ourselves in whatever manner we are comfortable, whether it is open-minded or prudish?

And shouldn't we respect ourselves and each other by not gossiping about what we learn through our dating experiences? Or does getting involved in a relationship that may not last primarily due to our differences automatically give us license to spread the word?

Please keep your responses on point and don't use this topic as a means to attack other members or to reveal their private business you may be privy too.



right to express ourselves? hmm,,, my belief is in personal space

I believe people should 'express' themselves however they wish in their 'personal space' but when their space overlaps mine,, or when mine overlaps theirs,,,, there is much more to consider then the self or the self desire for 'expression'



nudists with other nudists should be no ones business, but nudists also should not make demands or have expectations that others must observe or accept nudity in their presence,,,


as to spreading the word, vs gossiping,, someone else kind of touched on it,, I consider 'gossip' to be spreading second hand in formation that may or may not be true,,,

If I knew something about a specific person that I thought would be helpful to others who were in or considered being in a relationship with them, Id have no qualms with sharing,,,, If I had an experience with someone that I thought others could relate to or learn from, Id have no qualms sharing that either

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Sun 04/20/14 12:18 PM
Edited by ridewytepony on Sun 04/20/14 12:25 PM


It can be healthy to talk about and read peoples experiences and
the does and donts of relationships because the more you read something positive that you would like to adhere to, the firmer
you will be with it. Many know the right thing to do and the way they should be treated but can still fall short.
So repeat repeat repeat or you will repeat repeat repeat.


I very much agree that we can learn from each other. What works and what doesn't.

And based on this premise, I'll state emphatically that it's not polite for anybody, for any reason, to publicly speak ugly about those we have fallen out with. Even if the insults are subtly lobbed.

Just because one person isn't our cup of tea doesn't mean the next one won't be.

And unless we've been financially scammed or our computers have gotten viruses and the like by those with the skill to seek revenge in this manner, thereby giving us sufficient reason to "warn" others to steer clear, then we should live and let live.


You don't paint everybody with the same brush (all men or all woman) and yes some people just may not be suited for us and can drive us crazy bringing out the worst in us but it doesn't mean they can't find happiness with another.I have had some terrible relationships and there's was terrible things that they did but there was equally great things about them,that's the reason we often stay together to long as its hard to let go of the good.

Hate is like an acid;
It damages the vessels in which bit is stored and destroys the vessels on which it is poured.
-Ann Landers

One of the nicer things a person can do for themselves is forgive
a person that has treated them badly and knowing this, I would not
give someone the stage to display hatred,even in the advice threads,
there is another side somewhere.
As it goes;
There are three sides to 'every' story.
His side,her side and the truth.

Who cares if myself or people randomly drop something about
an unpleasant experience,for the most part it doesn't make the
person bitter or revengeful. In my case I don't even know is they
are alive today,this is the only place I've spoke on the internet.
I think you are talking about bullying mainly and I have been on
the bad end of that...am I aloud o say thatspock



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Sun 04/20/14 12:29 PM

I know this guy that went to a disco and he met a girl there that gave him a handjob. Afterwards when they were having a chat she said to him that she was just about to start the high school.

WTF is the problem with me telling you that? You don't know the guy that I'm talking about, or the girl. They are anonymous. For all that you know, I just made that story up.

What I see on this forum is a few people that are open about themselves and their experiences and a load of trolls that just come here to take pot shots at them, while keeping all of their own closet skeletons "discreet".

Take away the stuff that you're talking about and you're left with the dull repetitive threads where every knucklef**ker on this forum just repeats their moral prejudices ad nausiem apparently in some lame atempt to impress people that are going to do what? Jump on a plane and marry them?



Hi Tawt, it's nice to read from you again. :smile:

The example about gossip that you proffer for comparison though leaves me just as confused as you might be by what I'm expressing. Although if it were true I might ask for more details just out of curiosity. :wink:

What I do understand and wholeheartedly agree with you about is that there are people who are open and sharing, and there are others taking pot shots while they hide behind their superior attitudes.

And there are lots of repetitive threads where we do sometimes repeat ourselves because new people come on board and ask the same questions, are seeking similar advice, or are experiencing the same frustrations being pestered by scammers/players that are old news to us, but is a completely unknown experience to the newbies who may be shocked and want to voice their opinions about things too.

