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Topic: Idolizing Political Incorrectness
msharmony's photo
Tue 11/01/16 04:49 PM
[T]he Trump supporter might be best understood as a guy who wakes up one day in a lively, crowded house full of people, from a dream in which he was the only one living there, and then mistakes the dream for the past: a better time, manageable and orderly, during which privilege and respect came to him naturally, and he had the whole place to himself.
Such a guy may well be old enough to remember a time when he and people just like him could behave as though they had America to themselves. Nowadays that gets you hostile looks, a rebuke from HR, a shaming from moral authorities, and sometimes worse. But Donald Trump will fight for your right to offend in your own damn country. And some offenders will love him for it.


more,,http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/07/trumps-cult-of-political-incorrectness.html



this is another interesting author, IMHO

I find the term 'politically incorrect' overused often by hypocrites

it seems to mean 'i respect anyone that offends anyone else without concern,, but anyone that offends my group is being 'divisive' and thats not ok'


I mean how often did you hear Farrakhan praised for daring to be so politically incorrect?,,lmao

mightymoe's photo
Tue 11/01/16 05:21 PM

[T]he Trump supporter might be best understood as a guy who wakes up one day in a lively, crowded house full of people, from a dream in which he was the only one living there, and then mistakes the dream for the past: a better time, manageable and orderly, during which privilege and respect came to him naturally, and he had the whole place to himself.
Such a guy may well be old enough to remember a time when he and people just like him could behave as though they had America to themselves. Nowadays that gets you hostile looks, a rebuke from HR, a shaming from moral authorities, and sometimes worse. But Donald Trump will fight for your right to offend in your own damn country. And some offenders will love him for it.


more,,http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/07/trumps-cult-of-political-incorrectness.html



this is another interesting author, IMHO

I find the term 'politically incorrect' overused often by hypocrites

it seems to mean 'i respect anyone that offends anyone else without concern,, but anyone that offends my group is being 'divisive' and thats not ok'


I mean how often did you hear Farrakhan praised for daring to be so politically incorrect?,,lmao



you're really comparing trump to farrycon? when has trump wanted whites, jews or anyone else dead? what hate speeches has trump made?

msharmony's photo
Tue 11/01/16 05:32 PM
Edited by msharmony on Tue 11/01/16 05:34 PM
he hasnt

cause his speech is never 'hateful', just gloriously 'politically incorrect'

kind of the point

mightymoe's photo
Tue 11/01/16 05:41 PM

he hasnt

cause his speech is never 'hateful', just gloriously 'politically incorrect'

kind of the point



"politically correctness/incorrectness" is just a liberals way of thinking... i personally believe that it should all go in the toilet...

it's making the country worse, every time someone is "offended" by comments that are actually true just makes me wanna throw up... obarry, clinton and the idiotic libs are just using it as a mind games and it needs to stop...

msharmony's photo
Tue 11/01/16 05:43 PM
truth , when listening or reading opinions,, is subjective


mightymoe's photo
Tue 11/01/16 05:49 PM

truth , when listening or reading opinions,, is subjective




agreed, thats why i added "my personal opinion" as a point there...

dust4fun's photo
Tue 11/01/16 06:36 PM
I would rather be right, than to be politically correct. To me political incorrect means that you are into politics for your own gain, not the good of others. You sell out to lobbyists, you like having others listen to you, but don't take the time to listen for others. You do things in the gray area because you are shielded by the government. You spend money with no regard of where it comes from or what it really goes for. That is Political incorrectness and unfortunately most of the Democrats and Republicans live this way. That's why its time for the American people to stand up to this and change it!

msharmony's photo
Tue 11/01/16 11:22 PM
I would rather be a decent human being,,,than be politically ANYTHING,,,

for me, the golden rule is central to being a human being

someone who is only 'right' when bashing others and cant be bashed themself,,,is not decent,, imho


the decent person doesnt feel flawless or unable to grow and learn

the jerk feels everyone else is flawed, and is unwilling to learn or grow with new information



someone that feels free to bash others without repurcussion but throws fits whenever they are insulted,,,,,,is not very decent,, to me

LittleLeftofRight's photo
Tue 11/01/16 11:38 PM
well I am confused, how can decent human beings justify voting for the likes of hillary?

LittleLeftofRight's photo
Tue 11/01/16 11:40 PM


truth , when listening or reading opinions,, is subjective




agreed, thats why i added "my personal opinion" as a point there...



come on you guys, truth is always 'fact', though fact is not always truth and truth is never subjecteive.



LittleLeftofRight's photo
Tue 11/01/16 11:44 PM

I would rather be right, than to be politically correct.


there is no such thing as politically correct.

there is conformance to some political policy however.

