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Topic: Oregon - Suppressing Speech w/ Gag Order
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Sat 07/04/15 10:00 AM
http://dailysignal.com/2015/07/02/state-silences-bakers-who-refused-to-make-cake-for-lesbian-couple-fines-them-135k/

State Silences Bakers Who Refused to Make Cake for Lesbian Couple, Fines Them $135K
Kelsey Harkness / @kelseyjharkness / July 02, 2015 /


Melissa Klein. (Photo: Patrick Frank)

Oregon Labor Commissioner Brad Avakian finalized a preliminary ruling today ordering Aaron and Melissa Klein, the bakers who refused to make a cake for a same-sex wedding, to pay $135,000 in emotional damages to the couple they denied service.

“This case is not about a wedding cake or a marriage,” Avakian wrote. “It is about a business’s refusal to serve someone because of their sexual orientation. Under Oregon law, that is illegal.”

In the ruling, Avakian placed an effective gag order on the Kleins, ordering them to “cease and desist” from speaking publicly about not wanting to bake cakes for same-sex weddings based on their Christian beliefs.

“This effectively strips us of all our First Amendment rights,” the Kleins, owners of Sweet Cakes by Melissa, which has since closed, wrote on their Facebook page. “According to the state of Oregon we neither have freedom of religion or freedom of speech.”



The cease and desist came about after Aaron and Melissa Klein participated in an interview with Family Research Council’s Tony Perkins. During the interview, Aaron said among other things, “This fight is not over. We will continue to stand strong.”

Lawyers for plaintiffs, Rachel and Laurel Bowman-Cryer, argued that in making this statement, the Kleins violated an Oregon law banning people from acting on behalf of a place of public accommodation (in this case, the place would be the Kleins’ former bakery) to communicate anything to the effect that the place of public accommodation would discriminate.

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Administrative Law Judge Alan McCullough, who is employed by the Oregon Bureau of Labor and Industries and was appointed by Avakian, threw out the argument in the “proposed order” he issued back in April.

But today, Avakian, who was in charge of making the final ruling in the case—and is also an elected politician—reversed that decision.

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“The Commissioner of the Bureau of Labor and Industries hereby orders [Aaron and Melissa Klein] to cease and desist from publishing, circulating, issuing or displaying, or causing to be published … any communication to the effect that any of the accommodations … will be refused, withheld from or denied to, or that any discrimination be made against, any person on account of their sexual orientation,” Avakian wrote.

(Photo: Alex Anderson/Facebook)
(Photo: Alex Anderson/Facebook)
The Kleins’ lawyer, Anna Harmon, was shocked by the provision.

“Brad Avakian has been outspoken throughout this case about his intent to ‘rehabilitate’ those whose beliefs do not conform to the state’s ideas,” she told The Daily Signal. “Now he has ruled that the Kleins’ simple statement of personal resolve to be true to their faith is unlawful. This is a brazen attack on every American’s right to freely speak and imposes government orthodoxy on those who do not agree with government sanctioned ideas.”

Hans von Spakovsky, a senior legal fellow at The Heritage Foundation, called the order “outrageous” and said citizens of Oregon should be “ashamed.”

“This order is an outrageous abuse of the rights of the Kleins to freely practice their religion under the First Amendment,” he said.

It is exactly this kind of oppressive persecution by government officials that led the pilgrims to America. And Commissioner Avakian’s order that the Kleins stop speaking about this case is even more outrageous—and also a fundamental violation of their right to free speech under the First Amendment.

Avakian would have fit right in as a bureaucrat in the Soviet Union or Red China. Oregon should be ashamed that such an unprincipled, scurrilous individual is a government official in the state.

The case began in February 2013 when Rachel and Laurel Bowman-Cryer filed a complaint against the Kleins for refusing to bake them a wedding cake.

At the time of the refusal, same-sex marriage had not yet been legalized in Oregon.

The Bowman-Cryers’ complaint went to the Oregon Bureau of Labor and Industries, which is in charge of defending the law that prohibits businesses from refusing service to customers based on their sexual orientation, among other characteristics, called the Equality Act of 2007.

In January 2014, the agency found the Kleins unlawfully discriminated against the couple because of their sexual orientation. In April, McCullough recommended they pay $75,000 to Rachel and $60,000 to Laurel.

In order to reach the total amount, $135,000, Rachel and Laurel submitted a long list of alleged physical, emotional and mental damages they claim to have experienced as a result of the Kleins’ unlawful conduct.