For whatever reasons we all interact, I doubt very seriously if any of us truly believes that anyone is going to be so smitten that we will be swept off our feet to get married.

Though the idea does have the makings of a good fantasy.

flowerforyou

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Sun 04/20/14 12:32 PM


I know this guy that went to a disco and he met a girl there that gave him a handjob. Afterwards when they were having a chat she said to him that she was just about to start the high school.

WTF is the problem with me telling you that? You don't know the guy that I'm talking about, or the girl. They are anonymous. For all that you know, I just made that story up.

Only the folks who are better acquainted will understand what she's trina say. I cant figure it out what the problem is either.


Kic, there is no problem, this is just another conversation in the midst of many more conversations. Maybe with a slightly different twist. smile2

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Sun 04/20/14 01:00 PM


There are those of us that don't have any qualms about publicly exposing our naked bodies and sexual acts, hence the existence of nude beaches, nudist colonies, and online porn sites where people can join others of like mind and personal proclivities to share in their various experiences.

Likewise, there are also those of us that do have qualms about exposing ourselves at all, and in any light.

So my multiple-pronged questions are...

Regardless if we are for or against this obviously controversial lifestyle choice activity, shouldn't we respect each others right to express ourselves in whatever manner we are comfortable, whether it is open-minded or prudish?

And shouldn't we respect ourselves and each other by not gossiping about what we learn through our dating experiences? Or does getting involved in a relationship that may not last primarily due to our differences automatically give us license to spread the word?

Please keep your responses on point and don't use this topic as a means to attack other members or to reveal their private business you may be privy too.

If I knew something about a specific person that I thought would be helpful to others who were in or considered being in a relationship with them, Id have no qualms with sharing,,,, If I had an experience with someone that I thought others could relate to or learn from, Id have no qualms sharing that either


Hi msharmony, it's good to see you again. flowerforyou

And I hope you don't mind my taking a different view on your willingness to share what you know.

First of all, when two strangers meet and become attracted to each other the chemistry that bonds them isn't the same as it is between them and the others they've been with already or those yet to come.

Every relationship is different.

When a couple breaks up and one partner tells their friends both sides while making themselves look like a victim or a misunderstood hero they are leveling the playing field in their favor.

And possibly even prejudicing the hearers of their version so as to deliberately ostracize the partner who prefers to keep their business private.

You said it yourself, that you are motivated to spill the beans because you think you're being helpful to another person who gets interested in the person being talked about.

But... is it positive reinforcement to encourage unity, or negative news (gossip) that's meant to keep people apart?

No two people experience each other the same way others experience them. Because if we're smart we learn from our mistakes and try to improve ourselves so we stand a better chance of a connection lasting the next time.

If we go around telling each new interested party what we know then we are in fact interfering with the personal experience of the two trying to get to know each other.

Personally, I think the only time anyone should divulge knowledge of a private nature is if it will protect another person from serious danger. Not just from a person's quirks, sexual preferences, idiosyncrasies, etc...

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Sun 04/20/14 01:30 PM



It can be healthy to talk about and read peoples experiences and
the does and donts of relationships because the more you read something positive that you would like to adhere to, the firmer
you will be with it. Many know the right thing to do and the way they should be treated but can still fall short.
So repeat repeat repeat or you will repeat repeat repeat.


I very much agree that we can learn from each other. What works and what doesn't.

And based on this premise, I'll state emphatically that it's not polite for anybody, for any reason, to publicly speak ugly about those we have fallen out with. Even if the insults are subtly lobbed.

Just because one person isn't our cup of tea doesn't mean the next one won't be.

And unless we've been financially scammed or our computers have gotten viruses and the like by those with the skill to seek revenge in this manner, thereby giving us sufficient reason to "warn" others to steer clear, then we should live and let live.


You don't paint everybody with the same brush (all men or all woman) and yes some people just may not be suited for us and can drive us crazy bringing out the worst in us but it doesn't mean they can't find happiness with another.I have had some terrible relationships and there's was terrible things that they did but there was equally great things about them,that's the reason we often stay together to long as its hard to let go of the good.

Hate is like an acid;
It damages the vessels in which bit is stored and destroys the vessels on which it is poured.
-Ann Landers

One of the nicer things a person can do for themselves is forgive
a person that has treated them badly and knowing this, I would not
give someone the stage to display hatred,even in the advice threads,
there is another side somewhere.
As it goes;
There are three sides to 'every' story.
His side,her side and the truth.

