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mysticalview21 Joined Sat 06/28/14 Posts: 5462	Wed 07/30/14 07:37 AM
but do you believe in the story of Noah's Ark ? Noah's Ark theme park gets preliminary approval for millions in state tax incentives http://www.kentucky.com/2014/07/29/3356998/noahs-ark-theme-park-gets-preliminary.html?sp=/99/322/&ihp=1

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Wed 07/30/14 07:45 AM
I do believe in Noahs Ark.

TBRich Joined Fri 11/07/08 Posts: 8232	Wed 07/30/14 10:23 AM
And a 600 year old man and his 100year old children? Or because, most of the story is taken word for word from an older Sumerian story?

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Wed 07/30/14 10:28 AM
And a 600 year old man and his 100year old children? Or because, most of the story is taken word for word from an older Sumerian story? How is it taken from an older Sumerian story? Just because they may have similarities does not mean it was stolen or has anything to do with one another. And there is scientific proof of a "possible" world flooding, I say possible because it's in the theory level. And after you answer the first question, is it possible for the Hebrews to have heard about this story when the scriptures of Noah was written?

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Wed 07/30/14 10:34 AM
And a 600 year old man and his 100year old children? Or because, most of the story is taken word for word from an older Sumerian story? I believe that Noah built the Ark as God instructed. I am in no way sure of what the ages of his family were and its not really relevant to the rest of my belief.

dcastelmissy Joined Thu 08/01/13 Posts: 39633	Wed 07/30/14 10:43 AM
Abraham, the father of the Israelites, was a decendant of Noah. Abraham was orginally called out of his father's land, which was Ur of the Chaldeans, which by coincidence was located in Ancient Sumeria where the Sumerian story originated. So it is entirely possible it was the same flood, or could have been an earlier one; nevertheless, one does not negate the possiblity of both being factual occurrences at the same time or at different intervals. I believe what is in the Bible is a factual occurrence, as I believe the Sumerian story is also factual due to the preservation of the texts referring to it.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Wed 07/30/14 10:52 AM
And a 600 year old man and his 100year old children? Or because, most of the story is taken word for word from an older Sumerian story? And don't be astonished at the ages recorded in the bible. You also have to keep in mind the world was an entirely different place then. Not pollution in the air, the foods were healthier on the level of additives, oils, ect. Nobody smoked, and so on.

TBRich Joined Fri 11/07/08 Posts: 8232	Wed 07/30/14 11:06 AM
And a 600 year old man and his 100year old children? Or because, most of the story is taken word for word from an older Sumerian story? How is it taken from an older Sumerian story? Just because they may have similarities does not mean it was stolen or has anything to do with one another. And there is scientific proof of a "possible" world flooding, I say possible because it's in the theory level. And after you answer the first question, is it possible for the Hebrews to have heard about this story when the scriptures of Noah was written? Its in the Epic of Gilgamesh, most probably describing the massive flooding of the Black Sea, which the Jewish people would have learned during their captivity. 1. large sections are word for word 2. the Torah was written down after the return from captivity- hence the reference in Jeremiah that the "scribes lie" 3. there is no world-wide myth of a world-wide flood

TBRich Joined Fri 11/07/08 Posts: 8232	Wed 07/30/14 11:10 AM Edited by TBRich on Wed 07/30/14 11:12 AM
And a 600 year old man and his 100year old children? Or because, most of the story is taken word for word from an older Sumerian story? I believe that Noah built the Ark as God instructed. I am in no way sure of what the ages of his family were and its not really relevant to the rest of my belief. Interesting how the average pew-sitter (lol) has not actually read the text. I suppose you believe he took two of every animal on the Ark as well? The important thing about Noah is the Noahide code, which James tells Paul (in Acts) that non-Jewish converts should follow or perhaps the average pew-sitter has once again not read the text

