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Topic: Views on President John F Kennedy
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Wed 09/10/14 03:20 PM

@ msharmony

"oh man, it was such a historically mysterious period Michale

so many great leaders assassinated in such a short span

metger evers
JFK
Bobby Kennedy
Huey Newton
MLK
Malcolm X "

I never realised it was that many.

You mention Malcolm X in the same breath as JFK.
Now that's another debate but I certainly wouldn't have done.

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Wed 09/10/14 03:26 PM
yep , within six years time

evers and jfk in 1963

Malcolm x in 1965

Robert kennedy in 1968
and MLK in 1968

Frded Hampton, who I should have said instead of Huey Newton, was killed in bed in 1969




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Wed 09/10/14 03:28 PM
I heard sooo many theories about this. Even that Zapruder did it..
This is why i never really believe any conspiracy theory anymore..
Because everytime i believe one. Then another pops up and makes me doubt the previous one again laugh I like to talk here about these kinds of things. It is interesting and exciting to listen to. But will the truth ever be revealed to us ?

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Wed 09/10/14 03:30 PM


@ msharmony

"oh man, it was such a historically mysterious period Michale

so many great leaders assassinated in such a short span

metger evers
JFK
Bobby Kennedy
Huey Newton
MLK
Malcolm X "

I never realised it was that many.

You mention Malcolm X in the same breath as JFK.
Now that's another debate but I certainly wouldn't have done.



its a list of leaders, not of presidents

but a president happened to make the list due to his leading,,,

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Wed 09/10/14 03:34 PM



@ msharmony

"oh man, it was such a historically mysterious period Michale

so many great leaders assassinated in such a short span

metger evers
JFK
Bobby Kennedy
Huey Newton
MLK
Malcolm X "

I never realised it was that many.

You mention Malcolm X in the same breath as JFK.
Now that's another debate but I certainly wouldn't have done.



its a list of leaders, not of presidents

but a president happened to make the list due to his leading,,,

Yes I know but thanks for the history lesson all the same.
One spoke of peace, the other didn't, that's why I wouldn't have mentioned them in the same breath.

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Wed 09/10/14 03:41 PM




@ msharmony

"oh man, it was such a historically mysterious period Michale

so many great leaders assassinated in such a short span

metger evers
JFK
Bobby Kennedy
Huey Newton
MLK
Malcolm X "

I never realised it was that many.

You mention Malcolm X in the same breath as JFK.
Now that's another debate but I certainly wouldn't have done.



its a list of leaders, not of presidents

but a president happened to make the list due to his leading,,,

Yes I know but thanks for the history lesson all the same.
One spoke of peace, the other didn't, that's why I wouldn't have mentioned them in the same breath.


oh, I see

ok, your list of leaders would only be those who lead passively

and that would be fine too

mine includes both passive and active type leadership,,,

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Thu 09/11/14 02:31 AM
Edited by michelake on Thu 09/11/14 02:43 AM

"oh man, it was such a historically mysterious period Michale

so many great leaders assassinated in such a short span"

Yes it sure seemed that it made some people really nervous. Judging
from the fact that apart from the President's candidate's the rest where African American activists. But i better not continue talking about this subject before it becomes offtopic.
Although it would make a great new topic in the future i am sure.:smile:

So what about people's views about the doomsday clock. Like alleoops said? I think that is related to this topic too right ? "1 minute to midnight" And the fact that the bay of pigs might also be the cause of the USA placing missles in Turkey ?

I also wonder what what went in people's psyche's. All these murders.
When i relate to civilian's. It must have brought some fear into their minds i am sure. When the conspiracy theories surfaced. Did it indoctrinate people's minds too? What "the power's that be" are capable of doing. Until this very day.


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Fri 09/12/14 05:12 PM


He was Killed After Shutting Down Rothschild’s Federal Reserve

http://humansarefree.com/2013/11/jfk-killed-after-shutting-down.html?m=0


Nope!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/j-bradley-jansen/jfk-not-killed-in-fed-con_b_4287519.html

President Kennedy was not assassinated for being anti-Fed. I don't know how much more clearly that can be said. His death on November 22nd, 1963 was a sad tragedy, but it had nothing to do with any stupid and baseless Executive Order silver certificate conspiracy.

Baseless conspiracy monger Jim Marrs peddled the Federal Reserve conspiracy in his book Crossfire (and still promoted by the even crazier Christian Common-Law Institute). The gist of which is that "the issuance of Executive Order 11110 was an effort by Kennedy to transfer power from the Federal Reserve to the United States Department of the Treasury by replacing Federal Reserve Notes with Silver Certificates," according to Wikipedia.
The Library of Congress' Congressional Research Service dispelled this nonsense in a 1996 report, "Money and the Federal Reserve System: Myth and Reality" (CRS Report for Congress, No. 96-672 E) by G. Thomas Woodward. Explains Woodward about the EO 11110:

The notion that Federal Reserve Notes are especially harmful has given rise to one particular conspiracy theory relating to an executive order in 1963. According to author Jim Mars, Executive Order 11110 issued by President Kennedy on June 4, 1963 authorized the issuance of $4,292,893,815 in United States Notes. Mars further asserts that after President Kennedy's assassination, the order was never carried out.