Who cares if myself or people randomly drop something about
an unpleasant experience,for the most part it doesn't make the
person bitter or revengeful. In my case I don't even know is they
are alive today,this is the only place I've spoke on the internet.
I think you are talking about bullying mainly and I have been on
the bad end of that...am I aloud o say thatspock


Hi pony... no, I don't paint everybody the same. We, men and women, are all individuals and as such we each have our own unique qualities and perspectives.

And I like how you describe the passion that brings us together and often times keeps us lingering in the heat far too long because it's comfortable to stay with what we know.

As for randomly sharing our experiences that are meant to enlighten or entertain when there's no personal agenda that's meant to hurt someone we're referring too if they happen to be around, that's a horse of a different color. And perfectly acceptable.

Although I've experienced serious bullying in the distant past as part of my initiation I presume, I'm not referring to bullying now.

Only the dignity and respect that I personally believe we should treat each other with regardless to our differences. And if we don't have something nice to say then we shouldn't say anything at all.

Shy_Emo_chick's photo
Sun 04/20/14 02:02 PM

Regardless if we are for or against this obviously controversial lifestyle choice activity, shouldn't we respect each others right to express ourselves in whatever manner we are comfortable, whether it is open-minded or prudish?


For sure ;) The only time I forbade that sort of activity, is if there's children around. I wouldn't want to scar them for life. lol. It may mean me having to take trips to adult-only holiday resorts/clubs.



And shouldn't we respect ourselves and each other by not gossiping about what we learn through our dating experiences? Or does getting involved in a relationship that may not last primarily due to our differences automatically give us license to spread the word?


I don't believe in gossiping. Friendly banter about our inner circle of friends, I don't mind at all, but if it starts to get slightly malicious, I normally tend to back away, as we're not in high school anymore. So if you have a problem with anyone, you should sort it out with them, otherwise words can become poisonous.

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Sun 04/20/14 02:35 PM


Regardless if we are for or against this obviously controversial lifestyle choice activity, shouldn't we respect each others right to express ourselves in whatever manner we are comfortable, whether it is open-minded or prudish?


For sure ;) The only time I forbade that sort of activity, is if there's children around. I wouldn't want to scar them for life. lol. It may mean me having to take trips to adult-only holiday resorts/clubs.



And shouldn't we respect ourselves and each other by not gossiping about what we learn through our dating experiences? Or does getting involved in a relationship that may not last primarily due to our differences automatically give us license to spread the word?


I don't believe in gossiping. Friendly banter about our inner circle of friends, I don't mind at all, but if it starts to get slightly malicious, I normally tend to back away, as we're not in high school anymore. So if you have a problem with anyone, you should sort it out with them, otherwise words can become poisonous.



I very much like your attitude and words of wisdom.

It's nice to meet you, Shy_Emo_chick. flowerforyou

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Sun 04/20/14 02:40 PM



Regardless if we are for or against this obviously controversial lifestyle choice activity, shouldn't we respect each others right to express ourselves in whatever manner we are comfortable, whether it is open-minded or prudish?


For sure ;) The only time I forbade that sort of activity, is if there's children around. I wouldn't want to scar them for life. lol. It may mean me having to take trips to adult-only holiday resorts/clubs.



And shouldn't we respect ourselves and each other by not gossiping about what we learn through our dating experiences? Or does getting involved in a relationship that may not last primarily due to our differences automatically give us license to spread the word?


I don't believe in gossiping. Friendly banter about our inner circle of friends, I don't mind at all, but if it starts to get slightly malicious, I normally tend to back away, as we're not in high school anymore. So if you have a problem with anyone, you should sort it out with them, otherwise words can become poisonous.



I very much like your attitude and words of wisdom.

It's nice to meet you, Shy_Emo_chick. flowerforyou


P.S. I don't have a problem with anyone, this is just a sensitive subject to discuss.

Shy_Emo_chick's photo
Sun 04/20/14 02:40 PM

I very much like your attitude and words of wisdom.