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Wed 07/30/14 11:14 AM
And a 600 year old man and his 100year old children? Or because, most of the story is taken word for word from an older Sumerian story? How is it taken from an older Sumerian story? Just because they may have similarities does not mean it was stolen or has anything to do with one another. And there is scientific proof of a "possible" world flooding, I say possible because it's in the theory level. And after you answer the first question, is it possible for the Hebrews to have heard about this story when the scriptures of Noah was written? Its in the Epic of Gilgamesh, most probably describing the massive flooding of the Black Sea, which the Jewish people would have learned during their captivity. 1. large sections are word for word 2. the Torah was written down after the return from captivity- hence the reference in Jeremiah that the "scribes lie" 3. there is no world-wide myth of a world-wide flood 1. could be the same accounts by two different persons in their views/feelings of that which they witnessed. 2. What's that got to do with the current discussion of the world flooding and or the accounts of it thereof? 3. How can you state it as a myth when it has not been proven to be false?

TBRich Joined Fri 11/07/08 Posts: 8232	Wed 07/30/14 11:18 AM
And a 600 year old man and his 100year old children? Or because, most of the story is taken word for word from an older Sumerian story? How is it taken from an older Sumerian story? Just because they may have similarities does not mean it was stolen or has anything to do with one another. And there is scientific proof of a "possible" world flooding, I say possible because it's in the theory level. And after you answer the first question, is it possible for the Hebrews to have heard about this story when the scriptures of Noah was written? Its in the Epic of Gilgamesh, most probably describing the massive flooding of the Black Sea, which the Jewish people would have learned during their captivity. 1. large sections are word for word 2. the Torah was written down after the return from captivity- hence the reference in Jeremiah that the "scribes lie" 3. there is no world-wide myth of a world-wide flood 1. could be the same accounts by two different persons in their views/feelings of that which they witnessed. 2. What's that got to do with the current discussion of the world flooding and or the accounts of it thereof? 3. How can you state it as a myth when it has not been proven to be false? How about I word it this way: there is no world-wide tradition that there was a world-wide flood.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Wed 07/30/14 11:19 AM
And a 600 year old man and his 100year old children? Or because, most of the story is taken word for word from an older Sumerian story? How is it taken from an older Sumerian story? Just because they may have similarities does not mean it was stolen or has anything to do with one another. And there is scientific proof of a "possible" world flooding, I say possible because it's in the theory level. And after you answer the first question, is it possible for the Hebrews to have heard about this story when the scriptures of Noah was written? Its in the Epic of Gilgamesh, most probably describing the massive flooding of the Black Sea, which the Jewish people would have learned during their captivity. 1. large sections are word for word 2. the Torah was written down after the return from captivity- hence the reference in Jeremiah that the "scribes lie" 3. there is no world-wide myth of a world-wide flood 1. could be the same accounts by two different persons in their views/feelings of that which they witnessed. 2. What's that got to do with the current discussion of the world flooding and or the accounts of it thereof? 3. How can you state it as a myth when it has not been proven to be false? How about I word it this way: there is no world-wide tradition that there was a world-wide flood. How would there be a world wide tradition of it? How many do you think were alive after the flood to tell about it?

TBRich Joined Fri 11/07/08 Posts: 8232	Wed 07/30/14 11:22 AM
And a 600 year old man and his 100year old children? Or because, most of the story is taken word for word from an older Sumerian story? How is it taken from an older Sumerian story? Just because they may have similarities does not mean it was stolen or has anything to do with one another. And there is scientific proof of a "possible" world flooding, I say possible because it's in the theory level. And after you answer the first question, is it possible for the Hebrews to have heard about this story when the scriptures of Noah was written? Its in the Epic of Gilgamesh, most probably describing the massive flooding of the Black Sea, which the Jewish people would have learned during their captivity. 1. large sections are word for word 2. the Torah was written down after the return from captivity- hence the reference in Jeremiah that the "scribes lie" 3. there is no world-wide myth of a world-wide flood 1. could be the same accounts by two different persons in their views/feelings of that which they witnessed. 2. What's that got to do with the current discussion of the world flooding and or the accounts of it thereof? 3. How can you state it as a myth when it has not been proven to be false? How about I word it this way: there is no world-wide tradition that there was a world-wide flood. How would there be a world wide tradition of it? How many do you think were alive after the flood to tell about it? Enough to repopulate the world? There is also no consistent geological evidence of a world-wide flood. You seem to miss the nuance of #2

