Topic: another school shooting
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Thu 02/15/18 01:23 PM
Edited by msharmony on Thu 02/15/18 01:24 PM




If they refuse to go after the manufacturers, perhaps they should permit liability upon the retailers if they do not do adamant background and health searches before selling these things.

Hit pocketbooks, and people start acting on things and stop just talking about them and sending 'prayers'.
all that means nothing when our government hands over weapons that were confiscated and slated for destruction to cartel gang Members... All rules and regulations are meaningless then...


actually, when it comes to these school shootings, the 'cartel' means nothing.

if there is a legal sale, its on the retailer, not the 'cartel'

rules and regulations will still matter, to the retailer, and their profit margins.
all we know is what the unreliable news tells us to think... Nobody here, or anyone outside the investigation, knows where he got that gun...and the government would never allow for anyone to say that someone was killed with one of those guns... And as far as your hypocrisy is concerned, you talk about how sad this is and what we could do to stop this kind of happenings, but yet you could care less that your government sold guns to criminals... How many people died from those thousands of guns? More than 14, and lots were young adults and children... How can you be sad about one and not the other?


strawman, this is about a teen going into a school and shooting up other teens. This was not a cartel member or an immigrant, so those issues have nothing to do with what is being discussed.

This teen bought the gun LEGALLY, from a retailer. Even if the gun was at some point with a cartel, the one who passed it to the TEEN was a retailer, and NOT THE CARTEL.

This is not about other people dying from guns, this is about doing something to curb the DEATHS IN SCHOOLS by people who should not have been able to so EASILY acquire the weapons.

I am sad that anyone has to die from guns, but yeah, as a parent, you bet your butt Im epecially incensed when KIDS cant simply attend SCHOOL Without fear of being gunned down.

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Thu 02/15/18 01:24 PM


Maybe I missed where it said the fbi had proof or a mental health report. What I have read was a youtube posting that was reported but the fbi couldn't id the person.


they must be kind of slow then, since they had a screenshot of his comments with his NAME on it

Ben Bennight, a bail bondsman in Mississippi who posts video blogs on YouTube, knew something was amiss when someone named Nikolas Cruz posted "I'm going to be a professional school shooter" in the comments section of one of his videos in September, BuzzFeed News reported Thursday.

So he urged YouTube to remove the comment and emailed a screenshot of it to the FBI, the report says.

http://www.businessinsider.com/fbi-knew-about-nikolas-cruz-youtube-user-before-florida-shooting-2018-2


this was a disturbed teen, not a master mind.


I can report anyone too. There has to be proof and a charge

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Thu 02/15/18 01:27 PM
Edited by msharmony on Thu 02/15/18 01:27 PM



Maybe I missed where it said the fbi had proof or a mental health report. What I have read was a youtube posting that was reported but the fbi couldn't id the person.


they must be kind of slow then, since they had a screenshot of his comments with his NAME on it

Ben Bennight, a bail bondsman in Mississippi who posts video blogs on YouTube, knew something was amiss when someone named Nikolas Cruz posted "I'm going to be a professional school shooter" in the comments section of one of his videos in September, BuzzFeed News reported Thursday.

So he urged YouTube to remove the comment and emailed a screenshot of it to the FBI, the report says.

http://www.businessinsider.com/fbi-knew-about-nikolas-cruz-youtube-user-before-florida-shooting-2018-2


this was a disturbed teen, not a master mind.


I can report anyone too. There has to be proof and a charge


not really ... it was a SCREENSHOT

http://www.wlwt.com/article/emotional-video-of-woman-taking-first-breath-with-new-lungs-goes-viral/18196549

see, all it takes is to RESPOND to the Facebook post, just as they catch pedophiles on the internet, or other criminals, it can lead them to the person planning the crime quite easily ...


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Thu 02/15/18 01:27 PM






I believe a lot are home grown. But someone wanting to commit a crime will buy it off a truck or back alley. I prefer to be able to protect myself



I prefer that too. But I would prefer those with emotional or mental instability not be able to have access to such tools of potential destruction too.