Examples of symptoms included “acute loss of confidence,” “doubt,” “excessive sleep,” “felt mentally raped, dirty and shameful,” “high blood pressure,” “impaired digestion,” “loss of appetite,” “migraine headaches,” “pale and sick at home after work,” “resumption of smoking habit,” “shock” “stunned,” “surprise,” “uncertainty,” “weight gain” and “worry.”

In their Facebook post, the Kleins signaled their intention to appeal Avakian’s ruling, writing, “We will not give up this fight and we will not be silenced,” already perhaps putting themselves at risk of violating the cease and desist.



soufiehere's photo
Sat 07/04/15 10:53 AM
You do the crime..
You do the time.

Good for the State of Oregon.

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Sat 07/04/15 11:11 AM

You do the crime..
You do the time.

Good for the State of Oregon.


Crime? For not being PC,they lost their business?
Why didn't the lizbo's simply go to another bakery that would make the cake for them?

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Sat 07/04/15 11:16 AM


You do the crime..
You do the time.

Good for the State of Oregon.


Crime? For not being PC,they lost their business?
Why didn't the lizbo's simply go to another bakery that would make the cake for them?



why didn't they just say "sorry, we're booked solid till December of 2017? and i always thought that any business reserved the right to refuse customers for any reason?

doesn't certain nightclubs refuse people based on looks alone? how is that any different/better?

Rock's photo
Sat 07/04/15 11:48 AM
It's a shame, that private business owners aren't afforded the right to free speech, or free expression.

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Sat 07/04/15 11:55 AM
In order to reach the total amount,
$135,000, Rachel and Laurel submitted a
long list of alleged physical, emotional and
mental damages they claim to have
experienced as a result of the Kleins’
unlawful conduct.

Pussification of 'Mericuh....literally.


Brad Avakian has been outspoken
throughout this case about his intent to
‘rehabilitate’ those whose beliefs do not
conform to the state’s idea

Heil Avakian!

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Sat 07/04/15 12:28 PM

Brad Avakian has been outspoken
throughout this case about his intent to
rehabilitate those whose beliefs do not
conform to the states idea
Heil Avakian!


Avakian would have fit right in as a bureaucrat in the Soviet Union or Red China. Oregon should be ashamed that such an unprincipled, scurrilous individual is a government official in the state.
Comrade Avakian!


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Sat 07/04/15 01:30 PM


Brad Avakian has been outspoken
throughout this case about his intent to
rehabilitate those whose beliefs do not
conform to the states idea
Heil Avakian!


Avakian would have fit right in as a bureaucrat in the Soviet Union or Red China. Oregon should be ashamed that such an unprincipled, scurrilous individual is a government official in the state.
Comrade Avakian!


I gotta admit, I like the commie angle better laugh

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Sat 07/04/15 01:32 PM


Brad Avakian has been outspoken
throughout this case about his intent to
rehabilitate those whose beliefs do not
conform to the states idea
Heil Avakian!


Avakian would have fit right in as a bureaucrat in the Soviet Union or Red China. Oregon should be ashamed that such an unprincipled, scurrilous individual is a government official in the state.
Comrade Avakian!



No, we are ashamed of prejudice and bigots, so Oregon attempts to make the world a better place. Most proud :-)

And our country agrees, via the Supreme Court.

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Sat 07/04/15 01:37 PM

No, we are ashamed of prejudice and bigots, so Oregon attempts to make the world a better place. Most proud :-)


There is nothing shameful about people refusing to participate in something that they believe to be sinful.

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Sat 07/04/15 01:56 PM
Edited by DavidCommaGeek on Sat 07/04/15 02:05 PM
The Supreme Court has only ruled that homosexual couples have the protected right to be legally married - not that they have the right to a wedding cake from a specific bakery.

"Examples of symptoms included “acute loss of confidence,” “doubt,” “excessive sleep,” “felt mentally raped, dirty and shameful,” “high blood pressure,” “impaired digestion,” “loss of appetite,” “migraine headaches,” “pale and sick at home after work,” “resumption of smoking habit,” “shock” “stunned,” “surprise,” “uncertainty,” “weight gain” and “worry.” " [sic]

"Excessive sleep". Was this on the wedding night, or after? One or both of them might want to review their performance...
If she "felt mentally raped, dirty and shameful" by not getting a wedding cake, then she must qualify for that "Bridezilla" show that was on the air a few years back. Would she have committed suicide if her dress got stained?
How does "impaired digestion" and "loss of appetite" turn into "weight gain"?
"Pale and sick at home after work"... just means you've done a hard day's work. Inside.
"Resumption of smoking habit". Operative word here is "habit".
"Shock", "stunned" - the groom-analogue.
"Uncertainty", "worry" - the bride-analogue.

