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Topic: CDC death statistics vrs guns
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Mon 05/04/15 02:22 PM
Edited by mightymoe on Mon 05/04/15 02:23 PM


Washington DC " -(Ammoland.com)- The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's (CDC) final report on death statistics for 2013 shows there were 35,369 deaths from motor vehicle accidents versus 505 deaths from the accidental discharge of firearms.

That is not a typo-35,369 versus 505. Americans are 70 times more likely to die in a vehicle accident than by the accidental discharge of a firearm.

Yet Michael Bloomberg, Moms Demand Action, and Everytown for Gun Safety have not uttered a peep about Ford, Dodge, or Toyota control. They are utterly consumed with a new gun control push framed around accidental firearm deaths.

Again--35,369 deaths from motor vehicle accidents versus 505 accidental deaths from firearms. Just reading that ratio creates a sinking feeling in your stomach that perhaps the pursuit of gun control is totally unfounded.

Want to make that sinking feeling even worse? Think about this- Breitbart News previously reported that CDC numbers for 2010 show that you are 51 times more likely to die from an accidental poisoning than the accidental discharge of a firearm.

51 times more likely.

The CDC shows there were 30,781 accidental poisoning deaths in 2010 versus 600 accidental shooting deaths in that same year. There were 31,758 accidental poisoning deaths in 2009 versus 554 accidental shooting deaths, and 31,116 accidental poisoning deaths in 2008 versus 592 accidental shooting deaths.

When you add these figures up this is what you get:

Total number of deaths from accidental poisonings from 2008 through 2010 was 93,655.
Total number of accidental gun deaths from 2008 through 2010 was 1,746.

Wow - 93,655 deaths by accidental poisoning versus 1,746 deaths via the accidental discharge of a firearm. Yet how many privately-donated millions will the left spend pushing gun control this year? And how many additional millions "acquired through taxes" will elected Democrats spend trying to find a way to expand gun control in our country?

http://www.ammoland.com/2015/05/35369-vehicle-deaths-vs-505-gun-deaths/#axzz3ZCuRLBLr

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Mon 05/04/15 02:32 PM
I heard most deaths.. while hunting are HEART ATTACKS, (men over 40 & over weight ) not guns & arrows.
But we don't here that the end of white tail deer season.... word play.

*Not sure if that was the NRA or AHA or both, but I'm SURE someone with check*

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Mon 05/04/15 02:34 PM

I heard most deaths.. while hunting are HEART ATTACKS, (men over 40 & over weight ) not guns & arrows.
But we don't here that the end of white tail deer season.... word play.

*Not sure if that was the NRA or AHA or both, but I'm SURE someone with check*


the biggest killer in the US right now is prescription meds...

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Mon 05/04/15 03:24 PM


I heard most deaths.. while hunting are HEART ATTACKS, (men over 40 & over weight ) not guns & arrows.
But we don't here that the end of white tail deer season.... word play.

*Not sure if that was the NRA or AHA or both, but I'm SURE someone with check*


the biggest killer in the US right now is prescription meds...

just some more gun grabbin propaganda. theres plenty of things that cause more death than firearms.

Where you live has a good deal to do with how you will die. In the United States, the top two causes of death are responsible for more than 50 percent of the annual death toll. In the world at large, there's a lot more variety in how you meet your Maker. Here is our list of the 15 most common causes of death in the United States:

Cause

Percent of Total
1. Diseases of the heart
28.5
2. Malignant tumors 22.8
3. Cerebrovascular diseases 6.7
4. Chronic lower respiratory diseases 5.1
5. Accidents (unintentional injuries) 4.4
6. Diabetes mellitus 3.0
7. Influenza and pneumonia 2.7
8. Alzheimer's disease 2.4
9. Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis 1.7
10. Septicemia (blood poisoning) 1.4
11. Suicide 1.3
12. Chronic liver disease and cirrhosis 1.1
13. Primary hypertension and hypertensive renal disease 0.8
14. Parkinson's disease (tied) 0.7
15. Homicide (tied) 0.7

Source: CDC/NHS, National Vital Statistics System


and homicide isnt specifically gun deaths.

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Mon 05/04/15 03:31 PM



I heard most deaths.. while hunting are HEART ATTACKS, (men over 40 & over weight ) not guns & arrows.
But we don't here that the end of white tail deer season.... word play.