The claim is not borne out by the facts. First, E.O. 11110 had nothing to do with United States Notes, and did not affect any section of law referring to them. Second, E.O. 11110 did not anywhere mention any quantity of money; wherever the $4 billion-plus figure came from, it was not E.O. 11110. Third, The President had no authority to issue such an edict. Even utilizing the provisions of the Agricultural Adjustment Act of 1933, the most the President could issue without statutory authorization was $3 billion.

What E.O. 11110 did was to modify previous Executive Order 10289, delegating to the Secretary of the Treasury various powers of the President. To these delegated powers, E.O. 11110 added the power to alter the supply of Silver Certificates in circulation. Executive Order 11110, therefore, did not create any new authority for the Treasury to issue notes; it only affected who could give the order, the Secretary or the President.

The reason for the move was that the President had just signed legislation repealing the Silver Purchase Act. With this repeal, the Treasury Secretary could no longer control the issue of Silver Certificates on his own authority. However, the issuance of certificates could be controlled under the President's authority. Hence, for administrative convenience, President Kennedy issued Executive Order 11110.

Ironically, the purpose of the order and the legislation was to decrease the circulation of Silver Certificates, with Federal Reserve Notes taking their place. As economic activity grew and prices rose in the 1950s and early 1960s, the need for small-denomination currency grew at the same time that the price of silver increased. The Treasury required silver for the increasing number of Silver Certificates and coins needed for transactions. But the price of silver was rapidly approaching the point that the silver in the coins and in reserve for the certificates was worth more than the face value of the money.

To conserve on the silver needs of the Treasury, President Kennedy requested legislation needed to bring the issuance of Silver Certificates to an end and to authorize the Fed to issue small denomination notes (which it could not at that time). The Fed began issuing small denomination notes almost immediately after the legislation was passed. And in October 1964, the Treasury ceased issuing Silver Certificates altogether. If anything, E.O. 11110 enhanced Federal Reserve power and did not in any way reduce it [emphasis added].

Of course, the baseless conspiracy mongers attracted to this silliness argue that the Congressional Research Service "issues unjustified opinions" all the time (so some have laughable argued with me on Facebook, etc.--no, CRS has never issued an "opinion" in its history). Since the conspiracy nuts are congenitally opposed to believing any "establishment" sources, I'll offer two more they should consider to put this craziness to rest.

G. Edward Griffin, author of the Creature from Jekyll Island, wrote about this non-issue back in 2000:

If you look at a copy of EO 11110 you will find that it does not order the issuance of Silver Certificates. It orders an amendment to EO 10289 . . . Those functions did not include the power to issue Silver Certificates. The purpose of EO 11110 was to add that power to the list . . . EO 11110 did not order the printing of Silver Certificates. It ordered the amendment of a previous executive order so that the United States Code would authorize or "empower" the Secretary of the Treasury to issue Silver Certificates if the occasion should arise . . .

Let's put this issue into perspective. The proponents of the JFK Myth assert that Kennedy was assassinated because he was about to issue Silver Certificates, thereby denying the bankers their customary interest payments on the nation's currency. However, the reality was just the opposite. Previously, the President could have issued Silver Certificates on his own authority; but, with the signing of EO 11110, he delegated that authority to the Secretary of the Treasury. At that time, the Secretary of the Treasury was Douglas Dillon from a well-known and powerful banking family. That means Kennedy surrendered the power to issue Silver Certificates and gave it to a member of the banking fraternity who could do with it as he pleased "without the approval, ratification, or other action of the President." Dillon, of course, would have strong motive to preserve the dominance of Federal Reserve Notes. The theory that Kennedy was getting ready to issue Silver Certificates is without evidence or logic.Griffin takes the CCLI to task for making up additional baseless bs, "The Christian Common Law Institute has exhaustively researched this matter through the Federal Register and Library of Congress. We can now safely conclude that this Executive Order has never been repealed, amended, or superseded by any subsequent Executive Order. In simple terms, it is still valid." To which he replies:

This is not supported by the facts. The power granted to the Secretary of Treasury to issue Silver Certificates was rescinded on September 9, 1987, by Executive Order 12608, signed by President Reagan. The official purpose of the Order was stated as "Elimination of unnecessary Executive orders and technical amendments to others." It did not affect EO 11110 directly but did affect the parent EO 10289 - along with 62 other executive orders. That is how paragraph (j) was amended to remove the power in question. This Order can be found in its entirety in the Federal Register 52 FR 34617.



Wow this is about the best explaination I have ever seen to clarify this conspiracy.
SO do you believe the Federal Reserve conspiracy as written by Eustice Mullins for the Library of Congress.
The FED was the cause for the great depression that lead to a great transfer of wealth from the common people to the elite.

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