But they can illegally. Timothy McVeigh didn't need guns. Do we ban fertilizer? How about the person running people over in a truck? Do we ban vehicles? People that want to harm will always get guns illegally


I am not speaking ban on anything. Im speaking more common sense regulations. will people find ways around them? Sure, some will. But i don't care as long as it decreases the number of lives we lose because it is in place to PROSECUTE and prevent more often.




That is already in play...at least for legal gun owners. Not those that steal guns or buy them in a back alley.


this boy bought his gun legally, despite all the troubling signs and documented mental health issues, so whatever it is is not playing enough.


I don't believe the boy has any mental problem at all. Satan used him to kill innocents people that is all. If he was mentally unstable why won't him kill his family at home and get suicide? Why could he go to high school and killed innocent people? he should be sentence to life jail. I hate to hear saying the person has a mental problem after killing people, that is a pure lie

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Thu 02/15/18 01:29 PM







I believe a lot are home grown. But someone wanting to commit a crime will buy it off a truck or back alley. I prefer to be able to protect myself



I prefer that too. But I would prefer those with emotional or mental instability not be able to have access to such tools of potential destruction too.


But they can illegally. Timothy McVeigh didn't need guns. Do we ban fertilizer? How about the person running people over in a truck? Do we ban vehicles? People that want to harm will always get guns illegally


I am not speaking ban on anything. Im speaking more common sense regulations. will people find ways around them? Sure, some will. But i don't care as long as it decreases the number of lives we lose because it is in place to PROSECUTE and prevent more often.




That is already in play...at least for legal gun owners. Not those that steal guns or buy them in a back alley.


this boy bought his gun legally, despite all the troubling signs and documented mental health issues, so whatever it is is not playing enough.


I don't believe the boy has any mental problem at all. Satan used him to kill innocents people that is all. If he was mentally unstable why won't him kill his family at home and get suicide? Why could he go to high school and killed innocent people? he should be sentence to life jail. I hate to hear saying the person has a mental problem after killing people, that is a pure lie



his family had already died months earlier ...
often people suffering want others to suffer, even if they arent suicidal
I consider this, in teens especially, as signs of mental and emotional instability/problem.

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Thu 02/15/18 01:35 PM








I believe a lot are home grown. But someone wanting to commit a crime will buy it off a truck or back alley. I prefer to be able to protect myself



I prefer that too. But I would prefer those with emotional or mental instability not be able to have access to such tools of potential destruction too.


But they can illegally. Timothy McVeigh didn't need guns. Do we ban fertilizer? How about the person running people over in a truck? Do we ban vehicles? People that want to harm will always get guns illegally


I am not speaking ban on anything. Im speaking more common sense regulations. will people find ways around them? Sure, some will. But i don't care as long as it decreases the number of lives we lose because it is in place to PROSECUTE and prevent more often.




That is already in play...at least for legal gun owners. Not those that steal guns or buy them in a back alley.


this boy bought his gun legally, despite all the troubling signs and documented mental health issues, so whatever it is is not playing enough.


I don't believe the boy has any mental problem at all. Satan used him to kill innocents people that is all. If he was mentally unstable why won't him kill his family at home and get suicide? Why could he go to high school and killed innocent people? he should be sentence to life jail. I hate to hear saying the person has a mental problem after killing people, that is a pure lie



his family had already died months earlier ...
often people suffering want others to suffer, even if they arent suicidal
I consider this, in teens especially, as signs of mental and emotional instability/problem.


Oh! The parents died months earlier and he went out to kill innocent people but he did not kill himself? Life prison for him. he is not mentally sick but posseses of demons

msharmony's photo
Thu 02/15/18 01:37 PM









I believe a lot are home grown. But someone wanting to commit a crime will buy it off a truck or back alley. I prefer to be able to protect myself



I prefer that too. But I would prefer those with emotional or mental instability not be able to have access to such tools of potential destruction too.