*Not sure if that was the NRA or AHA or both, but I'm SURE someone with check*


the biggest killer in the US right now is prescription meds...

just some more gun grabbin propaganda. theres plenty of things that cause more death than firearms.

Where you live has a good deal to do with how you will die. In the United States, the top two causes of death are responsible for more than 50 percent of the annual death toll. In the world at large, there's a lot more variety in how you meet your Maker. Here is our list of the 15 most common causes of death in the United States:

Cause

Percent of Total
1. Diseases of the heart
28.5
2. Malignant tumors 22.8
3. Cerebrovascular diseases 6.7
4. Chronic lower respiratory diseases 5.1
5. Accidents (unintentional injuries) 4.4
6. Diabetes mellitus 3.0
7. Influenza and pneumonia 2.7
8. Alzheimer's disease 2.4
9. Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis 1.7
10. Septicemia (blood poisoning) 1.4
11. Suicide 1.3
12. Chronic liver disease and cirrhosis 1.1
13. Primary hypertension and hypertensive renal disease 0.8
14. Parkinson's disease (tied) 0.7
15. Homicide (tied) 0.7

Source: CDC/NHS, National Vital Statistics System


and homicide isnt specifically gun deaths.



to bad they don't list the deaths of meds, because almost all listed there , people would use meds to "help"... another spin by the big pharma...

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Mon 05/04/15 03:32 PM




I heard most deaths.. while hunting are HEART ATTACKS, (men over 40 & over weight ) not guns & arrows.
But we don't here that the end of white tail deer season.... word play.

*Not sure if that was the NRA or AHA or both, but I'm SURE someone with check*


the biggest killer in the US right now is prescription meds...

just some more gun grabbin propaganda. theres plenty of things that cause more death than firearms.

Where you live has a good deal to do with how you will die. In the United States, the top two causes of death are responsible for more than 50 percent of the annual death toll. In the world at large, there's a lot more variety in how you meet your Maker. Here is our list of the 15 most common causes of death in the United States:

Cause

Percent of Total
1. Diseases of the heart
28.5
2. Malignant tumors 22.8
3. Cerebrovascular diseases 6.7
4. Chronic lower respiratory diseases 5.1
5. Accidents (unintentional injuries) 4.4
6. Diabetes mellitus 3.0
7. Influenza and pneumonia 2.7
8. Alzheimer's disease 2.4
9. Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis 1.7
10. Septicemia (blood poisoning) 1.4
11. Suicide 1.3
12. Chronic liver disease and cirrhosis 1.1
13. Primary hypertension and hypertensive renal disease 0.8
14. Parkinson's disease (tied) 0.7
15. Homicide (tied) 0.7

Source: CDC/NHS, National Vital Statistics System


and homicide isnt specifically gun deaths.



to bad they don't list the deaths of meds, because almost all listed there , people would use meds to "help"... another spin by the big pharma...


plus, guns don't kill people, people kill people...

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Mon 05/04/15 03:36 PM


time for knife control? should we outlaw knives? should we make a registry for everyone to register their knives? knives kill more people than so called "aasault weapons" so why are they pushing for people to register assault rifles? hmmm makes one wonder...

maybe instead of spending all their money fighting gun control, they should spend that money figuring out how to stop heart disease if theyre so worried about people dying prematurely.

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Mon 05/04/15 03:40 PM


time for knife control? should we outlaw knives? should we make a registry for everyone to register their knives? knives kill more people than so called "aasault weapons" so why are they pushing for people to register assault rifles? hmmm makes one wonder...

maybe instead of spending all their money fighting gun control, they should spend that money figuring out how to stop heart disease if theyre so worried about people dying prematurely.


they don't really care about dying prematurely, they care about control and how it can be easier to control us...

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Mon 05/04/15 04:04 PM



time for knife control? should we outlaw knives? should we make a registry for everyone to register their knives? knives kill more people than so called "aasault weapons" so why are they pushing for people to register assault rifles? hmmm makes one wonder...

maybe instead of spending all their money fighting gun control, they should spend that money figuring out how to stop heart disease if theyre so worried about people dying prematurely.


they don't really care about dying prematurely, they care about control and how it can be easier to control us...

exactly, and from what ive seen about 100,000 people die per year from prescription drugs, theyre probably counted in with the medical related deaths in the list.

but we dont need prescription drug control, no no no we need gun control. the U.N. arms treaty was signed by JFK and once they convince enough of us to relinquish our second amendment confiscation will surely follow. they say they dont keep track of gun sales (national registry) but think about it, you go to buy a gun you have to undergo a background check through either the state police or the national background check in PA its "PICS" which is pennsylvania instant check system, you mean to tell me theres no record of the computerized background checks? i call BS anything thats computerized, theres a record of.