It's nice to meet you, Shy_Emo_chick. flowerforyou


How nice. You too flowerforyou

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Sun 04/20/14 06:16 PM

There are those of us that don't have any qualms about publicly exposing our naked bodies and sexual acts, hence the existence of nude beaches, nudist colonies, and online porn sites where people can join others of like mind and personal proclivities to share in their various experiences.

Likewise, there are also those of us that do have qualms about exposing ourselves at all, and in any light.

So my multiple-pronged questions are...

Regardless if we are for or against this obviously controversial lifestyle choice activity, shouldn't we respect each others right to express ourselves in whatever manner we are comfortable, whether it is open-minded or prudish?

And shouldn't we respect ourselves and each other by not gossiping about what we learn through our dating experiences? Or does getting involved in a relationship that may not last primarily due to our differences automatically give us license to spread the word?

Please keep your responses on point and don't use this topic as a means to attack other members or to reveal their private business you may be privy too.
the second question is easy. All intimate matters between a couple are completely and absolutely private. period. any divergent path from that is grounds for immediate break up. Others may be more tolerant or choose, together, to share some information with mutual friends. that is different than spreading gossip. I can't imagine anyone with any sense of maturity, dignity, respect or self respect violating a partner's privacy.

When expressing ourselves about matters that are sexual in nature it is wise to consider your audience. Not everyone may be comfortable watching you renact your latest porn scenes (not you personally - whomever). If that happened at a party, I would leave (as I have done in the past).

There are particular places like nude beaches and other nude clubs for those who are comfortable with that. No, you would not find me there. I think those who are into that should confine themselves to places where it is permitted. As far as the site. The rules specify PG-13 and I don;t think we should give the Mods a difficult time by challenging that.

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Sun 04/20/14 06:22 PM



Sometimes just starting another post and infusing parts of others posts in order to instigate a negative vibe while taking subtle jabs at them is all it takes to get gossip going.

Still, on a dating site, should we always be discreet, or cleverly disclose what we know while feigning it's not intentional.


My personal opinion is that it's bad form to instigate negative vibes, or try to cleverly circumvent decorum with malicious intent. Those that choose to resort to that type behavior however, are perhaps shinning an even brighter spotlight on themselves. spock

If on the other hand the intent behind disclosure is to warn, caution etc, when possible I think it's more appropriate to do so privately.


My father told me that a real gentleman doesn't kiss and tell, and men who do talk should be avoided at all cost. Likewise, a real lady doesn't talk either. What's between two (or more) people is private unless they equally decide to go public.

As for warning others... well...

Sometimes with relationships people like to stick their nose in where it doesn't belong. Kinda like some mother-in-laws do...

But especially in small, tight knit communities where everybody likes to know everybody elses business. And we choose sides either for or against depending on who we like and know more about.

The problem with cautioning people with details is that they may very well be spun in such a way as to deliberately make people look bad so it's more difficult for them to find somebody else.

The motive behind this type of "cautioning" can be jealousy, resentment, even anger over a break up. So unless we really know everyone involved we have to take what people say with a grain of salt.

Here I go slightly veering... scared


I really do not think you are veering. The whole idea of "warning" others is a good point. It definitely should be done privately. I would only do that in the most extreme circumstances. If a woman here tried to "warn" me about a man on here based on her experience, I would definitely want to hear his side of things. Unless he was an axe murderer or maybe lying about being married, I doubt her "warnings" would have much impact. I make up my own mind.

longboardernew's photo
Sun 04/20/14 11:03 PM
I am open to almost any thing but I also have to think long and hard about other stuff so I would be mounting the fence on this topic

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Mon 04/21/14 12:21 AM


There are those of us that don't have any qualms about publicly exposing our naked bodies and sexual acts, hence the existence of nude beaches, nudist colonies, and online porn sites where people can join others of like mind and personal proclivities to share in their various experiences.

Likewise, there are also those of us that do have qualms about exposing ourselves at all, and in any light.

So my multiple-pronged questions are...

Regardless if we are for or against this obviously controversial lifestyle choice activity, shouldn't we respect each others right to express ourselves in whatever manner we are comfortable, whether it is open-minded or prudish?

And shouldn't we respect ourselves and each other by not gossiping about what we learn through our dating experiences? Or does getting involved in a relationship that may not last primarily due to our differences automatically give us license to spread the word?

