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I don't understand the view of this woman. Is she suggesting ALL history shouldn't be taught and should be ignored during the time when "only Caucasians [were] free"? Putting what I feel is an idiotic objection to reciting any historical document aside I see this as positive and productive. Memorizing and reciting something is a powerful tool to retain what is learned. If nothing else this will help kids develop the ability to use that tool. Things like a survey done in 2012 that found 1 in 3 Americans questioned would fail the country's citizenship test for immigrants shows that memorizing learned information, especially civics and history, has not been a priority. As a naturalized citizen I found the survey disturbing and hard to believe since ALL of the material on the test I learned after immigrating to the US when I was 12 and in the 7th grade. But that was back in the mid 60's when memorization was used as a teaching/learning tool. How many young adults today can't do simple multiplication, are lost without using an electronic device, because they never had to memorize multiplication tables? I'm not saying that technological tools shouldn't be used. I'm saying that the original computer, the brain, needs to be utilized to store information for future use. I will admit that I am guilty of not using my memory as much as I used to. I think the only phone number I have memorized now is my own.  The problem isn't that they want the students to memorize the Declaration. They actually don't. What the bill insists on, is that every day, the students recite from memory, just one or two sentences from the Declaration, NOT in order to teach them anything at all. If they wanted the students to memorize the entire Declaration and be able to talk in their own words about what it meant, that would be teaching. This is about turning a document about freedom, into rote, mindless indoctrination, in order to allow certain people in their local legislature to appear to be extra patriotic. |
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I don't understand the view of this woman. Is she suggesting ALL history shouldn't be taught and should be ignored during the time when "only Caucasians [were] free"? Putting what I feel is an idiotic objection to reciting any historical document aside I see this as positive and productive. Memorizing and reciting something is a powerful tool to retain what is learned. If nothing else this will help kids develop the ability to use that tool. Things like a survey done in 2012 that found 1 in 3 Americans questioned would fail the country's citizenship test for immigrants shows that memorizing learned information, especially civics and history, has not been a priority. As a naturalized citizen I found the survey disturbing and hard to believe since ALL of the material on the test I learned after immigrating to the US when I was 12 and in the 7th grade. But that was back in the mid 60's when memorization was used as a teaching/learning tool. How many young adults today can't do simple multiplication, are lost without using an electronic device, because they never had to memorize multiplication tables? I'm not saying that technological tools shouldn't be used. I'm saying that the original computer, the brain, needs to be utilized to store information for future use. I will admit that I am guilty of not using my memory as much as I used to. I think the only phone number I have memorized now is my own. The problem isn't that they want the students to memorize the Declaration. They actually don't. What the bill insists on, is that every day, the students recite from memory, just one or two sentences from the Declaration, NOT in order to teach them anything at all. If they wanted the students to memorize the entire Declaration and be able to talk in their own words about what it meant, that would be teaching. This is about turning a document about freedom, into rote, mindless indoctrination, in order to allow certain people in their local legislature to appear to be extra patriotic. Good lord...do you seriously believe this is an attempt at "mindless indoctrination" by "certain people"????  |
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I don't understand the view of this woman. Is she suggesting ALL history shouldn't be taught and should be ignored during the time when "only Caucasians [were] free"? Putting what I feel is an idiotic objection to reciting any historical document aside I see this as positive and productive. Memorizing and reciting something is a powerful tool to retain what is learned. If nothing else this will help kids develop the ability to use that tool. Things like a survey done in 2012 that found 1 in 3 Americans questioned would fail the country's citizenship test for immigrants shows that memorizing learned information, especially civics and history, has not been a priority. As a naturalized citizen I found the survey disturbing and hard to believe since ALL of the material on the test I learned after immigrating to the US when I was 12 and in the 7th grade. But that was back in the mid 60's when memorization was used as a teaching/learning tool. How many young adults today can't do simple multiplication, are lost without using an electronic device, because they never had to memorize multiplication tables? I'm not saying that technological tools shouldn't be used. I'm saying that the original computer, the brain, needs to be utilized to store information for future use. I will admit that I am guilty of not using my memory as much as I used to. I think the only phone number I have memorized now is my own. The problem isn't that they want the students to memorize the Declaration. They actually don't. What the bill insists on, is that every day, the students recite from memory, just one or two sentences from the Declaration, NOT in order to teach them anything at all. If they wanted the students to memorize the entire Declaration and be able to talk in their own words about what it meant, that would be teaching. This is about turning a document about freedom, into rote, mindless indoctrination, in order to allow certain people in their local legislature to appear to be extra patriotic. Good lord...do you seriously believe this is an attempt at "mindless indoctrination" by "certain people"???? Nope, and if you read more carefully, you'd know that already. I think it's the State legislature playing political games to gain votes from the less thoughtful people of their state. It's like when Congress voted to add the words "Under God" to the pledge of allegiance decades ago: they didn't remotely think that it would magically protect the children of America from communism, or even cause them to become Christians. They just wanted to pander to panicked voters, by messing around carelessly with the educational system. |
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"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed"
Meh...there are way worse things for them to recite....ulterior motive or no ulterior motive. Looks like they want the kids to do it in addition to a silent moment, and the Pledge of Allegiance. A bit much....pick one and get on with the readin', writin', and 'rithmetic..... |