LittleLeftofRight's photo
Tue 11/01/16 11:47 PM
Edited by LittleLeftofRight on Tue 11/01/16 11:50 PM

[T]he Trump supporter might be best understood as



someone who recognizes the lesser of two evils, someone who is sick and tired of the near boundless corruption in our guvmint today, that hillary and her ilk stand for.


LittleLeftofRight's photo
Tue 11/01/16 11:48 PM
Edited by LittleLeftofRight on Wed 11/02/16 12:02 AM

from the link:

Dr. Ben Carson could not go five minutes on the presidential campaign trail without attacking “political correctness” as the source of all evil and as a secular-socialist stratagem for silencing the Folks by shaming them.


obviously an educated man
bigsmile

no photo
Wed 11/02/16 10:32 PM
it's making the country worse, every time someone is "offended" by comments that are actually true just makes me wanna throw up

IMO people aren't keeping a lot of the comments they should keep to themselves to themselves anymore. Doesn't matter if they're "true."

IMO thanks to things like the internet where people get used to saying whatever they feel at any time I think it's translating to "real life."

Used to be people got by with either ignoring others or giving dirty looks.
A while ago I was in a grocery store and I kept hearing people walk by this fat lady on a shopping cart scooter making all sorts of snide, denigrating toned, comments as they passed her making sure she could hear them. "Fat btch should be in jenny craig not krogers, should be walking for food not riding this isn't a drive thru, she's so fat, that btch smells fat, being real," nasty comments.

If people kept the vitriol to themselves in public, if self control of emotionally driven comments in public was improving with the availability of anonymous online venting which you can choose to not read, I would still agree with the whole "pc is crap! f' pc! pc in the toilet! It's ruining the country! I'm politically incorrect!"

But that's not happening.

IMO people are becoming more emboldened to spout whatever they feel about others at any time, any place, demanding others accept and validate it. Not the truth of the words so much as the emotions driving them.

If people can't keep things to themselves...someone is going to draw lines somewhere to designate what's acceptable.
That's just reality.

IMO that's what "pc" is and what "pc" is meant to be applied to.

Not those capable of living in polite society, letting the fat lady do her grocery shopping without narration, keeping comments meant to hurt others to themselves.


I remember having to pick up a grandma from a nursing home for thanksgiving once and drive her to dinner.
She had an accident on the ride. I had no idea she wore adult diapers.
She smelled so bad. I was driving with my head partway out the window.
I couldn't just leave her by herself in the car so had to bring her into a store with me as I got her clean ones so her sister could change her. She had no idea who I was.

If while doing that some guy started walking around us in the store saying "man that btch stinks! She crapped herself! Jesus that's bad. That crazy ol' btch f'ing smells like sht! You should just dump her in a home man and let her die! This isn't a sewage treatmant facility, get that fat old crazy crap smelling btch out of here!"
am I supposed to say "you know what? You're right. I was going to tell you to shut up and watch your mouth...but that'd be telling you to be PC. And that's ruining the country You're just being politically incorrect while speaking the truth."
Or am I supposed to simply be a silent punching bag for an emotional verbal assault until we got out of there.

If all old ladies everywhere start getting dumped on by groups for leaving their home for the way they smell (crap, perfume too strong, cats, mothballs, whatever) it can't just be the responsibility of each individual interaction anymore.



IMO anymore I think "PC" should really be "WBPCF" Widespread Bad Parenting and Community Failure.

People stop taking responsibility for what comes out of their mouth, believing that "truth" is some sort of legal defense against civility, then government pushing "political correctness" is a natural consequence.

no photo
Wed 11/02/16 11:11 PM

it's making the country worse, every time someone is "offended" by comments that are actually true just makes me wanna throw up

IMO people aren't keeping a lot of the comments they should keep to themselves to themselves anymore. Doesn't matter if they're "true."

IMO thanks to things like the internet where people get used to saying whatever they feel at any time I think it's translating to "real life."

Used to be people got by with either ignoring others or giving dirty looks.
A while ago I was in a grocery store and I kept hearing people walk by this fat lady on a shopping cart scooter making all sorts of snide, denigrating toned, comments as they passed her making sure she could hear them. "Fat btch should be in jenny craig not krogers, should be walking for food not riding this isn't a drive thru, she's so fat, that btch smells fat, being real," nasty comments.

If people kept the vitriol to themselves in public, if self control of emotionally driven comments in public was improving with the availability of anonymous online venting which you can choose to not read, I would still agree with the whole "pc is crap! f' pc! pc in the toilet! It's ruining the country! I'm politically incorrect!"

But that's not happening.

IMO people are becoming more emboldened to spout whatever they feel about others at any time, any place, demanding others accept and validate it. Not the truth of the words so much as the emotions driving them.