But they can illegally. Timothy McVeigh didn't need guns. Do we ban fertilizer? How about the person running people over in a truck? Do we ban vehicles? People that want to harm will always get guns illegally


I am not speaking ban on anything. Im speaking more common sense regulations. will people find ways around them? Sure, some will. But i don't care as long as it decreases the number of lives we lose because it is in place to PROSECUTE and prevent more often.




That is already in play...at least for legal gun owners. Not those that steal guns or buy them in a back alley.


this boy bought his gun legally, despite all the troubling signs and documented mental health issues, so whatever it is is not playing enough.


I don't believe the boy has any mental problem at all. Satan used him to kill innocents people that is all. If he was mentally unstable why won't him kill his family at home and get suicide? Why could he go to high school and killed innocent people? he should be sentence to life jail. I hate to hear saying the person has a mental problem after killing people, that is a pure lie



his family had already died months earlier ...
often people suffering want others to suffer, even if they arent suicidal
I consider this, in teens especially, as signs of mental and emotional instability/problem.


Oh! The parents died months earlier and he went out to kill innocent people but he did not kill himself? Life prison for him. he is not mentally sick but posseses of demons



even demons can be exorcised, but rarely in prison.

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Thu 02/15/18 01:47 PM










I believe a lot are home grown. But someone wanting to commit a crime will buy it off a truck or back alley. I prefer to be able to protect myself



I prefer that too. But I would prefer those with emotional or mental instability not be able to have access to such tools of potential destruction too.


But they can illegally. Timothy McVeigh didn't need guns. Do we ban fertilizer? How about the person running people over in a truck? Do we ban vehicles? People that want to harm will always get guns illegally


I am not speaking ban on anything. Im speaking more common sense regulations. will people find ways around them? Sure, some will. But i don't care as long as it decreases the number of lives we lose because it is in place to PROSECUTE and prevent more often.




That is already in play...at least for legal gun owners. Not those that steal guns or buy them in a back alley.


this boy bought his gun legally, despite all the troubling signs and documented mental health issues, so whatever it is is not playing enough.


I don't believe the boy has any mental problem at all. Satan used him to kill innocents people that is all. If he was mentally unstable why won't him kill his family at home and get suicide? Why could he go to high school and killed innocent people? he should be sentence to life jail. I hate to hear saying the person has a mental problem after killing people, that is a pure lie



his family had already died months earlier ...
often people suffering want others to suffer, even if they arent suicidal
I consider this, in teens especially, as signs of mental and emotional instability/problem.


Oh! The parents died months earlier and he went out to kill innocent people but he did not kill himself? Life prison for him. he is not mentally sick but posseses of demons



even demons can be exorcised, but rarely in prison.


Exorcised by who? No demon can ever be delivered but the person possesed by it. Well i know there is a death sentence in US but who can kill demon unless the Lord himself?

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Thu 02/15/18 01:54 PM
It's a horrifying tragedy every time this happens, whether mental illness is involved or not.

My own family has lost an innocent to senseless gun violence. Because of our own tragedy, I've been having more gun law discussions than I care to think of. But it's a necessary subject.

My standard answer to what should be done to control senseless gun violence in my own town of Kansas City, is to look to New York City.

New York City, from a population of over 8.5 million, reported only 290 homicides for the year in December of 2017.

Kansas City, with a population under 1/2 million, reported 149 homicides in 2017.

I don't know the statistics in Parkland, Florida, but it for my own town of Kansas City, I say we need more of whatever New York City has got.

msharmony's photo
Thu 02/15/18 02:06 PM











I believe a lot are home grown. But someone wanting to commit a crime will buy it off a truck or back alley. I prefer to be able to protect myself



I prefer that too. But I would prefer those with emotional or mental instability not be able to have access to such tools of potential destruction too.