TBRich Joined Fri 11/07/08 Posts: 8232	Wed 07/30/14 11:26 AM
Speaking of myths: should I store my batteries in the refrigerator?

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Wed 07/30/14 11:28 AM
And a 600 year old man and his 100year old children? Or because, most of the story is taken word for word from an older Sumerian story? How is it taken from an older Sumerian story? Just because they may have similarities does not mean it was stolen or has anything to do with one another. And there is scientific proof of a "possible" world flooding, I say possible because it's in the theory level. And after you answer the first question, is it possible for the Hebrews to have heard about this story when the scriptures of Noah was written? Its in the Epic of Gilgamesh, most probably describing the massive flooding of the Black Sea, which the Jewish people would have learned during their captivity. 1. large sections are word for word 2. the Torah was written down after the return from captivity- hence the reference in Jeremiah that the "scribes lie" 3. there is no world-wide myth of a world-wide flood 1. could be the same accounts by two different persons in their views/feelings of that which they witnessed. 2. What's that got to do with the current discussion of the world flooding and or the accounts of it thereof? 3. How can you state it as a myth when it has not been proven to be false? How about I word it this way: there is no world-wide tradition that there was a world-wide flood. How would there be a world wide tradition of it? How many do you think were alive after the flood to tell about it? Enough to repopulate the world? There is also no consistent geological evidence of a world-wide flood. You seem to miss the nuance of #2 Flood geology (also creation geology or diluvial geology) is the concept that the geology of the Earth has been shaped by the global flood described in Genesis 6-8. In the early 19th century, diluvial geologists hypothesized that specific surface features were evidence of a worldwide flood which had followed earlier geological eras; after further investigation they agreed that these features resulted from local floods or glaciers. In early stages of development of the science of geology, fossils were interpreted as evidence of past flooding. The "theories of the Earth" of the 17th century proposed mechanisms based on natural laws, within a timescale set by the biblical chronology calculated at that time. As modern geology developed, geologists found increasing evidence of an ancient Earth, and disputed whether the world was indefinitely old, or had developed in a series of cataclysms, the most recent of which could be attributed to the Genesis flood. But now that catastrophic processes are widely employed to describe the strata record, twenty-first century geologists are wondering whether "marine flood sedimentation is the key to the past." Geological strata and their contained marine fossils provide critical evidence that the ocean once covered the continents, even the highest continental areas. Extremely widespread strata blankets argue for an intercontinental or global flood. The Sauk Sequence extends throughout North America and appears to extend into Europe. The Tippecanoe Sequence also covers much of North America and may well extend into Europe and Africa. There are also intercontinental redbed sequences, intercontinental tuff beds, and coal-bearing strata cycles. Granular, water-charged sediment flows result in very rapid stratification. Dilute flows produce thick sequences of plane beds, graded beds, and crossbeds by sustained unidirectional flow. Such flows also produce thick sequences of hummocky beds by sustained bidirectional flow. Concentrated sediment flows produce thick strata sequences by abrupt deposition from liquefied suspension or evenly bedded strata by flow transformation to a tractive current. These and many other obvious processes are leading many geologists to construct a global flood model for earth history.