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I don't understand the view of this woman. Is she suggesting ALL history shouldn't be taught and should be ignored during the time when "only Caucasians [were] free"? Putting what I feel is an idiotic objection to reciting any historical document aside I see this as positive and productive. Memorizing and reciting something is a powerful tool to retain what is learned. If nothing else this will help kids develop the ability to use that tool. Things like a survey done in 2012 that found 1 in 3 Americans questioned would fail the country's citizenship test for immigrants shows that memorizing learned information, especially civics and history, has not been a priority. As a naturalized citizen I found the survey disturbing and hard to believe since ALL of the material on the test I learned after immigrating to the US when I was 12 and in the 7th grade. But that was back in the mid 60's when memorization was used as a teaching/learning tool. How many young adults today can't do simple multiplication, are lost without using an electronic device, because they never had to memorize multiplication tables? I'm not saying that technological tools shouldn't be used. I'm saying that the original computer, the brain, needs to be utilized to store information for future use. I will admit that I am guilty of not using my memory as much as I used to. I think the only phone number I have memorized now is my own. The problem isn't that they want the students to memorize the Declaration. They actually don't. What the bill insists on, is that every day, the students recite from memory, just one or two sentences from the Declaration, NOT in order to teach them anything at all. If they wanted the students to memorize the entire Declaration and be able to talk in their own words about what it meant, that would be teaching. This is about turning a document about freedom, into rote, mindless indoctrination, in order to allow certain people in their local legislature to appear to be extra patriotic. Good lord...do you seriously believe this is an attempt at "mindless indoctrination" by "certain people"???? Nope, and if you read more carefully, you'd know that already. I think it's the State legislature playing political games to gain votes from the less thoughtful people of their state. It's like when Congress voted to add the words "Under God" to the pledge of allegiance decades ago: they didn't remotely think that it would magically protect the children of America from communism, or even cause them to become Christians. They just wanted to pander to panicked voters, by messing around carelessly with the educational system. Don't attempt to insult my intelligence with a snide remark, there is NOTHING wrong with my reading comprehension. You'd know that won't work if you have paid attention to my posts. I believe there is someone in the state legislature playing political games too.....just not the same person/people you believe are doing the game playing. |
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I agree. I'm not losing sleep over it, but if my legislature were doing it, I'd drop them a note that they weren't attending to what I elected them to do, and to get their rear ends back to work on real problems.
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technically, it referred to 13 states and the british but we are big on formality here in the states so,,,nyeh I don't see why the pledge of allegiance isn't enough,,personally if its an optional thing,, it makes sense if its mandated, its kind of illogical what portion will they recite,, certainly not the whole thing? it's sure to be some kind of illogicalness activitis.......mybe she was getting drunk before she giving the speech.....what ever......unless she don't like the franklin....hmmmmm cash bang!!!!!!! heeeeeeeHaaaaaaaa 
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SassyEuro2
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Mon 05/30/16 04:43 PM
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technically, it referred to 13 states and the british but we are big on formality here in the states so,,,nyeh I don't see why the pledge of allegiance isn't enough,,personally if its an optional thing,, it makes sense if its mandated, its kind of illogical what portion will they recite,, certainly not the whole thing? it's sure to be some kind of illogicalness activitis.......mybe she was getting drunk before she giving the speech.....what ever......unless she don't like the franklin....hmmmmm cash bang!!!!!!! heeeeeeeHaaaaaaaa  That woman knows exactly what she is doing, & undoubtedly paid to do it. |
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technically, it referred to 13 states and the british but we are big on formality here in the states so,,,nyeh I don't see why the pledge of allegiance isn't enough,,personally if its an optional thing,, it makes sense if its mandated, its kind of illogical what portion will they recite,, certainly not the whole thing? it's sure to be some kind of illogicalness activitis.......mybe she was getting drunk before she giving the speech.....what ever......unless she don't like the franklin....hmmmmm cash bang!!!!!!! heeeeeeeHaaaaaaaa That woman knows exactly what she is doing, & undoubtedly paid to do it. the time had pass no one know the generation by next generation will be occurs about. one day those people once the greats will be fogoten as odin did so. won't they? then if the fact turn to the good side there will be no more conflic both war. but the main aim is there will be another great people or group in time. like the river of whole historical relics. never done never more....... 
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technically, it referred to 13 states and the british but we are big on formality here in the states so,,,nyeh I don't see why the pledge of allegiance isn't enough,,personally if its an optional thing,, it makes sense if its mandated, its kind of illogical what portion will they recite,, certainly not the whole thing? ""Requires local school boards to require students in grades four through six to recite a specified passage from the Declaration of Independence (EG NO IMPACT LF EX See Note)"" http://legiscan.com/LA/bill/HB1035/2016 Idk which "passage" though and I ain't downloading the PDF to find out if its a certain one or they pick one...feel free to though and let us know lol. We have more pressing issues to tackle ATM but weird bills are nothing new. I hinted at this somewhere before but an earlier bill about setting a minimum age for strippers had an addendum added to it wanting all strippers to weigh 160lbs or less...I kid you not After being called on it, the rep who added it tried to play it off as a joke. Yea...Riiiiiiiight lol We have some real winners here. I dunno.... I've seen some of the strippers from the Rapides Parish area. I think that weight bill, might have some merit. |
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