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Mon 05/04/15 04:35 PM
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Mon 05/04/15 04:36 PM
you cant trust the polls on gun ownership, americans are growing very wary of gun control and most people lie on these polls to conceal the fact they own firearms. if i had a house full of guns, i sure as hell aint going to give the government that info.

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Mon 05/04/15 04:38 PM

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Mon 05/04/15 04:41 PM
but we dont need prescription drug control, no
no no we need gun control.
We already do. You can control whether or not you want to own one as can I.
There is NO viable reason for a law abiding U.S. citizen to not be abe to buy and own firearms if they want to.

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Mon 05/04/15 04:41 PM
Edited by 2OLD2MESSAROUND on Mon 05/04/15 04:43 PM
1. America is an unusually violent country. But we're not as violent as we used to be.

Kieran Healy, a sociologist at Duke University, made this graph of "deaths due to assault" in the United States and other developed countries. We are a clear outlier.

{SEE LINK}

2. The South is the most violent region in the United States.

In a subsequent post, Healy drilled further into the numbers and looked at deaths due to assault in different regions of the country. Just as the United States is a clear outlier in the international context, the South is a clear outlier in the national context:

{see link}

3. Gun ownership in the United States is declining overall.

"For all the attention given to America’s culture of guns, ownership of firearms is at or near all-time lows," writes political scientist Patrick Egan. The decline is most evident on the General Social Survey, though it also shows up on polling from Gallup, as you can see on this graph:

The bottom line, Egan writes, is that "long-term trends suggest that we are in fact currently experiencing a waning culture of guns and violence in the United States. "

4. More guns tend to mean more homicide.

The Harvard Injury Control Research Center assessed the literature on guns and homicide and found that there's substantial evidence that indicates more guns means more murders. This holds true whether you're looking at different countries or different state., Citations here.
{SEE LINK}

5. States with stricter gun control laws have fewer deaths from gun-related violence.

Last year, economist Richard Florida dove deep into the correlations between gun deaths and other kinds of social indicators. Some of what he found was, perhaps, unexpected: Higher populations, more stress, more immigrants, and more mental illness were not correlated with more deaths from gun violence. But one thing he found was, perhaps, perfectly predictable: States with tighter gun control laws appear to have fewer gun-related deaths. The disclaimer here is that correlation is not causation. But correlations can be suggestive:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/07/23/six-facts-about-guns-violence-and-gun-control/
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Granted the article and link and data is a couple of years older than the examples that the links & data that both of you have supplied but I thought it worthy of comment! Especially since it was correlated shortly after the horror of the Columbine incident out in Colorado.

Really amazing to me that is showed a decline in weapon ownership; while I might be tempted to question this as a 'TRUTH' factor --- would wonder about the data collection process and who was doing the 'ASKING' - not something I want to just be sharing with any 'J Q Public' person knocking door-to-door!

And given the push for limits on sales for the 'high volume clip' sales at gun shows and gun shops I wondered if that hadn't shown up swing in those years between 2010 and 2015 {perhaps more recent data will reflect this}...does anyone else have another link with more detailed info?




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Mon 05/04/15 04:47 PM
Tomato stated >>>
you cant trust the polls on gun ownership, americans are growing very wary of gun control and most people lie on these polls to conceal the fact they own firearms. if i had a house full of guns, i sure as hell aint going to give the government that info.


That and I wouldn't know who was asking even if it was over the phone; I've know people to run 4-sale ads in Craigs list and then come home to find their entire house trashed and their rifles/guns storage lockers cleaned out --- DUH Don't talk about your guns/weapons/don't advertise your phone #/address and keep your mouth shut! Geeze Louise! LOL

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Mon 05/04/15 04:48 PM

but we dont need prescription drug control, no
no no we need gun control.
We already do. You can control whether or not you want to own one as can I.
There is NO viable reason for a law abiding U.S. citizen to not be abe to buy and own firearms if they want to.

true its always going to be under attack though. i feel the next few years are going to be big in relation to firearms. we keep voting in gun grabbers who knows what could happen.