dcastelmissy Joined Thu 08/01/13 Posts: 39633	Wed 07/30/14 11:32 AM Edited by dcastelmissy on Wed 07/30/14 11:37 AM
And a 600 year old man and his 100year old children? Or because, most of the story is taken word for word from an older Sumerian story? How is it taken from an older Sumerian story? Just because they may have similarities does not mean it was stolen or has anything to do with one another. And there is scientific proof of a "possible" world flooding, I say possible because it's in the theory level. And after you answer the first question, is it possible for the Hebrews to have heard about this story when the scriptures of Noah was written? Its in the Epic of Gilgamesh, most probably describing the massive flooding of the Black Sea, which the Jewish people would have learned during their captivity. 1. large sections are word for word 2. the Torah was written down after the return from captivity- hence the reference in Jeremiah that the "scribes lie" 3. there is no world-wide myth of a world-wide flood 1. could be the same accounts by two different persons in their views/feelings of that which they witnessed. 2. What's that got to do with the current discussion of the world flooding and or the accounts of it thereof? 3. How can you state it as a myth when it has not been proven to be false? How about I word it this way: there is no world-wide tradition that there was a world-wide flood. How would there be a world wide tradition of it? How many do you think were alive after the flood to tell about it? Enough to repopulate the world? There is also no consistent geological evidence of a world-wide flood. You seem to miss the nuance of #2 @ TB The original post was asking IF commenters believed in Noah and the Ark not to prove whether or not it was a historical fact and provide supporting authentication TB. Opinions have been given and it is each persons right to believe it or not whether it was factual or not and if each person is in doubt either way they can do their own research to verify it themselves.

TBRich Joined Fri 11/07/08 Posts: 8232	Wed 07/30/14 11:45 AM
And a 600 year old man and his 100year old children? Or because, most of the story is taken word for word from an older Sumerian story? How is it taken from an older Sumerian story? Just because they may have similarities does not mean it was stolen or has anything to do with one another. And there is scientific proof of a "possible" world flooding, I say possible because it's in the theory level. And after you answer the first question, is it possible for the Hebrews to have heard about this story when the scriptures of Noah was written? Its in the Epic of Gilgamesh, most probably describing the massive flooding of the Black Sea, which the Jewish people would have learned during their captivity. 1. large sections are word for word 2. the Torah was written down after the return from captivity- hence the reference in Jeremiah that the "scribes lie" 3. there is no world-wide myth of a world-wide flood 1. could be the same accounts by two different persons in their views/feelings of that which they witnessed. 2. What's that got to do with the current discussion of the world flooding and or the accounts of it thereof? 3. How can you state it as a myth when it has not been proven to be false? How about I word it this way: there is no world-wide tradition that there was a world-wide flood. How would there be a world wide tradition of it? How many do you think were alive after the flood to tell about it? Enough to repopulate the world? There is also no consistent geological evidence of a world-wide flood. You seem to miss the nuance of #2 @ TB The original post was asking IF commenters believed in Noah and the Ark not to prove whether or not it was a historical fact and provide supporting authentication TB. Opinions have been given and it is each persons right to believe it or not whether it was factual or not and if each person is in doubt either way they can do their own research to verify it themselves. Sorry, that is the way I give my opinion. I always try to support my opinions. I actually have no opinion on others beliefs, generally just trying to answer the Cowboys questions and mess with MsHarmony. As per Joseph Campbell, (and as a student of Milton Erickson) whether true or not does not effect the power of a story

TBRich Joined Fri 11/07/08 Posts: 8232	Wed 07/30/14 11:45 AM
Do I come off as obnoxious? And who is gonna answer my battery question?

TBRich Joined Fri 11/07/08 Posts: 8232	Wed 07/30/14 11:46 AM
Do I come off as obnoxious? And who is gonna answer my battery question?

dcastelmissy Joined Thu 08/01/13 Posts: 39633	Wed 07/30/14 11:51 AM Edited by dcastelmissy on Wed 07/30/14 11:53 AM
Do I come off as obnoxious? And who is gonna answer my battery question? Actually I was thinking of changing your name to OB for obnoxious. LOL I'll have to do some extensive research on the battery question though just so you won't be able to "mess" with me. Although it is LOL