Topic: real ID act (2005) passports needed to travel inside US?
mightymoe's photo
Fri 09/18/15 12:32 PM
To comply with the 2005 Real ID Act, which the U.S. government has been slowly implementing for the past decade, citizens in a number of different U.S. states will now be forced to obtain a passport if they want to board an airplane — even for domestic flights.

The Department of Homeland Security and representatives with the U.S. Customs and Border Protection have declined to comment on why certain states have been singled out, but starting in 2016, residents of New York, Wisconsin, Louisiana, Minnesota, New Hampshire, and American Samoa will need a passport to fly domestically. All other states will still be able to use their state-issued driver's licenses and IDs — for now, at least.

According to the Department of Homeland Security's guidelines on enforcement of the Real ID Act,

"The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) announced on December 20, 2013 a phased enforcement plan for the REAL ID Act (the Act), as passed by Congress, that will implement the Act in a measured, fair, and responsible way.

Secure driver's licenses and identification documents are a vital component of our national security framework. The REAL ID Act, passed by Congress in 2005, enacted the 9/11 Commission's recommendation that the Federal Government 'set standards for the issuance of sources of identification, such as driver's licenses.' The Act established minimum security standards for license issuance and production and prohibits Federal agencies from accepting for certain purposes driver's licenses and identification cards from states not meeting the Act's minimum standards. The purposes covered by the Act are: accessing Federal facilities, entering nuclear power plants, and, no sooner than 2016, boarding federally regulated commercial aircraft.

States and other jurisdictions have made significant progress in enhancing the security of their licenses over the last number of years. As a result, approximately 70-80% of all U.S. drivers hold licenses from jurisdictions: (1) determined to meet the Act's standards; or (2) that have received extensions. Individuals holding driver's licenses or identification cards from these jurisdiction may continue to use them as before.

Individuals holding licenses from noncompliant jurisdictions will need to follow alternative access control procedures for purposes covered by the Act. As described below, enforcement for boarding aircraft will occur no sooner than 2016."

According to the fine print, not all 50 states have driver's licences that meet the Real ID requirements, which could possibly explain why the aforementioned regions will not qualify in 2016. However, there is no specific mention of what the requirements actually are.

The Real ID act has been controversial since its initial proposal over ten years ago and is seen by many as a massive violation of privacy. One of the primary reasons it has taken the government so long to roll this program out is that the program is wildly unpopular and creates heavy backlash every time it appears in the news.

The tightening of the Real ID restrictions are seemingly intended to push people towards attaining the newly issued "enhanced ID," which adds more unnecessary paperwork and bureaucracy to the already tedious process involved in identification applications.

metalwing's photo
Fri 09/18/15 12:45 PM
Don't you know how scary those people from Minnesota are?

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Fri 09/18/15 12:57 PM
I would prefer bar codes on our foreheads. shades

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Fri 09/18/15 01:02 PM
Passports to travel within the country seems off to me.

I've seen a prediction map a long while ago, I can't seem to find it anywhere now. It had the US and Canada split up in North South borders, East, West & Central... Sharing the same currency
The East might be getting a jump on things? lol

I'm surprised there aren't any ID checkpoints yet TBH




mightymoe's photo
Fri 09/18/15 01:13 PM

Don't you know how scary those people from Minnesota are?


those New Hampsireions can get pretty rowdy too...

Conrad_73's photo
Fri 09/18/15 02:52 PM

Don't you know how scary those people from Minnesota are?

and to add Insult to Injury,they have the smallest Sodas of the Nation!
laugh


mightymoe's photo
Fri 09/18/15 03:40 PM


Don't you know how scary those people from Minnesota are?

and to add Insult to Injury,they have the smallest Sodas of the Nation!
laugh




maybe it's just a big hand... Paul Bunyan was from MN...

Rock's photo
Fri 09/18/15 03:58 PM

Don't you know how scary those people from Minnesota are?


Minnesota, my second favourite Canadian province.