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Mon 05/04/15 04:53 PM
Edited by IgorFrankensteen on Mon 05/04/15 04:54 PM



Washington DC " -(Ammoland.com)- The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's (CDC) final report on death statistics for 2013 shows there were 35,369 deaths from motor vehicle accidents versus 505 deaths from the accidental discharge of firearms.

That is not a typo-35,369 versus 505. Americans are 70 times more likely to die in a vehicle accident than by the accidental discharge of a firearm.

Yet Michael Bloomberg, Moms Demand Action, and Everytown for Gun Safety have not uttered a peep about Ford, Dodge, or Toyota control. They are utterly consumed with a new gun control push framed around accidental firearm deaths.

Again--35,369 deaths from motor vehicle accidents versus 505 accidental deaths from firearms. Just reading that ratio creates a sinking feeling in your stomach that perhaps the pursuit of gun control is totally unfounded.

Want to make that sinking feeling even worse? Think about this- Breitbart News previously reported that CDC numbers for 2010 show that you are 51 times more likely to die from an accidental poisoning than the accidental discharge of a firearm.

51 times more likely.

The CDC shows there were 30,781 accidental poisoning deaths in 2010 versus 600 accidental shooting deaths in that same year. There were 31,758 accidental poisoning deaths in 2009 versus 554 accidental shooting deaths, and 31,116 accidental poisoning deaths in 2008 versus 592 accidental shooting deaths.

When you add these figures up this is what you get:

Total number of deaths from accidental poisonings from 2008 through 2010 was 93,655.
Total number of accidental gun deaths from 2008 through 2010 was 1,746.

Wow - 93,655 deaths by accidental poisoning versus 1,746 deaths via the accidental discharge of a firearm. Yet how many privately-donated millions will the left spend pushing gun control this year? And how many additional millions "acquired through taxes" will elected Democrats spend trying to find a way to expand gun control in our country?

http://www.ammoland.com/2015/05/35369-vehicle-deaths-vs-505-gun-deaths/#axzz3ZCuRLBLr


You are responding to this both illogically, AND anti-factually.

There is a TON of money and time and government effort being dedicated to directly addressing all of those other concerns. Suggesting that more is being spent on gun control, is ingenuous at best. Suggesting that all these other deaths are being ignored, is entirely false.

If anything, logic would suggest that we at least try to address ALL sources of danger and death to our populations. Therefore citing statistics like this would act to support, rather than to oppose taking action on guns.

In addition, one could also point out that whereas many fanatic anti-gun control people support safety regulations in all other areas of life, that they abandon the idea of safety or the establishment of personal responsibility for the use of guns, entirely.

Where's the rational for that?

Not to mention, that in order to make your logic work, you have to first prove that all, or most of the money you see being spent on gun ownership concerns is focused entirely on ACCIDENTAL shootings.

I personally am neither entirely pro, nor anti gun regulation, so when I watch the news feeds on this, I note that it is a very complex issue, and not the oversimplified "Freedom Fighters" nonsense that so many of the fanatics make it out to be.

Most people agree that the use of devices such as cars and aeroplanes, be regulated in order that we have as many responsible and rational and trained people using them as we can manage.

Is there anything besides guns, which has a huge, fanatical following demanding that anyone be allowed to use the technology without any limitations or training whatsoever?

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Mon 05/04/15 04:57 PM

Tomato stated >>>
you cant trust the polls on gun ownership, americans are growing very wary of gun control and most people lie on these polls to conceal the fact they own firearms. if i had a house full of guns, i sure as hell aint going to give the government that info.


That and I wouldn't know who was asking even if it was over the phone; I've know people to run 4-sale ads in Craigs list and then come home to find their entire house trashed and their rifles/guns storage lockers cleaned out --- DUH Don't talk about your guns/weapons/don't advertise your phone #/address and keep your mouth shut! Geeze Louise! LOL


yupp exactly. i think it was in chicago people (forget who they were affiliated with) were going door to door asking people if they owned guns and how many and what types, and everybody lied because they didnt think a stranger should know that kind of information. they used the poll stats to try to say that "gun ownership is on a major decline in america". another attempt to try to persuade the american people that we dont need guns in todays society. its like no you idiots its just the fact people arent going to tell a complete stranger if they own guns and how many or not.