If people can't keep things to themselves...someone is going to draw lines somewhere to designate what's acceptable.
That's just reality.

IMO that's what "pc" is and what "pc" is meant to be applied to.

Not those capable of living in polite society, letting the fat lady do her grocery shopping without narration, keeping comments meant to hurt others to themselves.


I remember having to pick up a grandma from a nursing home for thanksgiving once and drive her to dinner.
She had an accident on the ride. I had no idea she wore adult diapers.
She smelled so bad. I was driving with my head partway out the window.
I couldn't just leave her by herself in the car so had to bring her into a store with me as I got her clean ones so her sister could change her. She had no idea who I was.

If while doing that some guy started walking around us in the store saying "man that btch stinks! She crapped herself! Jesus that's bad. That crazy ol' btch f'ing smells like sht! You should just dump her in a home man and let her die! This isn't a sewage treatmant facility, get that fat old crazy crap smelling btch out of here!"
am I supposed to say "you know what? You're right. I was going to tell you to shut up and watch your mouth...but that'd be telling you to be PC. And that's ruining the country You're just being politically incorrect while speaking the truth."
Or am I supposed to simply be a silent punching bag for an emotional verbal assault until we got out of there.

If all old ladies everywhere start getting dumped on by groups for leaving their home for the way they smell (crap, perfume too strong, cats, mothballs, whatever) it can't just be the responsibility of each individual interaction anymore.



IMO anymore I think "PC" should really be "WBPCF" Widespread Bad Parenting and Community Failure.

People stop taking responsibility for what comes out of their mouth, believing that "truth" is some sort of legal defense against civility, then government pushing "political correctness" is a natural consequence.


Thank you for articulating that so wellflowerforyou

msharmony's photo
Wed 11/02/16 11:55 PM



truth , when listening or reading opinions,, is subjective




agreed, thats why i added "my personal opinion" as a point there...



come on you guys, truth is always 'fact', though fact is not always truth and truth is never subjecteive.






when is fact not truth?


one saying thats a fact, carries with it an expectation fo something proven, something definitive and quantifiabe


2 plus 2 is fact


Trump looks ilke a troll doll, is not 'fact',, its opinion,, but some will call it just the 'truth',,,,making the modern idea of 'truth', very subjective

msharmony's photo
Wed 11/02/16 11:59 PM
well put ciretom

to me , politically incorrect has just come to mean 'its admirable for you to feel free to insult everyone else(but me)'

when people are offended themselves those same politically incorrect comments become 'divisive'

just ask OBama

Workin4it's photo
Thu 11/03/16 07:31 AM
how in the world can you support the democrats and also believe in the "golden rule" its a oxy moron, unless you think the golden rule is " do unto others anything to enrich yourself personaly and destroy the evidence before they find out how you did it to others". But if you think about all the email scandles from the clinton found. to the HRC campaign to the State dept. to the Justice dept. to the President.{ let me catch my breath} one fact remains, They are all so inept at thier coruptive ways. reminds me of a episode : Stupid Crooks show.

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Thu 11/03/16 07:54 PM
"I'd rather be right, than to be politically correct" can mean that I'm right, as in correct, it could mean that I agree more with the right wing thanthe left wing. Things can be taken anyway you want, or you can twist them to suit your needs. People say they want "Equal Rights", but really they just want what's in their best interest. Men can marry men, women can marry women now, but what if I want to marry two women? What's wrong with that? Who is to judge what is right or wrong? Who is to judge what is "Moral" or not? All Men are not created Equal.Thats a fact, in fact no men are created "Equal", they are ALL different in there looks, thinking, and DNA. Civilization has come up with most of the morals that we believe in for various reasons, but there are a different set of morals for many people, some minor, some major. I don't personally know anyone with morals like the terrorist have, but obviously there are a number of people in the world that do. So some truth is not fact. And some fact is not truth, depending on your morals and way of thinking. Am I wrong? Maybe in some eyes. Am I right? Maybe in some eyes. So yes political correctness can be judged however you want. Two wrongs don't make a right. But how about three lefts? It all depends on your thoughts and interpretation of what I'm trying to say. I don't ask for you to agree, I ask that you think about it before you respond.smokin

IgorFrankensteen's photo
Thu 11/03/16 08:59 PM
I've been trying to point this out for a long time now as well.

In general, I have seen that any time someone talks about how wonderful they are because they "aren't politically correct," that it's been hornswaggle. Bullhockey. Nonsense.

There is nothing MORE "politically correct" these days, than to say that you aren't politically correct.

And more than anything else, being "politically correct" AND/OR being "politically incorrect," is exactly the same mistake, being made on purpose, and with very annoying self-righteousness dolloped on top.






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