The other eleven, are number 1.

metalwing's photo
Fri 09/18/15 04:30 PM


Don't you know how scary those people from Minnesota are?

and to add Insult to Injury,they have the smallest Sodas of the Nation!
laugh




laugh

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Fri 09/18/15 04:37 PM
The Department of Homeland Security and
representatives with the U.S. Customs and
Border Protection have declined to comment
on why certain states have been singled out,
In '08, Louisiana govenor Bobby Jindal signed a law barring compliance with the real id law...eve though he voted for the law as a congressman in 2005.
Word is, political aspirations and pressure from the Tea Party was the reason he signed the non-compliance law. In 2014, he vetoed another law that wouldve made Louisiana compliant....that law had an "opt out" clause for residents that didnt want a 'real id' drivers license.
I dont fly anymore so I dont give a frick :banana:

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Fri 09/18/15 05:17 PM



Don't you know how scary those people from Minnesota are?

and to add Insult to Injury,they have the smallest Sodas of the Nation!
laugh




maybe it's just a big hand... Paul Bunyan was from MN...


made me think of the movie "Fargo".

1onlyaname's photo
Fri 09/18/15 05:37 PM
we will all have one . NDA the government can kill u now. the 4 citizens Obama killed their only crime was what they posted on the internet. if they don't like what you say they have to know where you are at.

mikeybgood1's photo
Fri 09/18/15 06:12 PM
Of course the EASY solution is just get the non-conforming states to produce a more secure drivers license. Done. End of problem. No need for a passport.

In Canada we have to take our passports on any domestic flight that crosses into U.S. or could in an emergency have to land in the U.S.

So if I fly from Vancouver to Toronto late at night, the flight can (at the discretion of the pilot) go below the border into U.S. airspace. This is usually done so that cabin staff can legally serve alcohol according to the bar hours of the state they are flying over.

If for some reason the plane was forced to land say in North Dakota, the passengers better have passports available for the U.S. Customs people on the ground.

Same for flights that cross U.S. airspace as part of the regular flight plan. Say Ottawa to Moncton. The route will usually cross over into the U.S. directly through Maine, and even Vermont on occasion. Even though the flight is directly to and from Canadian cities, we still need a passport because we transit U.S. airspace.

1onlyaname's photo
Fri 09/18/15 06:28 PM
Of course the EASY solution is just get the non-conforming states to produce a more secure drivers license. Done. End of problem. No need for a passport.

In Canada we have to take our passports on any domestic flight that crosses into U.S. or could in an emergency have to land in the U.S.

So if I fly from Vancouver to Toronto late at night, the flight can (at the discretion of the pilot) go below the border into U.S. airspace. This is usually done so that cabin staff can legally serve alcohol according to the bar hours of the state they are flying over.

If for some reason the plane was forced to land say in North Dakota, the passengers better have passports available for the U.S. Customs people on the ground.

Same for flights that cross U.S. airspace as part of the regular flight plan. Say Ottawa to Moncton. The route will usually cross over into the U.S. directly through Maine, and even Vermont on occasion. Even though the flight is directly to and from Canadian cities, we still need a passport because we transit U.S. airspace.

they want us to have id to visit government buildings even collect social security. federal government just wants everyone's history in a simple scan

mightymoe's photo
Fri 09/18/15 09:56 PM

Of course the EASY solution is just get the non-conforming states to produce a more secure drivers license. Done. End of problem. No need for a passport.

In Canada we have to take our passports on any domestic flight that crosses into U.S. or could in an emergency have to land in the U.S.

So if I fly from Vancouver to Toronto late at night, the flight can (at the discretion of the pilot) go below the border into U.S. airspace. This is usually done so that cabin staff can legally serve alcohol according to the bar hours of the state they are flying over.

If for some reason the plane was forced to land say in North Dakota, the passengers better have passports available for the U.S. Customs people on the ground.

Same for flights that cross U.S. airspace as part of the regular flight plan. Say Ottawa to Moncton. The route will usually cross over into the U.S. directly through Maine, and even Vermont on occasion. Even though the flight is directly to and from Canadian cities, we still need a passport because we transit U.S. airspace.

they want us to have id to visit government buildings even collect social security. federal government just wants everyone's history in a simple scan
but not to vote...