But they can illegally. Timothy McVeigh didn't need guns. Do we ban fertilizer? How about the person running people over in a truck? Do we ban vehicles? People that want to harm will always get guns illegally


I am not speaking ban on anything. Im speaking more common sense regulations. will people find ways around them? Sure, some will. But i don't care as long as it decreases the number of lives we lose because it is in place to PROSECUTE and prevent more often.




That is already in play...at least for legal gun owners. Not those that steal guns or buy them in a back alley.


this boy bought his gun legally, despite all the troubling signs and documented mental health issues, so whatever it is is not playing enough.


I don't believe the boy has any mental problem at all. Satan used him to kill innocents people that is all. If he was mentally unstable why won't him kill his family at home and get suicide? Why could he go to high school and killed innocent people? he should be sentence to life jail. I hate to hear saying the person has a mental problem after killing people, that is a pure lie



his family had already died months earlier ...
often people suffering want others to suffer, even if they arent suicidal
I consider this, in teens especially, as signs of mental and emotional instability/problem.


Oh! The parents died months earlier and he went out to kill innocent people but he did not kill himself? Life prison for him. he is not mentally sick but posseses of demons



even demons can be exorcised, but rarely in prison.


Exorcised by who? No demon can ever be delivered but the person possesed by it. Well i know there is a death sentence in US but who can kill demon unless the Lord himself?


Jesus, ask and ye shall receive, certainly this is true for the young ones as well ....

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Thu 02/15/18 02:06 PM

It's a horrifying tragedy every time this happens, whether mental illness is involved or not.

My own family has lost an innocent to senseless gun violence. Because of our own tragedy, I've been having more gun law discussions than I care to think of. But it's a necessary subject.

My standard answer to what should be done to control senseless gun violence in my own town of Kansas City, is to look to New York City.

New York City, from a population of over 8.5 million, reported only 290 homicides for the year in December of 2017.

Kansas City, with a population under 1/2 million, reported 149 homicides in 2017.

I don't know the statistics in Parkland, Florida, but it for my own town of Kansas City, I say we need more of whatever New York City has got.



The only solution is to barn the law of buying gun. It can only be used by the police, militry and security guide. Why should a baby carry gun?

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Thu 02/15/18 02:18 PM

WHY? aren't our master legislators Like Nancy & Chuck addressing armed guards in schools. Only seems logical. Give veterans a job protecting our children. Could only help. 18 school shootings so far this year. It happening at an alarming rate and it's sad, but I don't see an end to it with the amount of people inhabiting the earth at the rate it's going, and the mindset and mentality of society today. People need to vote for a better cause and those overbaring libtarded ones aren't making things any better in America.
The reason Nancy andChuck aren't talking about armed guards ? Because they know it would stop a lot of the assaults on our school children, and with it's success it would not look good for their ultimate goal of banning guns in the us. So far I see no history of police envolvment or violent episodes, other than a few posts on Facebook or some crazy macho remarks there wasn't enough eveidence to hold him for evaluation. No new gun law would have prevented this tragedy.... Maybe if the news stations wouldn't sensationalize it for 2or 3 days like it was a mini series . I think some people see the drumming of facts and non facts and think" I could do even worse damage " and act on it. I know we all need to know what happend and how it happend but no need to give it this much airtime.

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Thu 02/15/18 02:23 PM
Edited by msharmony on Thu 02/15/18 02:25 PM
if we give airtime to undocumented immigrants or welfare programs or muslim terrorism, why not give ample airtime to AMERICAN kids entering schools to shoot up other AMERICAN kids?


I wonder how easy some would blow this off if it had been an undocumented immigrant or a muslim who had done this instead of just another unstable american kid?


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Thu 02/15/18 02:40 PM


It's a horrifying tragedy every time this happens, whether mental illness is involved or not.

My own family has lost an innocent to senseless gun violence. Because of our own tragedy, I've been having more gun law discussions than I care to think of. But it's a necessary subject.

My standard answer to what should be done to control senseless gun violence in my own town of Kansas City, is to look to New York City.

New York City, from a population of over 8.5 million, reported only 290 homicides for the year in December of 2017.