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Sat 07/04/15 02:00 PM


No, we are ashamed of prejudice and bigots, so Oregon attempts to make the world a better place. Most proud :-)


There is nothing shameful about people refusing to participate in something that they believe to be sinful.

Yes, there is.
It is shameful to assess the sins of others as opposed to your own.
It is NOT a sin to the couple.
It is only a sin to the bakery bigots.
Therefore, to save themselves from sin, they need only not be gay.
(According to them.)

YOU might be the next one through the door, maybe you just LOOK gay=no service.

They should not be in the business of serving the public, if they
are going to have a checklist of who they think are sinners and
who are not. And acting on that?
What a horrid thought..

This is why laws, popular or not, have to be made, to protect the
greater good.

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Sat 07/04/15 02:26 PM
And our country agrees, via the Supreme
Court.
Agrees with what? This?


"" In the ruling, Avakian placed an effective
gag order on the Kleins, ordering them to
“cease and desist” from speaking publicly
about not wanting to bake cakes for same-
sex weddings based on their Christian
beliefs.""


If so, I'd submit that most of the country wouldnt agree with that at all.
And if everyone were honest, I dont think they would agree with $135,000 for "mental rape" either.

mightymoe's photo
Sat 07/04/15 02:46 PM



No, we are ashamed of prejudice and bigots, so Oregon attempts to make the world a better place. Most proud :-)


There is nothing shameful about people refusing to participate in something that they believe to be sinful.

Yes, there is.
It is shameful to assess the sins of others as opposed to your own.
It is NOT a sin to the couple.
It is only a sin to the bakery bigots.
Therefore, to save themselves from sin, they need only not be gay.
(According to them.)

YOU might be the next one through the door, maybe you just LOOK gay=no service.

They should not be in the business of serving the public, if they
are going to have a checklist of who they think are sinners and
who are not. And acting on that?
What a horrid thought..

This is why laws, popular or not, have to be made, to protect the
greater good.
yea, we get it... only gays have rights...whoa

metalwing's photo
Sat 07/04/15 03:22 PM




No, we are ashamed of prejudice and bigots, so Oregon attempts to make the world a better place. Most proud :-)


There is nothing shameful about people refusing to participate in something that they believe to be sinful.

Yes, there is.
It is shameful to assess the sins of others as opposed to your own.
It is NOT a sin to the couple.
It is only a sin to the bakery bigots.
Therefore, to save themselves from sin, they need only not be gay.
(According to them.)

YOU might be the next one through the door, maybe you just LOOK gay=no service.

They should not be in the business of serving the public, if they
are going to have a checklist of who they think are sinners and
who are not. And acting on that?
What a horrid thought..

This is why laws, popular or not, have to be made, to protect the
greater good.
yea, we get it... only gays have rights...whoa


It's the gag order I don't understand. It's not to prevent prejudice to a decision if the decision has already been made. I appears to be a direct violation of the rights to free speech.

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Sat 07/04/15 03:37 PM
Federal Law and Private Businesses

Title II of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 -- the federal law which prohibits discrimination by private businesses which are places of public accommodation -- only prevents businesses from refusing service based on race, color, religion, or national origin. Federal law does not prevent businesses from refusing service to customers based on sexual orientation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSBFTKI-zIM

Rock's photo
Sat 07/04/15 03:56 PM
The supreme court legalized, what many in this country, still view as a "circus".

At no point, should private business owners, or private citizens, be forced under threat of prosecution, to dance in what they consider a freak show.


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Sat 07/04/15 09:44 PM
metalwin's quote

It's the gag order I don't understand. It's not to prevent prejudice to a decision if the decision has already been made. I appears to be a direct violation of the rights to free speech


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Sat 07/04/15 09:55 PM
Sin isn't something that atheists and agnostics understand. So, it isn't surprising if they accuse theists of bigotry because those theists disagree with something that they consider to be sinful.

However, as for the bakery mentioned at the beginning of this thread, its owners need to either abide by Oregon law or get out of the business. If they believe Oregon law to be constitutionally invalid, then they need to file a lawsuit instead of just ignoring the law.

mightymoe's photo
Sun 07/05/15 10:38 AM

Sin isn't something that atheists and agnostics understand. So, it isn't surprising if they accuse theists of bigotry because those theists disagree with something that they consider to be sinful.

However, as for the bakery mentioned at the beginning of this thread, its owners need to either abide by Oregon law or get out of the business. If they believe Oregon law to be constitutionally invalid, then they need to file a lawsuit instead of just ignoring the law.


why would atheists and agnostics not understand sin? sometimes you come up with some real winning statements, david...

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