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Mon 05/04/15 04:59 PM
Edited by mightymoe on Mon 05/04/15 04:59 PM
In addition, one could also point out that whereas many fanatic anti-gun control people support safety regulations in all other areas of life, that they abandon the idea of safety or the establishment of personal responsibility for the use of guns, entirely.


speaking of irrational thoughts, how do you equate this with taking guns away altogether?

i mean i agree, no one needs a bazooka for everyday life, but your saying guns owners have no responsibility and are crying about sanctions...

no, absolutely wrong, we just want to keep our guns - pistols, shotguns and rifles... no need for autos or machine guns, either...

and what are the anti gun lobbyists attacking now? rifles and handguns...

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Mon 05/04/15 05:08 PM




Washington DC " -(Ammoland.com)- The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's (CDC) final report on death statistics for 2013 shows there were 35,369 deaths from motor vehicle accidents versus 505 deaths from the accidental discharge of firearms.

That is not a typo-35,369 versus 505. Americans are 70 times more likely to die in a vehicle accident than by the accidental discharge of a firearm.

Yet Michael Bloomberg, Moms Demand Action, and Everytown for Gun Safety have not uttered a peep about Ford, Dodge, or Toyota control. They are utterly consumed with a new gun control push framed around accidental firearm deaths.

Again--35,369 deaths from motor vehicle accidents versus 505 accidental deaths from firearms. Just reading that ratio creates a sinking feeling in your stomach that perhaps the pursuit of gun control is totally unfounded.

Want to make that sinking feeling even worse? Think about this- Breitbart News previously reported that CDC numbers for 2010 show that you are 51 times more likely to die from an accidental poisoning than the accidental discharge of a firearm.

51 times more likely.

The CDC shows there were 30,781 accidental poisoning deaths in 2010 versus 600 accidental shooting deaths in that same year. There were 31,758 accidental poisoning deaths in 2009 versus 554 accidental shooting deaths, and 31,116 accidental poisoning deaths in 2008 versus 592 accidental shooting deaths.

When you add these figures up this is what you get:

Total number of deaths from accidental poisonings from 2008 through 2010 was 93,655.
Total number of accidental gun deaths from 2008 through 2010 was 1,746.

Wow - 93,655 deaths by accidental poisoning versus 1,746 deaths via the accidental discharge of a firearm. Yet how many privately-donated millions will the left spend pushing gun control this year? And how many additional millions "acquired through taxes" will elected Democrats spend trying to find a way to expand gun control in our country?

http://www.ammoland.com/2015/05/35369-vehicle-deaths-vs-505-gun-deaths/#axzz3ZCuRLBLr


You are responding to this both illogically, AND anti-factually.

There is a TON of money and time and government effort being dedicated to directly addressing all of those other concerns. Suggesting that more is being spent on gun control, is ingenuous at best. Suggesting that all these other deaths are being ignored, is entirely false.

If anything, logic would suggest that we at least try to address ALL sources of danger and death to our populations. Therefore citing statistics like this would act to support, rather than to oppose taking action on guns.

In addition, one could also point out that whereas many fanatic anti-gun control people support safety regulations in all other areas of life, that they abandon the idea of safety or the establishment of personal responsibility for the use of guns, entirely.

Where's the rational for that?

Not to mention, that in order to make your logic work, you have to first prove that all, or most of the money you see being spent on gun ownership concerns is focused entirely on ACCIDENTAL shootings.

I personally am neither entirely pro, nor anti gun regulation, so when I watch the news feeds on this, I note that it is a very complex issue, and not the oversimplified "Freedom Fighters" nonsense that so many of the fanatics make it out to be.

Most people agree that the use of devices such as cars and aeroplanes, be regulated in order that we have as many responsible and rational and trained people using them as we can manage.

Is there anything besides guns, which has a huge, fanatical following demanding that anyone be allowed to use the technology without any limitations or training whatsoever?


the reason they are so fanatical, is because its an inalienable right that no government has any authority to regulate. its our right as americans to own as many guns as we want and whatever types we want, minus the banning of most full autos which that law is even unconstitutional IMO. whatever the government can arm themselves with the citizens should be allowed the same as thats the reason for the 2nd amendment, for the citizens to protect themselves in the event their government gets out of control, IMO we have already made too many compromises when it comes to our 2nd amendment.

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