Kansas City, with a population under 1/2 million, reported 149 homicides in 2017.

I don't know the statistics in Parkland, Florida, but it for my own town of Kansas City, I say we need more of whatever New York City has got.



The only solution is to barn the law of buying gun. It can only be used by the police, militry and security guide. Why should a baby carry gun?


I'll have to respectfully disagree that it's the only solution, or that it's the best solution. I think stricter requirements to legally own will bring the kind of purchases which result in senseless killing way down, while not overly infringing on a citizen's right to protect themselves. I truly believe that a total ban on guns will only drive more people to gain them through illegal means, while leaving law abiding citizens defenseless.

msharmony's photo
Thu 02/15/18 02:54 PM



It's a horrifying tragedy every time this happens, whether mental illness is involved or not.

My own family has lost an innocent to senseless gun violence. Because of our own tragedy, I've been having more gun law discussions than I care to think of. But it's a necessary subject.

My standard answer to what should be done to control senseless gun violence in my own town of Kansas City, is to look to New York City.

New York City, from a population of over 8.5 million, reported only 290 homicides for the year in December of 2017.

Kansas City, with a population under 1/2 million, reported 149 homicides in 2017.

I don't know the statistics in Parkland, Florida, but it for my own town of Kansas City, I say we need more of whatever New York City has got.



The only solution is to barn the law of buying gun. It can only be used by the police, militry and security guide. Why should a baby carry gun?


I'll have to respectfully disagree that it's the only solution, or that it's the best solution. I think stricter requirements to legally own will bring the kind of purchases which result in senseless killing way down, while not overly infringing on a citizen's right to protect themselves. I truly believe that a total ban on guns will only drive more people to gain them through illegal means, while leaving law abiding citizens defenseless.


I agree here. I believe both extremes, the side that wants noone with guns and the side that believes everyone should have them, to be illogical.

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Thu 02/15/18 03:20 PM





If they refuse to go after the manufacturers, perhaps they should permit liability upon the retailers if they do not do adamant background and health searches before selling these things.

Hit pocketbooks, and people start acting on things and stop just talking about them and sending 'prayers'.
all that means nothing when our government hands over weapons that were confiscated and slated for destruction to cartel gang Members... All rules and regulations are meaningless then...


actually, when it comes to these school shootings, the 'cartel' means nothing.

if there is a legal sale, its on the retailer, not the 'cartel'

rules and regulations will still matter, to the retailer, and their profit margins.
all we know is what the unreliable news tells us to think... Nobody here, or anyone outside the investigation, knows where he got that gun...and the government would never allow for anyone to say that someone was killed with one of those guns... And as far as your hypocrisy is concerned, you talk about how sad this is and what we could do to stop this kind of happenings, but yet you could care less that your government sold guns to criminals... How many people died from those thousands of guns? More than 14, and lots were young adults and children... How can you be sad about one and not the other?


strawman, this is about a teen going into a school and shooting up other teens. This was not a cartel member or an immigrant, so those issues have nothing to do with what is being discussed.

This teen bought the gun LEGALLY, from a retailer. Even if the gun was at some point with a cartel, the one who passed it to the TEEN was a retailer, and NOT THE CARTEL.

This is not about other people dying from guns, this is about doing something to curb the DEATHS IN SCHOOLS by people who should not have been able to so EASILY acquire the weapons.

I am sad that anyone has to die from guns, but yeah, as a parent, you bet your butt Im epecially incensed when KIDS cant simply attend SCHOOL Without fear of being gunned down.
over 100,000 people, including kids, were gunned down since holder sold those guns...think about that, hypocrite... you want ways to stop the killings, here's one way...

msharmony's photo
Thu 02/15/18 03:25 PM
Edited by msharmony on Thu 02/15/18 03:28 PM






If they refuse to go after the manufacturers, perhaps they should permit liability upon the retailers if they do not do adamant background and health searches before selling these things.