Please keep your responses on point and don't use this topic as a means to attack other members or to reveal their private business you may be privy too.
the second question is easy. All intimate matters between a couple are completely and absolutely private. period. any divergent path from that is grounds for immediate break up. Others may be more tolerant or choose, together, to share some information with mutual friends. that is different than spreading gossip. I can't imagine anyone with any sense of maturity, dignity, respect or self respect violating a partner's privacy.

When expressing ourselves about matters that are sexual in nature it is wise to consider your audience. Not everyone may be comfortable watching you renact your latest porn scenes (not you personally - whomever). If that happened at a party, I would leave (as I have done in the past).

There are particular places like nude beaches and other nude clubs for those who are comfortable with that. No, you would not find me there. I think those who are into that should confine themselves to places where it is permitted. As far as the site. The rules specify PG-13 and I don;t think we should give the Mods a difficult time by challenging that.


Hi sweetestgirl, it's nice to see you. flowerforyou

I couldn't imagine anyone violating personal privacy either until it happened to me. And the not so much of a gentleman (and not online) actually bragged about things.

It was MORTIFYING! But taught me a hard lesson.

Since then I'm very particular about guys with loose lips and can spot them from a mile a way.

It's not that I'm doing anything embarrassing or wrong and that I fear it might be made public, because I'm pretty open minded, it's the respect factor.

A man, or a woman, that doesn't know how to respect themselves and those they're with by revealing personal information either to make themselves look good or their partner look bad is a permanent turn off to me.

Once burned, twice shy I guess...

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Mon 04/21/14 12:37 AM




Sometimes just starting another post and infusing parts of others posts in order to instigate a negative vibe while taking subtle jabs at them is all it takes to get gossip going.

Still, on a dating site, should we always be discreet, or cleverly disclose what we know while feigning it's not intentional.


My personal opinion is that it's bad form to instigate negative vibes, or try to cleverly circumvent decorum with malicious intent. Those that choose to resort to that type behavior however, are perhaps shinning an even brighter spotlight on themselves. spock

If on the other hand the intent behind disclosure is to warn, caution etc, when possible I think it's more appropriate to do so privately.


My father told me that a real gentleman doesn't kiss and tell, and men who do talk should be avoided at all cost. Likewise, a real lady doesn't talk either. What's between two (or more) people is private unless they equally decide to go public.

As for warning others... well...

Sometimes with relationships people like to stick their nose in where it doesn't belong. Kinda like some mother-in-laws do...

But especially in small, tight knit communities where everybody likes to know everybody elses business. And we choose sides either for or against depending on who we like and know more about.

The problem with cautioning people with details is that they may very well be spun in such a way as to deliberately make people look bad so it's more difficult for them to find somebody else.

The motive behind this type of "cautioning" can be jealousy, resentment, even anger over a break up. So unless we really know everyone involved we have to take what people say with a grain of salt.

Here I go slightly veering... scared


I really do not think you are veering. The whole idea of "warning" others is a good point. It definitely should be done privately. I would only do that in the most extreme circumstances. If a woman here tried to "warn" me about a man on here based on her experience, I would definitely want to hear his side of things. Unless he was an axe murderer or maybe lying about being married, I doubt her "warnings" would have much impact. I make up my own mind.


I like and agree with your open minded approach.

When other people meddle it only makes me more curious to see for myself what all the hoopla is about because I might just like it.

Different strokes... as they say... :wink:

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Mon 04/21/14 12:42 AM

I am open to almost any thing but I also have to think long and hard about other stuff so I would be mounting the fence on this topic


Hi longboardernew, it's nice to meet you.

"Mounting the fence"? Hmmm

The picture this paints looks kinda painful... laugh :wink:

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Mon 04/21/14 07:46 AM
IMO:
If someones lifestyle or habits affect others negatively w/o their knowledge yes there's a reason to be a whistle blower.

Personally, I think the question is a 'round-robin' ; but I am often caught thinking too hard on matters.

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Mon 04/21/14 09:44 AM

IMO:
If someones lifestyle or habits affect others negatively w/o their knowledge yes there's a reason to be a whistle blower.

Personally, I think the question is a 'round-robin' ; but I am often caught thinking too hard on matters.



Hi Whozurdaddy, cool nicname... but scary look in the eyes. scared tongue2

Yes, I agree, it appears that your take is spinning the topic into a different vein altogether. But thanks for stopping by to read and contribute.

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