Hit pocketbooks, and people start acting on things and stop just talking about them and sending 'prayers'.
all that means nothing when our government hands over weapons that were confiscated and slated for destruction to cartel gang Members... All rules and regulations are meaningless then...


actually, when it comes to these school shootings, the 'cartel' means nothing.

if there is a legal sale, its on the retailer, not the 'cartel'

rules and regulations will still matter, to the retailer, and their profit margins.
all we know is what the unreliable news tells us to think... Nobody here, or anyone outside the investigation, knows where he got that gun...and the government would never allow for anyone to say that someone was killed with one of those guns... And as far as your hypocrisy is concerned, you talk about how sad this is and what we could do to stop this kind of happenings, but yet you could care less that your government sold guns to criminals... How many people died from those thousands of guns? More than 14, and lots were young adults and children... How can you be sad about one and not the other?


strawman, this is about a teen going into a school and shooting up other teens. This was not a cartel member or an immigrant, so those issues have nothing to do with what is being discussed.

This teen bought the gun LEGALLY, from a retailer. Even if the gun was at some point with a cartel, the one who passed it to the TEEN was a retailer, and NOT THE CARTEL.

This is not about other people dying from guns, this is about doing something to curb the DEATHS IN SCHOOLS by people who should not have been able to so EASILY acquire the weapons.

I am sad that anyone has to die from guns, but yeah, as a parent, you bet your butt Im epecially incensed when KIDS cant simply attend SCHOOL Without fear of being gunned down.
over 100,000 people, including kids, were gunned down since holder sold those guns...think about that, hypocrite... you want ways to stop the killings, here's one way...


and still, in THIS DISCUSSION on US school shootings, noone is providing a link between holders 'guns' and the ones used. And even if they did, all that matters is that the kid got the gun and who THEY got it from. the sel of a gun, whether it was an illegal or legal gun, LEGALLY becomes the responsibility of the purchaser and retail on that LEGALLY binding purchase.

so, yeah, perhaps guns from several years ago in PHOENIX Arizona can be blamed for american kids gunning down others in school, but it doesnt negate that without someone SELLING these guns to these kids DIRECTLY and for profit, they would not have been using them for their crime



but keep trying to scapegoat others and make it political as that has worked so well for the families of these kids who did nothing but attend school and get gunned down for it.

Godsfriend10's photo
Thu 02/15/18 04:19 PM


It's a horrifying tragedy every time this happens, whether mental illness is involved or not.

My own family has lost an innocent to senseless gun violence. Because of our own tragedy, I've been having more gun law discussions than I care to think of. But it's a necessary subject.

My standard answer to what should be done to control senseless gun violence in my own town of Kansas City, is to look to New York City.

New York City, from a population of over 8.5 million, reported only 290 homicides for the year in December of 2017.

Kansas City, with a population under 1/2 million, reported 149 homicides in 2017.

I don't know the statistics in Parkland, Florida, but it for my own town of Kansas City, I say we need more of whatever New York City has got.



The only solution is to barn the law of buying gun. It can only be used by the police, militry and security guide. Why should a baby carry gun?

Ha Sis...no let them hear you talk am again.Yanki like gun

yellowrose10's photo
Thu 02/15/18 04:33 PM
Even with stricter gun laws (or destroying every gun in the world) criminals will always find a way. Knife, bomb, vehicle, baseball bat, etc.

Criminals can get guns illegally too. That doesn't protect law abiding citizens that use it to hunt or defense

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Thu 02/15/18 04:56 PM

Even with stricter gun laws (or destroying every gun in the world) criminals will always find a way. Knife, bomb, vehicle, baseball bat, etc.

Criminals can get guns illegally too. That doesn't protect law abiding citizens that use it to hunt or defense


this is true of any law really, but never negates the need for having them to decrease the mayhem and chaos of lawlessness all around. Laws make it easier to hold others accountable for breaking them. Without laws there to be broken, accountability becomes moot in the eyes of the law.

laws have never been expected to eliminate all crime, just to make it less easy to commit and more easy to prosecute.